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Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:42:00 -
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The Problem: Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.
A little of everything? Yep, The list includes: Mining Laser Combat Laser Missile Launcher Probe Launcher Shield Extenders Small armor Repairer Salvage Drones
So what to do about it?
#1 The content is far too severe for these type of ships to be competitive. This leads us to two paths: Fix the ships Fix the Content
#2 The competition is fairly extreme as advanced players with skill points in excess of 25 to 30 million SP are competing for the exact same resources. This leads us to two paths: Increase the density of content Create more low-security systems.
#3 Entering low-sec is very difficult This leads us to two paths Increase the Size of Low-sec gates so they are not as easily camped Create a Jump timer where folks changing "sec" get a 30 second invulnerability timer to warp off, making camping inter-sec gates profitless.
Flame Retardant: #1 I realize that some of the problems are related to "lack of knowledge" and that is partially responsible for bad fits.
#2 I am aware this is supposed to be a multi-player game, but when there is not enough content to go around it gets boring.
#3 I am not trying to kill pirates as a profession there are lots of gates that connect low to low, null to null that can be camped effectively. As a matter of fact if the transition gates were protected you'd have lots more people in the low-sec systems to kill.
The Sendoff: Thanks for reading, I hope we can get some constructive comments that will improve low-security space for new players as well as our valued veterans. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4701
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:48:00 -
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Low sec is too hostile towards new players......
If only there were a area of space for new players with higher security...maybe like a "high-sec". Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:53:00 -
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As a new player myself, I personally have not yet ventured into anthing <0.4
For a few reasons. I am both too busy playing the SkillQueue minigame, and when I do get the time to actually play (which isn't very often) I realize that building combat skills/technique and ISK in PVE missions is the best place to start.
I don't plan on entering much of losec or null until I am comfortable with losing 3-4mil ISK with each jump.
I am probably not representative of the majority of new pilots but i feel it is the best route for me.
TL;DR: I think the current level of risk provides a comfortable degree of caution; if players ignore it, at least they'll never forget it. Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2628
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:53:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote: Low-Security Space is VERY hostile towards new players.
Water is wet, and the Sun will rise Rick Romero.
Also: --> Features & Ideas Discussion
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
551
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:53:00 -
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Eve: A hostile universe. Says so on the packaging.
Also, Ingame content is unrated.
Rated Mature, but more like Manure I agree but hey, welcome to pubbies. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:54:00 -
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High sec, low sec and null are all hostile. Eve is a game that revolves around hostility. That is the whole point (pretty much). I try to avoid it as much as possible, and when it happens, just... meh. Usual rules apply: don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it and assume you *are* eventually going to lose it. |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:59:00 -
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Join Brave Newbies and have fun. |

Marmaduke Hatplate
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:16:00 -
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New player here. Love the idea of making transition gates between sectors less easy to gatecamp, and also would love there to be more lo and nullsec systems. Like another 2000 would be awesome. Exploring the wilderness is cool. Getting discovered deep beyond frontier territory and blown up is fine. Getting ganked one sustem into lolsec is boring.
About the comparitive poor quality of noob ships and skills, though, I think things are ok as they are. Back in the wild west, some fresh-faced dingus off the stagecoach in dodge city wouldn't be a match for the outlaws, would he? "Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2925
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:22:00 -
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"Low-Security Space is VERY hostile towards new players."
So.
Be hostile back.
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Baren
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
19
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:31:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:The Problem:
#1 The content is far too severe for these type of ships to be competitive. This leads us to two paths: Fix the ships Fix the Content
#2 The competition is fairly extreme as advanced players with skill points in excess of 25 to 30 million SP are competing for the exact same resources. This leads us to two paths: Increase the density of content Create more low-security systems.
#3 Entering low-sec is very difficult This leads us to two paths Increase the Size of Low-sec gates so they are not as easily camped Create a Jump timer where folks changing "sec" get a 30 second invulnerability timer to warp off, making camping inter-sec gates profitless.
Flame Retardant: #1 I realize that some of the problems are related to "lack of knowledge" and that is partially responsible for bad fits.
#2 I am aware this is supposed to be a multi-player game, but when there is not enough content to go around it gets boring.
#3 I am not trying to kill pirates as a profession there are lots of gates that connect low to low, null to null that can be camped effectively. As a matter of fact if the transition gates were protected you'd have lots more people in the low-sec systems to kill.
1) lol did this guy just say ADVANCED PLAYERS WITH SKILL POINTS IN EXESS OF 25 - 30 MIL BAHAHAHAHA
Its funny cause this guy thinks when he reaches 25mil sp that he will be an advanced player above the rest.....
2) STEALTH NERF LOW-SEC THREAD?..............
2) FOR YOUR THIRD COMMENT SIR, WHY NOT JUST HAVE CCP DISCONNECT LOW AND NULL FROM HIGH SEC ALL TOGETHER.....THEN ALL THOSE EVIL PVPERS WILL BE GONE FOREVER LOL |

Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:36:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:The Problem: Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.
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A lot of those are probably because they've taken a mission that takes them into low-sec which could be avoided if they check via autopilot where the mission is before accepting it.
Also another mistake some new players make is buying goods in low-sec, which can easily be avoided by being more careful, you can also check where the goods are by setting the autopilot. You can change the settings on the market but autopilot will give you a better idea as you can see all security system ratings leading to the item. |

Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics CODE.
17
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:36:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:The Problem: Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.
Oh please, do tell exactly why a Noob, who has contributed virtually nothing to EVE Online, is a more valuable player than me.
I'm dying to hear it. |

Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
572
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:38:00 -
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Players who fly ships with "a little bit of everything" need to be put of of their misery for the dignity of the ship they are attempting to fly. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:39:00 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote:Skill Training Online wrote:The Problem: Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.
Oh please, do tell exactly why a Noob, who has contributed virtually nothing to EVE Online, is a more valuable player than me. I'm dying to hear it.
I can't believe someone like you, Galaxy Chicken, who spends all his time mincing around HIGH SEC ganking miners, is posting in a thread about noob problems in low sec. Worse, criticising someone else for "contributing nothing". What have you contributed with your little Catalyst fleet?
Nothing. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
278
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:40:00 -
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Low sec is supposed to be hostile.
Its fair game PvP for the most part I mean really, with just an AB rifter you can gate crash out of most camps. You just have to learn how to do it. I was running around low sec with like 8mil SP and living 7 jumps out of high-sec by 15, this was back when I was doing my PvP in interceptors because they were basically the only thing I had the skills for.
Even at 25mil, you aren't flying battle cruisers right unless you are single race, and if you notice a lot of pirates are on relatively old toons.
So embrace the multi-player. |

Baren
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
19
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:46:00 -
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OP WHY NOT JUST HAVE CCP DISCONNECT THE GATES TO LOW AND NULL SEC FROM HIGH SEC ALL TOGETHER.....LOL |

Denidil
Turalyon Plus
597
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:49:00 -
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Wait till OP finds out i have nearly 80m SP on this char, 65m on another, and 25m on yet another!
Hey OP - Lowsec is hostile, bring friends.
PS: expanding lowsec won't solve that either - the border systems highsec:lowsec and highsec:nullsec will ALWAYS be camped. Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |

C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
165
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:51:00 -
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So the security is low in low security systems. Who would have thought? |

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
444
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:57:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:Low-Security Space is VERY hostile towards Solo players
Fixed that for you.
It's not much better anywhere else for the record.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |

Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics CODE.
17
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:58:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Galaxy Chicken wrote:Skill Training Online wrote:The Problem: Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.
Oh please, do tell exactly why a Noob, who has contributed virtually nothing to EVE Online, is a more valuable player than me. I'm dying to hear it. I can't believe someone like you, Galaxy Chicken, who spends all his time mincing around HIGH SEC ganking miners, is posting in a thread about noob problems in low sec. Worse, criticising someone else for "contributing nothing". What have you contributed with your little Catalyst fleet? Nothing.
Greetings citizen, Though I'm glad I could make your day, I feel I must clarify. I in no way criticized new players, I just stated a fact. They're new. How could they possibly have contributed much at all to the game if they've only recently started playing? They don't even know if they're going to stay. Also, what exactly makes them more valuable than a 2007 player like myself?
Go with the Code. www.minerbumping.com |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
153
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:If only there were a area of space for new players with higher security...maybe like a "high-sec".
...Which has so many gaps in its "security" net that it would be like putting disneyland in downtown detroit with no ticket requirements and no fences. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:01:00 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote:Greetings citizen, Though I'm glad I could make your day, I feel I must clarify. I in no way criticized new players, I just stated a fact. They're new. How could they possibly have contributed much at all to the game if they've only recently started playing? They don't even know if they're going to stay. Also, what exactly makes them more valuable than a 2007 player like myself? Go with the Code. www.minerbumping.com
They're valuable because a poor new experience will put someone off for life, and they won't come back. They'll just say, "oh Eve, yea, that sucks". Eve needs new subs to maintain its user base as older players wither and die. And you don't help with that by capping miners in high sec. |

Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
165
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:04:00 -
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Tixam Quri wrote:As a new player myself, I personally have not yet ventured into anthing <0.4
For a few reasons. I am both too busy playing the SkillQueue minigame, and when I do get the time to actually play (which isn't very often) I realize that building combat skills/technique and ISK in PVE missions is the best place to start.
I don't plan on entering much of losec or null until I am comfortable with losing 3-4mil ISK with each jump. Learn to love losing your stuff because the game is a lot more fun when you take risks and chances than when you sit in hisec running missions and mining all day.
Will Fountain be Goonswarm's Waterloo?Read all about it in COAD. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2926
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:05:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Players who fly ships with "a little bit of everything" need to be put of of their misery for the dignity of the ship they are attempting to fly.
EDIT: OP is a troll, still, my point is still valid.
Well before exploration and before that free exploration ship an all around exploration fitting was "a little bit of everything".
But if you refer to a Cyclone I had in 2008 that had small lazors and small AC mixed in with everything else and omnitanked, yeah, looking back it needed to be put out of it's misery.
Thankfully because of the C&P forum, I am more afraid of a bad fitting being published than actually being ganked. The real grief of being greifed is more akin to getting pantsed in public and everybody sees you have pink boxers with little hearts on it or something.
Even now that putting just anything in that unused Drake high slot makes me nervous. Wish there was a strobe light module for playing disco I think nobody would laugh at that. Would they?
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Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics CODE.
17
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:15:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Galaxy Chicken wrote:Greetings citizen, Though I'm glad I could make your day, I feel I must clarify. I in no way criticized new players, I just stated a fact. They're new. How could they possibly have contributed much at all to the game if they've only recently started playing? They don't even know if they're going to stay. Also, what exactly makes them more valuable than a 2007 player like myself? Go with the Code. www.minerbumping.com They're valuable because a poor new experience will put someone off for life, and they won't come back. They'll just say, "oh Eve, yea, that sucks". Eve needs new subs to maintain its user base as older players wither and die. And you don't help with that by capping miners in high sec.
Well I could argue that the NO attracts players as well, and that they're of higher quality than AFK ice miners, but I think that's for a different discussion.
Anyway, you've made a great case for why new players are valuable, which I agree with, but I asked what makes them MORE valuable than veterans. Still waiting to hear this gem. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1219
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:26:00 -
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I'm pretty sure lowsec is hostile to all players....just like null, w-space, and hisec. So, not like they're being singled out.
I killed a 4d old toon in my wormhole the other day......and podded him. But so did I for a proteus with a 6yo pilot. I don't discriminate. Though, I do generally chat up the noobs afterwards, pick them up, brush them off, give them some isk, talk with them about the experience, give some advice and send them on their way. Always, I'll let them know they can chat me up anytime to ask questions about the game.
It's not personal. But when they tell you that you took their virginity podding them....why would I not want to continue to do so. :) I dare say they get to cuddle after the experience since most other players will just roll over and look for their next kill. HTFU!...for the children! |

Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:26:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Tixam Quri wrote:As a new player myself, I personally have not yet ventured into anthing <0.4
For a few reasons. I am both too busy playing the SkillQueue minigame, and when I do get the time to actually play (which isn't very often) I realize that building combat skills/technique and ISK in PVE missions is the best place to start.
I don't plan on entering much of losec or null until I am comfortable with losing 3-4mil ISK with each jump. Learn to love losing your stuff because the game is a lot more fun when you take risks and chances than when you sit in hisec running missions and mining all day.
I plan on doing that asap. I'm looking forward to it.
However, I'm farming SP while not able to play much at present which leaves me too poor to start tossing rifters just yet.
Cheers Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
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destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:30:00 -
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most new players, also have the comon sense to not go into low security space until their ready, even if they dont have that comon sense they still should. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:39:00 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote: Well I could argue that the NO attracts players as well, and that they're of higher quality than AFK ice miners, but I think that's for a different discussion.
You don't gank AFK ice miners. You gank active miners at anoms and in belts. I witnessed 3 of your toons do it in a system this afternoon.
I dare say you have ganked some AFK ice miners in the past and well done you, but otherwise stop with the BS.
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Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
58
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:44:00 -
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As a new player I find that trying to compete with alliances or corps just isn't worth my time, even if I manage to kill someones rifter, the time I spent traveling & fighting in lowsec didn't net me enough profit to pay for my ammo. New players are much better off focusing on mining barge skills, and making enough isk to purchase a character that isn't significantly disadvantaged in EvE. https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
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