why do those threads pop up then so often? don't you think thats because people have an issue with the current system?

you explain nothing...[snipped rubbish]

at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few, at some point you will get that, however I'm pretty sure as well, with your attitude, you will not be the one coming up with that groundbreaking idea

Considering the fact that you can obviously argue well and don't appear to be completely stupid I think I'll call you out as a troll.

+10 for trolling

-1000 for your truly stupid idea.

No further explanation is needed. You've had all of it sufficiently explained to you. You either refuse to listen to the explanation claiming that no one has explained anything or you genuinely don't understand. Your lack of comprehension doesn't mean there aren't good reasons and explanations. It means you don't understand them or if you're intentionally ignoring the explanations you've been provided with it proves you're a troll and should be ignored. Either way, you won't get what you want because CCP aren't really really stupid which is what would be required for them to listen to you on this.


That's where you're dead wrong. These threads will keep coming, sure. CCP won't do anything about it as this skill progression concept was designed by them, has been working fine for 10 years and has the massive majority of players behind it as the concepts required to understand why it's necessary really aren't that difficult to comprehend.

You seem to think that your idea would benefit the majority and in that you're wrong too. In fact, I haven't read anything in any of the threads you've posted in where you're right about anything. This also lends itself to the theory that either you're a troll or you lack understanding and that's putting it mildy.

Considering the fact that you can obviously argue well and don't appear to be completely stupid I think I'll call you out as a troll.

+10 for trolling

-1000 for your truly stupid idea.

however CCP will have to do it someday, either like mentioned 1-3 month of SP plexable a year, or dual skill training or whatever, the system like there is now, holds people back for too long who want to move in faster, 10 years ago it was fine because all started at the same level, but as the game gets older this is becoming a bigger issue

It's not an issue because of character trading.

The fact it takes time to train skills is the whole point of having skills with different benefits, levels and training time multipliers.

Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything

And there we have it. it's no longer "What I think is best for everyone." It's finally "It's what I want!" So glad he's admitted this.

lol, It was like pulling teeth

like I did say, its just another transaction added, I do not want to trade characters, I want to purchase the skill time directly

as explained this would be fair for old and new players alike, nothing to worry about...

..... this skill progression concept was designed by them, has been working fine for 10 years and has the massive majority of players behind it.

You can purchase the time directly in the form of second character training. What you want is a time warp that makes your character as skilled as a 5+ year old character. That's paying to win. Remember when CCP tried the pay to win thing before? It didn't turn out so well.

Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.

Given the bazaar system you yourself decided to add to your argument how can you justify the stance that inclusion of a game mechanic almost identical in outcome is going to 'screw up the system"?

This is how it is done in eve..... [ 5 steps of game mechanics we all know removed as it amounts to nothing more than an veiled insult to the OP]

[second insult in your post also removed]

[third insult removed]

As for CCP, they should not have this feature, as it would undermine the character Bazar and undervalue the effort people have put to train their character.

The time to learn those skills which exist on a purchased character has been spent the same way everyone elses has... over time. Not via some spend money get instant millions of SP.

You'll note that I made a second post that explained why.

In short, it's a great deal less effort for someone to spew out a terrible idea than it is to comprehensively explain why it's terrible. Rather than spend hours rehashing exactly the same arguments, it's much more efficient to say "No way, and look at similar threads posted previously on the same topic to see why I'm saying No way".

That's all the response this dreadful proposal deserves.

You missed the point. Its no harder to train into most specialized ship roles than it was 10 years ago. Its easier now in most cases than it was in the past. There are a few exceptions (black ops, cap ships) but generally theres no need to worry about being 10 years behind because youre not unless you want to be good at everything.

Just like you cant expect to play WoW and be max level max geared in all classes / races quickly you cant expect that in EvE either.

Yes, someone skilled up that bazaar pilot but for the buyer the 'spend money get instant millions of SP' option is exactly what it amounts to in the end.

Yes, someone skilled up that bazaar pilot but for the buyer the 'spend money get instant millions of SP' option is exactly what it amounts to in the end.

I have never purchased a bazaar pilot, am i not being cheated out of the 'effort' i put into my pilot be the bazaar game mechanic since someone else can just buy a 100m SP pilot thus completely invalidating the months i have spent crafting my pilot and tending to my skill queue.

buying 10yr old pilots off the bazaar is already a 'time warp' and is already fully supported by CCP, also you can buy PLEX instead of farming ISK yourself both clear examples of pay to win by your definition and both already supported by CCP.

The thing the OP wants is yet another 'pay to win' feature added to the game that although new is not a radical departure from what is already being supported in EVE.

....and finally after removing all the insults both blatant and veiled we get to the heart of your argument.

I have never purchased a bazaar pilot, am i not being cheated out of the 'effort' i put into my pilot be the bazaar game mechanic since someone else can just buy a 100m SP pilot thus completely invalidating the months i have spent crafting my pilot and tending to my skill queue.

You support the bazaar while arguing against the very thing the bazaar does, namely allowing someone on day one of the game to buy a high SP pilot and make my months of skill queue tending a total joke.

I support the OPs suggestion simply because EVE has already sold out on this point.