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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Boldyn
Originally by: Alex Krause
I feel sorry for anyone who hires you to fight in 0.0. Stick to ganking nubs in emire, k?
Hi -V- leadership person :)
You dont know V leadership that well do you? If they wanted to say something to you they would say it. No need for forum alts.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:24:00 -
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Eyeshadow, do you think the same as me? It's about time to mail the mods and have this thred locked, sadly.
* We logged 'cause we needed sleep
* People need to think before posting and maybe keep a few of the posts limited to internal forums instead of aggravating people here.
These are the two truths in this thred.
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Boldyn
Originally by: Alex Krause
I feel sorry for anyone who hires you to fight in 0.0. Stick to ganking nubs in emire, k?
Hi -V- leadership person :)
You dont know V leadership that well do you? If they wanted to say something to you they would say it. No need for forum alts.
Ah..I was hoping someone would say these things 
1. The leadership thing was ment as a joke. I don't know them well at all, neither do I care who zie altboi is.
2. I don't care what they say to us. They say what they think about us to so many other people. That's usually the way it is...
THINK....
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/12/2005 15:31:43
Originally by: Raid
Flame...
Not really, just a statement
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Yes we did pass through Curse and HLW/VOL but we werent there for you.
If you enter someone elses claimed space expect to get shot... if you leave expect to get smack talked.
I dont mind getting shot in hostile space. I never said otherwise. I never expect to get smack talked however.
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Please explain to me where we logged ONCE, let alone twice,........(we lost one or two on the way that couldnt stay on any longer)
Purhapse you answered your own question.
In what way? In the course of the night we lost about 4 people max. If thats considered logging a fleet of 22 or so ships off then someone has a strange definition of logging.
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Eyeshadow
......Oh and dont disagree with me, what i wrote here is fact
refer to your own centre of the universe remarks and apply them here. People can and will disagree with you whenever they want. If theres one flaw in anything you have written then what you have written is not a fact. Purhapse it is best not to claim your right and their wrong while expecting a reply.
I was FC. I know exactly what happened and what decisions were made cos i made them. What i wrote here is exactly what happened, and that is a fact. I can tell people not to disagree with me cos i what i wrote is the truth, and has been accepted by M. Corp. Why you are even questioning me i dont know
Btw, any chance you Tyrell guys are gonna fight with your alliance or are you just going to continue camping Doril? Or are you so scared after the battering we gave you in empire as we havent seen you since. Now THAT is a flame 
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/12/2005 15:46:07
Heavens sake.
This misunderstanding by the M.Corp member was dealt with an apologised for. Raid, next time please read the whole thread before putting your size 15's in and trying to stir stuff up. Situation has been dealt with to both parties satisfaction. 
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:47:00 -
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This thread is making Baby Jesus cry..............
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
I was FC. I know exactly what happened and what decisions were made cos i made them. What i wrote here is exactly what happened, and that is a fact. I can tell people not to disagree with me cos i what i wrote is the truth, and has been accepted by M. Corp. Why you are even questioning me i dont know
Saying no one should disagree or refute what your saying is rather egotistical and frankly a bit insulting. Thats defietly not your intention but thats how its coming off.
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Btw, any chance you Tyrell guys are gonna fight with your alliance or are you just going to continue camping Doril? Or are you so scared after the battering we gave you in empire as we havent seen you since. Now THAT is a flame
We live in Curse.. if your confused as to why.. ask Alynthir or seleene or whatever he calls himself now.
We joined V for the empire wars.. we stay in V to help friends when they need it and for better communication. They dont need too much help right now.. despite the killing thats going on its not of any significant nature. Curse needs a good cleaning however since we left many rats have spread we're just the exterminators. We'd like to clean our home before we come give your employer his money's worth.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/12/2005 15:46:07
Heavens sake.
This misunderstanding by the M.Corp member was dealt with an apologised for. Raid, next time please read the whole thread before putting your size 15's in and trying to stir stuff up. Situation has been dealt with to both parties satisfaction.
I was reply to the tone of the post thats all. I dont want to stir anything up with the M.Corp situation. I was a bit offended by the part that said "dont disagree with me"... I studied argumentation theory in university and stuff like that tends to bother me... thats all i have no intention of siring up the thread just stimulating a debate about what not to say when your trying to make a point.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
We joined V for the empire wars.. we stay in V to help friends when they need it and for better communication. They dont need too much help right now.. despite the killing thats going on its not of any significant nature.
I could proclaim otherwise but im not gonna drag this thread through a "we pwn more than j00" etc etc tennis match. Suffice it to say, we have a fight nearly every night in GW. Much fun is usually had.
Originally by: Raid
Curse needs a good cleaning however since we left many rats have spread we're just the exterminators. We'd like to clean our home before we come give your employer his money's worth.
*shakes in his boots*
Big words, but you best make it snappy cos we wont be here forever
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
I studied argumentation theory in university
...how's that working out for you? 
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Trooper B99
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/12/2005 15:46:07
Heavens sake.
This misunderstanding by the M.Corp member was dealt with an apologised for. Raid, next time please read the whole thread before putting your size 15's in and trying to stir stuff up. Situation has been dealt with to both parties satisfaction.
I was reply to the tone of the post thats all. I dont want to stir anything up with the M.Corp situation. I was a bit offended by the part that said "dont disagree with me"... I studied argumentation theory in university and stuff like that tends to bother me... thats all i have no intention of siring up the thread just stimulating a debate about what not to say when your trying to make a point.
No offence but you did stir things up.
M.corp apologised for posting in haste, we acepted people say things in the heat of the moment, M.corp was happy we were happy. Then you stirred it up again.
What eye said was true you werent there so cannot say it was or wasn't.
Now leave it at that.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/12/2005 15:31:43
Originally by: Raid
Flame...
Btw, any chance you Tyrell guys are gonna fight with your alliance or are you just going to continue camping Doril? Or are you so scared after the battering we gave you in empire as we havent seen you since. Now THAT is a flame
Lame smack and flamebait. No need.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/12/2005 15:31:43
Originally by: Raid
Flame...
Btw, any chance you Tyrell guys are gonna fight with your alliance or are you just going to continue camping Doril? Or are you so scared after the battering we gave you in empire as we havent seen you since. Now THAT is a flame
Lame smack and flamebait. No need.
i was taking the ****
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/12/2005 15:31:43
Originally by: Raid
Flame...
Btw, any chance you Tyrell guys are gonna fight with your alliance or are you just going to continue camping Doril? Or are you so scared after the battering we gave you in empire as we havent seen you since. Now THAT is a flame
Lame smack and flamebait. No need.
Then stop?
- "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back" |
Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
I could proclaim otherwise but im not gonna drag this thread through a "we pwn more than j00" etc etc tennis match. Suffice it to say, we have a fight nearly every night in GW. Much fun is usually had.
The "killing" im refering to is mostly on your killboard. The significant nature part refers to the the wallet size vs loss factor thats going on. Simply put your employer needs to keep paying you for a few more months.
Originally by: Eyeshadow
*shakes in his boots*
Big words, but you best make it snappy cos we wont be here forever
Purhapse you miunderstand... Why would we leave our home while it is full of things to shoot to come to GW to shoot someone who is paid to shoot at us? Im not threating you, mearly explaining that calling us out to GW wont really work because we dont want to give your employer more targets and thus make his investment worthwhile.
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
No offence but you did stir things up.
M.corp apologised for posting in haste, we acepted people say things in the heat of the moment, M.corp was happy we were happy. Then you stirred it up again.
What eye said was true you werent there so cannot say it was or wasn't.
Now leave it at that.
Im not refuting what he's saying is true or not... Just saying that telling someone not to disagree isnt the best way to start a thread. Thats all im saying... Purhapse we should discuss this ingame instead as its not related to this thread and people seem to think im commenting on this individual situation.
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:18:00 -
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You turned around with those numbers? :S
Show's what faith you have in your pilots.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/12/2005 16:26:17
Originally by: Raid
I was reply to the tone of the post thats all. I dont want to stir anything up with the M.Corp situation. I was a bit offended by the part that said "dont disagree with me"... I studied argumentation theory in university and stuff like that tends to bother me... thats all i have no intention of siring up the thread just stimulating a debate about what not to say when your trying to make a point.
Best best is to read and understand a situation before getting involved in an argument, I am certain that your argument theory covered that, yes? Especially if the situation had been resolved fully between the two parties, correct?
Thought so. 
EDIT: Maasu, it has nothing to do with faith. Pilots when they are tired can make mistakes and when you're group is knackered it is often a good judgement call not to engage a support heavy fleet when you don't have much support yourself, especially on a jump in. Numbers as you know aren't everything when discussing engagements. EW on both sides is of course important as is the types of BS and support. I don't have all that info, only partial, but if Eye made that call, it was for a good reason.
Besides, as was said, we're technially not paid to shoot [5] at this time.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:34:00 -
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Yeah i should understand what im commenting on. But what if im not commenting on the specifics of the situation? What if im only refering to the part of his post thats saying "dont disagree with me"?.. Again, all im saying is dont ask a question then tell the person "btw you can respond but dont disagree with me".. Im not commenting on the situation just his use of that sentance.
Originally by: Trooper B99
Thought so.
Thats almost as insulting as saying "dont disagree with me"... Your point would get across much better had you left that out.
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 07/12/2005 16:40:44
I like cheese. alot.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 07/12/2005 16:40:44
I like cheese. alot.
Thought you liked chicken?
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.12.07 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Yeah i should understand what im commenting on. But what if im not commenting on the specifics of the situation? What if im only refering to the part of his post thats saying "dont disagree with me"?.. Again, all im saying is dont ask a question then tell the person "btw you can respond but dont disagree with me".. Im not commenting on the situation just his use of that sentance.
The meaning of "don't disagree with me" is entirely dependant on the situation, hence the silliness of you objecting to it's use without understanding the situation first. Eye was not presenting an opinion, he was presenting fact. He was in command of the MC fleet during the incident in question, and his account of events was fair and accurate. M-Corp even accepted his account of events.
If he had posted "OMG, M-Corp outnumbered us 4:1. You are all lying blobbing eejits" then you may have some reason to object to "don't disagree with me". However, he actually said "Yes, we outnumbered you in BSs; but we were tired, on our way home, and didn't fancy a close fight with a support heavy fleet so we moved back to empire and logged.". That is hardly bragging, and in fact contains very little that anyone could disagree with. Saying "Don't disagree with me" was therefore fairly justified. What are people going disagree with? That a euro-heavy force who had been hunting for over 4 hrs were tired at midnight?
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
You turned around with those numbers? :S
Show's what faith you have in your pilots.
Oh ffs here we go theres always one lame ***** in every thread.
I have a lot of faith in my pilots thank you very much. What i dont have faith in however is jumping a long range BS fleet (that is outnumbered 20 v 28 in the first place) into a 20 man support fleet and 8 ranged/EW BS setup on the gate.
If you cant see the logic behind me turning around then you obviously arent too bright. HLW is your home, you probably have a large stock of ships in the station/s there. There was also more than 28 in local, so who knows what backup you have
Let me give a run down of how that would have happened if we had jumped in:
Jump in/load in lag for starters.
Enemy commander calls primary/secondary/tertiary target
All 3 targets that are called are scrambled. Our 4-5 frigs/support is instaBBqed by numerous HACs & BCs
We would be lucky to kill anything, even with BS superiority due to the fact you can all warp away
All our BS are scrambled by 20+ support as we are killed
We basically end up getting anihilated
Do you see how this could have gone any other way? With 12 or so direct fire BS on our side and 2/3 EW versus 20 support + 8 BS at range, already aligned by the time we jump in, us unable to scramble them due to lack of tacklers/support on our side
But then again your ATUK so probably could kill everything and lose a vigil or something. IMO, as an FC, jumping into HLW and engaging a superior fleet both in numbers + tacklers, is not an intelligent thing to do and i would never order such a thing
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Oh ffs here we go theres always one lame ***** in every thread.
happens everytime you enter eh?
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Oh ffs here we go theres always one lame ***** in every thread.
happens everytime you enter eh?
dont you start
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:12:00 -
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Mercenary Coalition need for forum publicity is ridiculous, and I believe Mercenary Coalition is struggling to find legitimacy or reasoning for keeping up there pretensions of legitimate honorable hostile actions, against most of eve alliances and organizations. Last night saw Mercenary Coalition slipping a little when they engaged, destroyed and posted that MASS battleship kill.
But however I apologize for my last paragraph if MASS are indeed totally hostile towards Mercenary Coalition.
Its funny though because it just proves my point that making enemies through-out eve with the false believe that every alliance accepts one-sided approaches of all-our war or false contracts. Mercenary Coalition are becoming small fish, youÆre actions are becoming more-so.
* Yep that was a rant, but only because IÆm starting to hate them for their silly tactics, for what they stand for. ^^
p.s. I used to like you guys :P
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
The meaning of "don't disagree with me" is entirely dependant on the situation, hence the silliness of you objecting to it's use without understanding the situation first.
That is hardly bragging, and in fact contains very little that anyone could disagree with. Saying "Don't disagree with me" was therefore fairly justified.
I disagree... It does not depend on the situation. Saying "dont disagree with me" means "There is nothing that can be refuted my argument is entirely sound and anything you say from here on out is meaningless."
The second part of your reply already adresses what im trying to get across. Someone COULD disagree, anyone can disagree even if their entirely flawed in their logic. Rule #1 in a sucessful argument is the understanding that you might always be wrong. Saying dont disagree with me totally disregards that hence my objection to its use.
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Ugluuk
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
With those numbers I'd have jumped in and BBQ'd the crap out of them, Eyeshadow you are getting timid in your old age
So would i have done..
Afraid of the support are we..not good..
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/
Edited, Ugluuk rox my boxxor -Dyvim
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Crzycnck2
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:26:00 -
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I just read this entire thread.. thatÆs ****ing 20 min of my life IÆll never get back.
YOUÆRE ALL LAMMERS MMMKAY.
Why is it with these kinds of threads there is always 5:1 ratio of 5 posting to everyone else. Not too mention it always seems that just when the thread should come to a close (ie an apology was given by glass, thanks glass) there has to be some muppet out there to stir **** up (hmm who am I thinking of.. oh yeah Mr. Raid) oh then thereÆs the other muppets that canÆt seem to let the logging thing go (wont mention it was... ohh yeah a 5 member).
FFS this is pathetic. This thread was dead about 50 posts ago.
Battle Angels Gather,
They Warp In,
Guns Engage,
Ships Die.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
Mercenary Coalition need for forum publicity is ridiculous, and I believe Mercenary Coalition is struggling to find legitimacy or reasoning for keeping up there pretensions of legitimate honorable hostile actions, against most of eve alliances and organizations.
We dont need forum publicity at all thank you. Most people know who and what we are. A force of seasoned PVPers that are available to do your bidding. Nothing has ever changed, and our actions have never been classed as "honorable". We do what we are paid to do, against whoever.
Originally by: Adam C
Last night saw Mercenary Coalition slipping a little when they engaged, destroyed and posted that MASS battleship kill.
But however I apologize for my last paragraph if MASS are indeed totally hostile towards Mercenary Coalition
MASS are neutral to MC, as we are to them. They undocked in what i classed as a hostile system, therefor all non blues are killed. I gave them fair warning to redock and stay there. We do attack neutrals, have done for a long time, especially after losing ships to people we thought were neutral, but were later shooting at us
Originally by: Adam C
Its funny though because it just proves my point that making enemies through-out eve with the false believe that every alliance accepts one-sided approaches of all-our war or false contracts. Mercenary Coalition are becoming small fish, youÆre actions are becoming more-so.
The MC is always under contract, unless we state otherwise. We have never, and will never, take a contract from an alt or start up a war under premise of a contract. This is widely known amongst the community. It is a reputation we have build over a long period of time, and your nay saying isnt going to change it
As for being small fish, let me give you a hypothetical situation:
Client approaches us as they are being hassled daily by an enemy alliance
We spot numerous gangs of said alliance flying around
We declare war and kick the crap out of them for 6 days straight, after which, they retreat back to their home space
Client is happy but wants the enemy alliance to pay more, so tells us to go after them
We basically shut down their home space for 2 weeks with constant attack
Conveniently, said target decides to move AGAIN, to another region of space
Sound familiar? Small fry is your perspective. As far as our client is concerned, he got exactly what he wanted from us
Originally by: Adam C
* Yep that was a rant, but only because IÆm starting to hate them for their silly tactics, for what they stand for. ^^
Dont worry, a lot of people feel that way after we have killed them numerous times. I would be interested to hear what "silly tactics" it is we use? You mean killing you, repeatedly, and hounding you, in empire and inside your own space, chasing your fleets about and stuff? Of course, sound like silly tactics to me
Originally by: Adam C
p.s. I used to like you guys :P
Again, a lot of people do until we start shooting them
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.12.07 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Dont worry, a lot of people feel that way after we have killed them numerous times. I would be interested to hear what "silly tactics" it is we use? You mean killing you, repeatedly, and hounding you, in empire and inside your own space, chasing your fleets about and stuff? Of course, sound like silly tactics to me
Originally by: Adam C
p.s. I used to like you guys :P
Again, a lot of people do until we start shooting them
You may*** of killed myship once. I call that good ratio for the amount of MC, FUCO & -V- takes down. Believe me when I tell you FUCO are recovering-thugs. The trait is so easily seen in MC forever well you dress it up, with ure smart-ass forum-posts and ure dressed up killsite.
p.s. this is my 2nd and last reply, I'm also a recovering forum-addict. Every new forum post i make, i then make another 
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