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Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2733	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:04:00 - [31] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. How many is a "decent percentage" exactly? Please show your work. I suppose you also believe PLEX are free, and that CCP does not receive any money for them. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
De'Veldrin Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1684	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:07:00 - [32] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. Oh? Plex are free now? I better go cash in. Dumbass. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:10:00 - [33] - Quote @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 556	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:11:00 - [34] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:11:00 - [35] - Quote @De'Veldrin "Dumbass" "Umadbrah"
Kyt Thrace Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 206	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:12:00 - [36] - Quote OP, I will try to explain this to you so you can understand. I have a few accounts, let's say three. This would cost me $45/month ($15/month per account). Instead of paying $45/month, I buy 3 PLEXes from the Eve market with isk & apply that to accounts for 30 days on each account. I make this isk doing multiple things & really isn't that hard to make each month. Am I playing Eve Online for free? NO, I am not. Why, Someone else playing Eve Online wants to have instant isk, so they pay Real Money to CCP for a PLEX. ( I thiink you can buy 2 Plexes for $35, not sure been years since I bought a PLEX) This person goes & sells this PLEX on the Eve market for isk. I buy this PLEX from this person & use it to get me another 30 days of game time. So, Someone that paid Real Money for that PLEX from CCP just paid for my monthly fee. I do what I do in Eve to make isk & now that person who sold me the isk for the PLEX doesn't have to do anything. End Result, CCP actually makes an Extra $2.50/month with me buying PLEX from someone who paid Real Money for it, then if I were to pay my monthly fee of $15 I win for not having to pay real money for this game Someone selling PLEX wins for not having to figure out or wait to make isk CCP wins with PLEX because they are making more Real money with this feature. Hope this helps you out R.I.P. Vile Rat
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:12:00 - [37] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide Didn't realize this. just slightly off topic.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2733	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:12:00 - [38] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow So, you don't understand what words in English mean either? lol just wow! No, you should just go back to WoW. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
RomeStar Empire Investments Logistics 210	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:13:00 - [39] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. HTFU seriously this is eve and if you cant cut it in this game you dont deserve to play it. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Paul Panala Beyond the Shadows 56	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:14:00 - [40] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.
Eugene Spencer Appetite 4 Destruction 172	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:17:00 - [41] - Quote Lets have a look at how this would work for the Retribution expansion features, just as an example. Feature Summary: Bounty Hunting Revamp Crimewatch revamp Rebalancing ships and roles New destroyers New ORE frigate Tactical Combat Features Upgrade NPC AI Atmospheric Audio Drones, Drops and Dials. I would need to pay for the expansion, otherwise I wouldn't get the features in that expansion, yes? What features from the above list could be realistically restricted to people who have bought the expansion? New Destroyers New ORE Frigate Atmospheric Audio That's about it. Everything else is "core" stuff which couldn't possibly be released to some players and not others. Would you really pay $19.99 for those three features? I like the subscription setup CCP have right now. I like the fact that all players have access to all parts of the game from day one, without paying anything extra. It's the way a sandbox should be. Money for expansions would be utterly stupid. *I have a specific comb for my beard.*
Seven Koskanaiken Clan Steel Wolves 240	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:17:00 - [42] - Quote Enris Athonille wrote: "There is no such thing a free lunch." -Milton Friedman All accounts are either being paid monthly or 5 dollars over the monthly fee on average. The plex is player generated so nobody is actually playing for free. Out of all the subscribed accounts CCP is making money on everyone one of them and more because of the cost of plex. Who shoulders the cost though is dependent on the players, they can either use there isk towards PLEX or they can just buy time. So its a fair and balanced system. Friedman's logic applies just as well to the free to play model. No one plays for free in any game.
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:18:00 - [43] - Quote Paul Panala wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double. lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.
brinelan The Flying Dead Insidious Empire 49	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:18:00 - [44] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: quote brinelan, and how exactly would you propose to deal with people who haven't paid for the expansion? Really? ya, so if this goes in then we would start seeing messages that "sorry you cant use crimewatch until you pay us $19.99 for expansion x?" Sorry, paid expansions don't really work here, and besides if this is about f2p then you can keep it. plex is fine. The people that want to play free can without stupid restrictions like most games that tacked on free to play after the fact lke eq2 etc and those that want to pay their $15/month and keep their isk for other things can.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2736	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:19:00 - [45] - Quote Paul Panala wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double. Pay attention P3ps1 Max. This is an example of someone who understands how both language and PLEX work. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 558	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:19:00 - [46] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide Didn't realize this. just slightly off topic. That's ok I trust you will now bring it back on topic? " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit 152	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:20:00 - [47] - Quote OP is a moron.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2736	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:20:00 - [48] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Paul Panala wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double. lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected. Please explain how PLEX otherwise become available on the market. And please show your work with specific citations from CCP.. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 558	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:21:00 - [49] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected. Lol prepare to be dazzled " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
Verunae Caseti Viziam Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:21:00 - [50] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. Why do so many idiots insist on saying that people using PLEX are playing "for free?" CCP makes more money from PLEX players than they do from subscribers. Surely people realize this and just choose to ignore it so they can act like prats on the forums.
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 4	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:21:00 - [51] - Quote Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy?
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Polarized. 752	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:22:00 - [52] - Quote I stopped playing consoles because I felt I had to buy DLC to get the full experience. I already payed for eve expansions through my subscription and that should be enough for CCP. Plus, we haven't had a true expansion for a long time now, just tweaks and polish. CCP IGÇÖm board! Please add/change some wormhole content to make things interesting.-á
Kashmyta Predominant Dynamics 50	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:23:00 - [53] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia . To me Eve is setup for success using this business model. You do pay for these expansions, every single month.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 558	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:24:00 - [54] - Quote Lephia DeGrande wrote: Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy? Who? " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
Naburi NasNaburi distress signals 186	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:25:00 - [55] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Doc Fury wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: Expansions should cost $ They already do, it costs $15/mo. Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills. To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone. Who is playing for free ? Player A buys 10 PLEX from CCP for hard RL money.. then puts 10 PLEX on the ingame market for player b, c, d, e, f, g..... to buy for ISK. I dont see f2p here.
Dominous Nolen Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 16	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:29:00 - [56] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Doc Fury wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: Expansions should cost $ They already do, it costs $15/mo. Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills. To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone. Let me ask you this question, if EVE runs on a single shard then what happens to those who don't keep pace with the latest updates? Essentially if the infrastructure stayed as it is then you're locking out players who aren't keeping pace on patches because they can't or won't follow the WoW upgrade model. I already put in my $15/month plus more in plex so to me this idea won't fly.
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:30:00 - [57] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Paul Panala wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: @Doc Fury geesh, 1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play. - - - - - - - - - - You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%. lol just wow He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double. Pay attention P3ps1 Max. This is an example of someone who understands how both language and PLEX work. Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game.
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:31:00 - [58] - Quote Dominous Nolen wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: Doc Fury wrote: P3ps1 Max wrote: Expansions should cost $ They already do, it costs $15/mo. Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills. To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone. Let me ask you this question, if EVE runs on a single shard then what happens to those who don't keep pace with the latest updates? Essentially if the infrastructure stayed as it is then you're locking out players who aren't keeping pace on patches because they can't or won't follow the WoW upgrade model. I already put in my $15/month plus more in plex so to me this idea won't fly. What is up with you and the wow references.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 558	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:32:00 - [59] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game. PLEX is a primary revenue stream for CCP PLEX is the primary informer off the ingame economy The ingame economy is how your character makes Isk Is this somehow news to you? " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
Capt Gauss WhiteFang Industries 3	Posted - 2013.07.03 15:32:00 - [60] - Quote In reality, OP is the new senior executive gauging the response of the eve public on micro-transactions. Research...76% Complete

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