Expansions should cost $

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

They already do, it costs $15/mo.

Go back to back to WOW.

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

* citation needed *

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

The problem with this concept is that Eve is a single shard universe, content really can't be made optional as it can with instanced worlds.

It wouldn't work.

Why not?

Go back to your cave.

The ecology of the game is too delicate.

Is this code word for player's wallets are too delicate?

Thank you for stating the obvious.

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

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You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow

Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

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You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free.

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

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You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow

"There is no such thing a free lunch." -Milton Friedman

All accounts are either being paid monthly or 5 dollars over the monthly fee on average. The plex is player generated so nobody is actually playing for free. Out of all the subscribed accounts CCP is making money on everyone one of them and more because of the cost of plex. Who shoulders the cost though is dependent on the players, they can either use there isk towards PLEX or they can just buy time. So its a fair and balanced system.

He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.

quote brinelan, and how exactly would you propose to deal with people who haven't paid for the expansion?

Really?

He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.

Didn't realize this. just slightly off topic.

lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.

lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy?

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

Pay attention P3ps1 Max. This is an example of someone who understands how both language and PLEX work.

Let me ask you this question, if EVE runs on a single shard then what happens to those who don't keep pace with the latest updates? Essentially if the infrastructure stayed as it is then you're locking out players who aren't keeping pace on patches because they can't or won't follow the WoW upgrade model.

I already put in my $15/month plus more in plex so to me this idea won't fly.

Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game.

Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue.

Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game.

What is up with you and the wow references.

Ace, is that you?

Way to move the goalposts now that your primary argument has been destroyed.

Ace, is that you?

Attract more players.

/thread

Go back to your cave. Constructive feedback please.

lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.

Ace?

How many alts have you posted on this thread? lulz

Your a ******* a noon with a brilliant idea how to... What lose much of EVE's player base? Not to mention one of its biggest assets. The biggest reason I don't play WOW or any of its clones is because of the paid expansions. I am not paying a company 15-20 per month then have to pay for DLC or expansions. It is people like you that stupid enough to fall for that **** that gaming studios nickel and dime us to death now. Pay $60 for a half assed game then spend $60-100 more on the DLC that completes the product. If gaming companies pulled this **** in 80s gaming wouldn't have survived that decade.

Your a ******* a noon with a brilliant idea how to... What lose much of EVE's player base? Not to mention one of its biggest assets. The biggest reason I don't play WOW or any of its clones is because of the paid expansions. I am not paying a company 15-20 per month then have to pay for DLC or expansions. It is people like you that stupid enough to fall for that **** that gaming studios nickel and dime us to death now. Pay $60 for a half assed game then spend $60-100 more on the DLC that completes the product. If gaming companies pulled this **** in 80s gaming wouldn't have survived that decade.

[quote=Paul Panala][quote=P3ps1 Max]@Doc Fury
lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.

That would imply I needed alts to point out you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Try harder.

I have no clue about plex?

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

lol Geeee, thanks. I have no clue about plex? Well darn I'll read a book on it later.

You have proven to have no clue whatsoever, this is not just limited to PLEX.

Bf3 and bf4 for me

Eve is not F2P, somebody always pays.


If it comes down to paid expansions vs subscriotion it has to be one or the other NOT both.

You do realise Eve customer base is fragile due to the multi account issue, go back and read Incarna threadnaught

So... Battlefield after it was totally ruined with DLC


That explains a lot

Pick your poison

It isn't? Please broaden my horizons I'm all ears / derp all eyes.

So... Battlefield after it was totally ruined with DLC


That explains a lot

What exactly was ruined by the DLC you didn't need to buy?

You could also buy them all in a few month of eve subs and then be done and never have to pay a dime over it.

I wouldn't mind paying 5$ for every expansion if CCP gives me free gift <3

Id pay for the expansions if I got a toy spaceboat

How about the new polaris frigate?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1045098_10151692802679394_305895309_n.jpg

But to clear up one misconception. Some plex out there were NOT paid for by players. Prizes from tourneys, bonuses for recruiting new players leap to mind,

Statistically speaking that number is so small it can be considered to be 0.

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

But to clear up one misconception. Some plex out there were NOT paid for by players. Prizes from tourneys, bonuses for recruiting new players leap to mind,

Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy?

PLEX ARNT OF THIN AIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOmbody paid for sombody else so called "free" game time

That's what I was wondering. There's a trial to see if you like it and the sub price is very low. Why do these shitheels think this needs to change? What's wrong with how it works now? I'm sorry your friends don't make enough mowing lawns or their parents drink too much to afford it but them's the breaks.

What exactly was ruined by the DLC you didn't need to buy?

You could also buy them all in a few month of eve subs and then be done and never have to pay a dime over it.

What are you talking about?

Is it bad ju-ju to say things about the quality of CSM posts?


Not in relation to what you said, just asking you

Simply wondering why people think the payment model needs to change. There's options that exist that are more than sufficient.

Probably, but I have some karma I need to burn off anyway.

Go back to your cave. Constructive feedback please.

Since I'm late and the whole GǣOP doesn't understand PLEXGǥ part seems played out, I'll just say this: expansions can't cost money because everyone must have access to the same content in a single interconnected and continuous universe. They have to be mandatory for everyone, at which point you might as well roll them up in the cost of the subscriptionGǪ

GǪwhich is what they've done.

/thread

Since I'm late and the whole GǣOP doesn't understand PLEXGǥ part seems played out, I'll just say this: expansions can't cost money because everyone must have access to the same content in a single interconnected and continuous universe. They have to be mandatory for everyone, at which point you might as well roll them up in the cost of the subscriptionGǪ

GǪwhich is what they've done.

/thread

Your logic isn't welcome here.

You take your heathen logic and return to your pit demon!

I'm backlogged on my soul collection quota, so I'm going to have to stick around for a bit, I'm afraid.
Sorry.

-Awesomeness-

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

I just today noticed your signature.

It makes me all warm and gooey inside.

Not as warm and gooey as OP will be after he's dragged kicking and screaming to lowsec and dissolved in a drum of acid, but warm and gooey just the same.

Since this thread is obviously about nothing important, I propose we alter it to include human sacrifice and lesbian pod goo catfights.

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free.

You don't understand PLEX.

I'll only buy up to Dominion expansion on my SC chars and enjoy SC as they were meant to be.

Pre-nerf titans sounds good too. I'll buy those accounts up to Dominion as well.

And to make money I'll leave a bunch of button-orbiting alts in Inferno.

Shoot, I'd stop at the first one.

You don't understand PLEX.

Confirming OP is a cheap-ass who wouldn't pay for all expansions.

Because that is the concept behind paid expansions. lol

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

ahhh yes, I must have forgotten they are injected into the game only by players. I would hate for these to run out. What then?


FEED ME

Since this thread is obviously about nothing important, I propose we alter it to include human sacrifice and lesbian pod goo catfights.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

Heh, lesbians I know would help each other climb out of said pod-goo, kick you in the balls, roll you for your wallet, and stroll out of the room hand-in-hand singing Kumbayah. But who am I to judge your fantasy?

Now, human sacrifice? Low sec. See it every day.

More people to be dissolved in acid.

Now now


If you get too eager, you may kill them due to shock

before they are more than





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I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

Sorry, Ms. McCandless. I get carried away sometimes.

So, you don't understand what words in English mean either?

lol just wow!

No, you should just go back to WoW.

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year

So little content to justify being called an expansion (which introduces major content).

Other games release expansions to introduce huge amounts of new content

@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

You of course some how managed to miss the comment at 0:49(ish) "someone still has to buy that plex" but of course since it doesn't support your argument it can be safely ignored.

I sincerely believe every plex is purchased by players and injected into the game

I do sereiously

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 1 expansion each year with a set price at 19.99$ along with content updates during the year

That's because other games are about content consumption, whereas EVE is about content generation. As a side-effect, nothing other games do really have any bearing on how expansions work in EVE. For instance, Retribution was one the biggest content patches EVE has had in ages, but if you run on the incorrect assumption that GÇ£expansionGÇ¥ = GÇ£more stuffGÇ¥, then you would miss this fact.

This is why one eve expansion = many many years of expansions for those other games: because the developers of those games have to waste all that time thinking up new stuff for people to consume, rather than alter the game to provide huge amounts of new gameplay.

GǪand that is, once again, why EVE can't have paid-for expansions: because the tools and the gameplay need to be the same for everyone, so the expansions must be mandatory, so you might as well roll the cost up in the subscription.

I sincerely believe every plex is purchased by players and injected into the game

I do sereiously

Nice try at a save, Tippia, but in the end what CCP generates as content isn't worthy to buy -- not enough content to justify it.

Be it for consumption or generation it's too little to buy. It's a patch.

That's the bottom line.

Yes EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EVERY PLEX EVER IN EXISTENCE WAS BOUGHT BUY REAL MONEY BY SOMEONE.

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

No, they're not patches. Patches fix bugs, vulnerabilities, etc. The game updates/upgrades that roll around every six months are considerably more substantial than that.

Patches also releases content. In EvE they don't, but in other MMOs they do. See a patch logo here and what it's for? Icecrown Citadel wasn't a bug fix.

Tippia was arguing it's for consumption, but missed the fact it's still content.

They fix bugs and what not during down times like on Tuesdays, or if necessary with reboots. Larger fixes come in patches, along with content. Major fixes come in expansions.

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad game)

I agree with you on the whole.

What Tippa is saying as I read it, is that CCP does not add as much content as other MMOs because EVE should contain a lot of player made content. Whereas games like WoW rely on content to be added (hence consumption).

Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.

I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 1 expansion each year with a set price at 19.99$ along with content updates during the year

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month (just the initial price of the game). They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.