So what exactly isnt in Amarr?

Stuff.

So whats wrong with working out of new caldari?

Nothing. As I said above, that is the correct workaround to the Jita capacity problem. The stuff about going to a different hub is not.

Given that you can do just about everything you can do in jita from one of the other hubs I would say that it is a perfectly good workaround.

a) volume - if I remember correctly, the Amarr market has only about 15% of the volume of the Jita market. The volume in Jita is more than double the other market hubs combined and changes in Jita cause changes in the other hubs.

The more people that go there, the quicker this will change.

Basically, the Jita situation is player caused, we decided that Jita 4-4 CNAP is the market hub, and it's become so successful that it's overloaded.

There's nothing much that can be done about it, it's already running on the best hardware they've got, and unfortunately the only solution is to move your stuff and sell it elsewhere.

Any system that handles as much server load traffic as Jita will have the same problem. There is no perfect solution, just keep spamming the buttons to either jump into system, or let you log in.

Yeah - except as I just explained, that's not true at all. Feel free to keep repeating it if it makes you feel better though.

Edit - This thread is great! Full of people who don't have a clue about trade and industry in eve making startlingly inaccurate assertions. It's just like the nullsec threads full of clueless highsec players except in this case it seems to be largely nullsec players talking from a position of profound ignorance.

It's a chicken and egg situation, though. Why would anyone go there until it changes? They would be shooting themselves in the foot. Apart from the minor inconvenience of player loads in Jita there is really no economic motivation for a Jita trader to move elsewhere and expecting people to make unmotivated changes is wishful thinking.

I know right?

Its like, just because one or two items may not be sold in great numbers in Amarr it must mean that everything else sucks and you wont ever get anything done! Everyone should just dogpile jita because thats the only place you will find rare things like minerals and mods to put on your ship.

The solution is buy orders.

Place them and they will come.

No-one said that everything in Amarr sucks. I quite clearly said that it is ideal for certain types of traders. But the absence of significant amounts of moon products is not trivial. It is not just a case of one or two items being missing from Amarr; rather it means that you simply cannot base yourself in Amarr if you want to be a significant player in large sectors of the economy. At the most fundamental level, if you want to trade large volumes of commodities Jita is the only place you can do it. But there are then knock on effects from this: because the moon minerals are there, anyone who wants to do T2 reactions but doesn't have their own supply has to buy these mats in Jita. And since they buy their mats there they will also, naturally, sell their finished product there for the sake of efficiency. And because the bulk of reactions and T2 comps are in Jita people will tend to build T2 in the proximity of Jita and place their built ships and equipment on the market there. So anyone who wants to trade in high volumes of any of these items needs to be in Jita to do so. This is also where most of the stuff sold in Amarr comes from, so the trader who wants to ship large quantities out to the regions also, by definition, has to operate from Jita and not in one of the regional hubs.

This is just one of many examples. Amarr simply isn't a substitute for Jita and nor is any other regional hub because they are not the home for many types of economic activities.

I'll leave you to figure the rest out. I'm pretty sure I'm already being trolled on this because I find it hard to believe that anyone who persists in stating their opinion could be quite that ignorant about the topic they are talking about. But just in case you genuinely need your hand held as you dip your toe in the basics of the game economy why don't you log in to some of the ingame trade chat channels and provide yourself with an education.

Or they can set up buy orders over several systems outside of Jita (like say amarr), build the stuff and ship it out to markets such as B-D, faction warfare hubs, near big staging systems and make more isk than just sticking to jita.

And yet, strangely, people who make their living in the game through trade and industry generally don't do this. I'll leave you to figure out why.

Lazy.

Please enlighten us on which trade skills and it's minimum level to train to that an transport physical goods to and from a station without ever setting foot in it..

I think a few of the contract freight services would like to get in on this sooper seekrit skill.

Please stay on topic, which is not transporting physical goods to and from a station. For your convenience, since you cannot seem to be bothered to read the OP, I'll quote it for you:

"every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita..."

The issue is station trading. The solution to OP's problem is to move over a system and use his trading skills. Are you enlightened now?

trade skills allow you to perform EXACTLY the same actions as if you were in system when it comes to buying and selling goods.The ONLY reason I can think of for wanting to be in the actual system for trading is access to the local channel of that system

No.

Make a isk fee to enter overcrowded systems.

No.

Make a isk fee to enter overcrowded systems.

Make it into a toll road. We need another large trade hub.