hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

According to the Devs. It isn't the station trading bots that are the issue in Jita. Apparently it is the ship traffic, not local or the markets that create the problems. So you can't blame the problem on the bots.

I may need to make a move into another trade hub myself, it would just be a huge hassle.

yes busines from new caldari is possible, but it is just a compromise, not the solution i think.
But is the solution to do nothing and jita is blocked very day during prime for the next years????

change the trading hub is not the solution, because jita is unique and i have items there for 40 billions. jita trading is not the same as trading in an other hub. when i see every evening hundreds of ships waiting on a stargate and there are some gates to jita, so that means lots of players are waiting, maybe logging off and are frustrated... - i usually change my orders once and log off and don-¦t waste my time with waiting...

it-¦s just a compromise...

yes busines from new caldari is possible, but it is just a compromise, not the solution i think.
But is the solution to do nothing and jita is blocked very day during prime for the next years????

change the trading hub is not the solution, because jita is unique and i have items there for 40 billions. jita trading is not the same as trading in an other hub. when i see every evening hundreds of ships waiting on a stargate and there are some gates to jita, so that means lots of players are waiting, maybe logging off and are frustrated... - i usually change my orders once and log off and don-¦t waste my time with waiting...

hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same -

hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

No.

Go to another trade hub.

hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

No.

Go to another trade hub.

, they also could add a shuttle service so you can move your character to jita without going there with your own ship

Solution: nerf Europe.

amidoingitrite?

..... trade skills allow you to perform EXACTLY the same actions as if you were in system when it comes to buying and selling goods. The ONLY reason I can think of for wanting to be in the actual system for trading is access to the local channel of that system

Please enlighten us on which trade skills and it's minimum level to train to that an transport physical goods to and from a station without ever setting foot in it..

You don't need to transport anything to buy and sell goods (and make good money from it).

you do not have a single useful comment in all your replys, just vacuum up there right?

Again..

Please enlighten us as to how I can sit in say, New Caldari and do a remote buy of something in Jita (because it was the best price for several jumps around or the only place available for said rare-ish object at the time I am buying it) and get it out of Jita remotely via a skill.

Many of us are sick of the scammbotters and ARE willing to fight to get rid of them

Always the option of players creating a new trade hub anywhere of choice... you just gotta bring the ppl there.

Moar hardware.....that's the best plan.

I'm setting up a mirror Jita in cloud ring. Everyone is welcome to join me.

The biggest problem I see with Jita is the people who post "solutions" to problems that doesn't exist outside their wild imagination.

hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

hi

every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita...

f.e. if too many peolple fighting in a system - there is time dilation - but for traders, they are locked out. Sure I can make orders from an other system, but is it not the same - it-¦s just a compromise...

My suggestion: if jita is full, create a jita mirror system with new lokal - so people can jump in. All orders, buys and sells, items, ships, trade goods etc. are effective in both systems. If people in jita are decreasing, with a 15min waring, the jita mirror is closed and the player will appear in jita warping to their position or sitting on station...

The mirror you are looking for is in a system call Amarr, 8 or 9 jumps away.

jita mirror has his own lokal, so you can not see people from jita - but only the items and orders appear in both systems...

Let me get this right - you think that serious lag and the inability to jump into a system because it is overloaded are not real problems? I don't really know what to say to that other than please try not to contribute any further. OP's solution is a bad one but denying that there is any problem is just bizarre.

Whats wrong with the hundreds of other systems in high sec?

They are fine if you want to do something other than the specific types of trading that you can only do in Jita. But if you want to play those particular games (e.g. high volume swing trading on raw materials or fighting 0.01 wars for significant market segments) you just can't do them elsewhere. If you want to be a trader then you go to where the appropriate market is. You can't just head off somewhere else and expect the market to come to you. It's the same with fleet fights - they take place at specific locations and if you want to take part you have to be where the fight is. You can't just go to another system of your choosing and still expect to be involved.

They are fine if you want to do something other than the specific types of trading that you can only do in Jita. But if you want to play those particular games (e.g. high volume swing trading on raw materials or fighting 0.01 wars for significant market segments) you just can't do them elsewhere. If you want to be a trader then you go to where the appropriate market is. You can't just head off somewhere else and expect the market to come to you. It's the same with fleet fights - they take place at specific locations and if you want to take part you have to be where the fight is. You can't just go to another system of your choosing and still expect to be involved.

Yes you can play those games elsewhere. On Amarr. Just move your bloody trit 6 or w/e jumps away from Jita. Shockingly, you can do something on your own in this game, you don't have to rely on GMs/Devs.

Or you can moan 23/7 and demand WoW in EVE. Boooo, I can't do anything, Devs pls feed me.

So what exactly isnt in Amarr?

Stuff.

So whats wrong with working out of new caldari?

Nothing. As I said above, that is the correct workaround to the Jita capacity problem. The stuff about going to a different hub is not.

Given that you can do just about everything you can do in jita from one of the other hubs I would say that it is a perfectly good workaround.

a) volume - if I remember correctly, the Amarr market has only about 15% of the volume of the Jita market. The volume in Jita is more than double the other market hubs combined and changes in Jita cause changes in the other hubs.

The more people that go there, the quicker this will change.

Basically, the Jita situation is player caused, we decided that Jita 4-4 CNAP is the market hub, and it's become so successful that it's overloaded.

There's nothing much that can be done about it, it's already running on the best hardware they've got, and unfortunately the only solution is to move your stuff and sell it elsewhere.

Any system that handles as much server load traffic as Jita will have the same problem. There is no perfect solution, just keep spamming the buttons to either jump into system, or let you log in.

Yeah - except as I just explained, that's not true at all. Feel free to keep repeating it if it makes you feel better though.

Edit - This thread is great! Full of people who don't have a clue about trade and industry in eve making startlingly inaccurate assertions. It's just like the nullsec threads full of clueless highsec players except in this case it seems to be largely nullsec players talking from a position of profound ignorance.

It's a chicken and egg situation, though. Why would anyone go there until it changes? They would be shooting themselves in the foot. Apart from the minor inconvenience of player loads in Jita there is really no economic motivation for a Jita trader to move elsewhere and expecting people to make unmotivated changes is wishful thinking.

I know right?

Its like, just because one or two items may not be sold in great numbers in Amarr it must mean that everything else sucks and you wont ever get anything done! Everyone should just dogpile jita because thats the only place you will find rare things like minerals and mods to put on your ship.

The solution is buy orders.

Place them and they will come.

No-one said that everything in Amarr sucks. I quite clearly said that it is ideal for certain types of traders. But the absence of significant amounts of moon products is not trivial. It is not just a case of one or two items being missing from Amarr; rather it means that you simply cannot base yourself in Amarr if you want to be a significant player in large sectors of the economy. At the most fundamental level, if you want to trade large volumes of commodities Jita is the only place you can do it. But there are then knock on effects from this: because the moon minerals are there, anyone who wants to do T2 reactions but doesn't have their own supply has to buy these mats in Jita. And since they buy their mats there they will also, naturally, sell their finished product there for the sake of efficiency. And because the bulk of reactions and T2 comps are in Jita people will tend to build T2 in the proximity of Jita and place their built ships and equipment on the market there. So anyone who wants to trade in high volumes of any of these items needs to be in Jita to do so. This is also where most of the stuff sold in Amarr comes from, so the trader who wants to ship large quantities out to the regions also, by definition, has to operate from Jita and not in one of the regional hubs.

This is just one of many examples. Amarr simply isn't a substitute for Jita and nor is any other regional hub because they are not the home for many types of economic activities.

I'll leave you to figure the rest out. I'm pretty sure I'm already being trolled on this because I find it hard to believe that anyone who persists in stating their opinion could be quite that ignorant about the topic they are talking about. But just in case you genuinely need your hand held as you dip your toe in the basics of the game economy why don't you log in to some of the ingame trade chat channels and provide yourself with an education.

Or they can set up buy orders over several systems outside of Jita (like say amarr), build the stuff and ship it out to markets such as B-D, faction warfare hubs, near big staging systems and make more isk than just sticking to jita.

And yet, strangely, people who make their living in the game through trade and industry generally don't do this. I'll leave you to figure out why.

Lazy.

Please enlighten us on which trade skills and it's minimum level to train to that an transport physical goods to and from a station without ever setting foot in it..

I think a few of the contract freight services would like to get in on this sooper seekrit skill.

Please stay on topic, which is not transporting physical goods to and from a station. For your convenience, since you cannot seem to be bothered to read the OP, I'll quote it for you:

"every day it-¦s frustrating - because I can not log in in jita. I-¦m a trader - it is my life to sit in jita..."

The issue is station trading. The solution to OP's problem is to move over a system and use his trading skills. Are you enlightened now?

trade skills allow you to perform EXACTLY the same actions as if you were in system when it comes to buying and selling goods.The ONLY reason I can think of for wanting to be in the actual system for trading is access to the local channel of that system

No.

Make a isk fee to enter overcrowded systems.

No.

Make a isk fee to enter overcrowded systems.

Make it into a toll road. We need another large trade hub.

IF it is possible to place solarsystem orders in jita from new caldari AND ranged orders based on jita - than an only than its the same and this could be a solution for traders, if they can not log in jita.[/u]

Basically, the Jita situation is player caused, we decided that Jita 4-4 CNAP is the market hub, and it's become so successful that it's overloaded.

There's nothing much that can be done about it, it's already running on the best hardware they've got, and unfortunately the only solution is to move your stuff and sell it elsewhere.

Any system that handles as much server load traffic as Jita will have the same problem. There is no perfect solution, just keep spamming the buttons to either jump into system, or let you log in.

I read "toll" as Troll.

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