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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.07 19:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
TBH, I have wasted like hours and days waiting for MC to fight and only time when I see/hear fights are when everybody is either in bed or just fed up with MC's easy ganks and gorilla warfare.
Have a dose of your own medicine!
Hi, Jenny. Yes, there have been ganks aplenty. However, over 70% of V's BS losses have taken place during sustained fleet combat. Guerilla warfare is at the heart of what we do, but we never shy away from a fight that is anywhere close to even. In fact, people get nervous when I'm FC because I tend to be a tad more aggressive than some of our other commanders. That cost me a Deimos early in this war.
But, I'm not all talk either so....
A Weekend in Great Wildlands
Towards the middle of this film, perhaps you can show me here where we are engaging you with 3 - 1 odds, refuse to engage at close range (why else would I have a 20k scrambler on my Raven?) or how you are having to constantly chase us around? We even let you bust one of our SS to see what would happen!
This is just a sample from this past weekend when we were outnumbered in every ship type, in every engagement and we still went after V with everything we had. I saw your name on my scanner as part of an enemy fleet more than once, Jenny, and I wasn't warping away very much.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.07 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Bored with our tactics? what are our tactics that you are bored with? I have heard this said numerous times by V members but im still intrigued as to what it is you find boring?
Well... MC tactics are so famous that I do not need to say unneccessary comments and prolonged this discussion any further (moi last post). I am sure that you have heard the phrase, "good wine needs no bushes". Ask around, perhaps your former contracts/victims/employers/etc. and I am sure they can fill in the boring stuffs because they are so boring that I prefer not to waste too much time on them.
Sorry and I hope you do understand. Thanks for reading. 
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.12.07 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 07/12/2005 19:37:24
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/12/2005 19:23:51
Originally by: Eyeshadow
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Monkey business gets monkey business was what I was trying to say and thanks, I do know guerilla warfare and how it is spelt.
Jenny stop trying to post stuff trying to cause agruements!!!!
M.corp made a comment they apologised, MC was happy M.corp happy.
Certain person not yourself came along stirred it all up and started a flame war now leave it!!!.
Noone is gonna agree you think we gank we think you gank, you think we run when even number, we think you run and so on we all think the best of our own alliance.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.07 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: LightDarkness
You got nice ganks and V. But most time it was a SS spotting from MC and V cause you dont fight our fights
What types of fights would those be? The ones where you win all the time? Sorry, not interested.
A few weeks ago, I had nothing but praise for you guys. However, a lot of the respect we had for you is vanishing due to comments like this from yourself. 
Why you and your people seem to NEED to write off your losses due to our "lameness" is beneath you, sir. We're due for a talk anyway, LD.
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Aussie Trader
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:08:00 -
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Seleene, you sound like my mum.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aussie Trader
Seleene, you sound like my mum.
Lies! Noob corp alts don't have parents. 
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Entschlossen
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Entschlossen on 07/12/2005 20:33:36
I think that is meant with lame tactic. It is effective, but very boring in my opinion. I would rather loose my BS there than missing a funny fight. I pay to have fun and not to compare losses / kills :-).
Originally by: Eyeshadow
After getting the numbers, you had 8 BS and about 20 support. We had about 15 BS and 4-5 support.
Basically, engaging that much support when jumping in with long range fleet setup BS did not interest me very much, so i turned us around and we went to Agil to dock and log for the night
Btw. why do you think we leave GW? We only prepare a little Fleet OP. If you want to join the fun, simply come to Stain the OP will begin soon.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Entschlossen
I think that is meant with lame tactic. It is effective, but very boring in my opinion. I would rather loose my BS there than missing a funny fight. I pay to have fun and not to compare losses / kills :-).
Originally by: Eyeshadow
After getting the numbers, you had 8 BS and about 20 support. We had about 15 BS and 4-5 support.
Basically, engaging that much support when jumping in with long range fleet setup BS did not interest me very much, so i turned us around and we went to Agil to dock and log for the night
Don't even go there mate trust me 
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Marko Debreault
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:36:00 -
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My respect for the -V- alliance is undiminished after six weeks of engagements.
When the contract started they proved that they wanted to fight. Now that the contract has gone on for over a month, they continue to prove that they want to fight. We give it to them in different shapes and forms every single day. Ganks, small gang engagements, full fleet battles, it's all happening.
After six weeks of fighting it is difficult to assess the battlefield from on objective viewpoint. But my best attempts to do so show that -V- are as eager to fight us as they ever were, and for that I thank them.
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Lord Gunstar
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:24:00 -
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MC not wanting to fight in 0.0 SHOCKER!
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:31:00 -
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I thought I'd answer this as its pertinant to me as I made the comment, I'm not gonna get any more involved in the nonsense thats spiraling out of control regarding -v- and suggest Eye asks for a lock as this thread has run its course. Raid, I'm not going to get involved in meanings of words and phrases as to me it's very pedantic and varys from person to person greatly. Suffice to say the point has been made several times it doesn't really matter as this was a non-event dealt with before your introduction to the thread.
Originally by: Ilmonstre
i was staying out this thread but when i saw this i had to reply.
if you are not payed to shoot us then why do you do it when its convienient for the MC??? as you are mercs and only shoot on people you are payed for to shoot at.
We (the MC) are being paid to shoot who our client has paid us to shoot. Thats generally gives us the primary target and incidentals who are also to be engaged. V are currently our primary target and [5] are incidentals in 0.0, so we're technically not being paid to shoot [5]. This wasn't the case earlier on when [5] and -v- were both primaries with other incidentals in 0.0. However, I'm not privy to the current TS MC leadership meetings regarding the contract.
That answer your, ah, question?
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:40:00 -
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lol
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Moonbeam Stalker
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:46:00 -
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it's amazing that M. corp has the time to post sense they are sucking off RA cus they want some space from them. for there new Allince
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/12/2005 19:28:32
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/12/2005 19:27:25
Originally by: Eyeshadow
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Monkey business gets monkey business was what I was trying to say and thanks, I do know guerilla warfare and how it is spelt.
Also, everything is from my own experience and my own personal comments. Neither -V- nor LD has said anything. Basically, I am just bored with MC tactics and I have already given up on entertaining you people.
Bored with our tactics? what are our tactics that you are bored with? I have heard this said numerous times by V members but im still intrigued as to what it is you find boring?
Sry Eyeshadow.
But thats lame. You got respect but this flamefest isnt positive.
You got nice ganks and V. But most time it was a SS spotting from MC and V cause you dont fight our fights.
We tryed it some times and you also. So keep it respectfully here.
So please all -V- members dont answere here or keep it with respect to our enemys.
CU on the BF.
Regards
/LD
Ah finally you show up.
How about you drop the peace and love, respect aight? attitude? We all know how you really feel about us ..."runners" was it meestah LD?
All the BS you talk, does your people buy that? Not the ones that apologise for their FC warping them away from the fights over and over I bet. The whole "We are losing every engagement we have with MC but in the long run this is good for us!!". I mean really...
If you don't like us, fine. Stick to the truth and you can hate us 4ever, but stop the lies just cuss your are getting shot down. No one expects you to kill more then the paid merc ok?
Do you belive in what you say yourself? That MC only engages 2:1, that we just kill nubs and miners and gang people? You have ****ing been there yourself in those fights LD, there are fleetbattle summaries on your KB stating the facts ffs. -V- has some of the best fighting spirit around, don't drag that down into your crap you are chewing now 
Bottom line. Dead. Is. Dead. We get paid to kill as many of your ships as possible. Something tells me those numbers that can be seen everywhere are not all your nubs, cuss then you have some serious issues...
You don't like it? Well sorry, we are not paid to entertain you. I like alot of the -V- people, they are cool guys that don't feel the need to bend the truth to cover things up...
Have fun fighting G/Iron, hopefully they don't run away and kill 800 ships..
muppet..
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.12.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Moonbeam Stalker
it's amazing that M. corp has the time to post sense they are sucking off RA cus they want some space from them. for there new Allince
Woah! Arent references to oral sex a bannable offense? Not that there's anything wrong with oral sex. Its a lovely activity really. Hm.
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Moonbeam Stalker
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:01:00 -
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sucking off aka want to be a leach. and or be part of RA but not really. wanting RA space but not join.
wants RA to be the host as they SUCK the life and blood from it.
that is want i was saying. no oral sex here
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:06:00 -
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despite what you do now, i respect MC for their hard work, their own tactics and the skill they show in empire fighting.
Last but not least you guys "invented" mercenaries back to glory.
However you should keep to your roots, the smacktalk and the countless forumposts dont fit well with your image anymore. Remember the guys you smack today are maybe the contractors of 2morrow.
Maybe you should stick abit to your original image, as that made u unique and kept you above "the general alliance yada yada" or "the low rank punk talkin bull".
A report and a nice vid was all the public got to see back in the days and it was both impressive and made me and others wanna hire you. However if you keep insulting in local (someone can surely dig up logs if its needed) and the long forumdiscussions and flamebaiting it will only show youre "as bad" as the lesser mercs where profesionalism isnt part of the job (something which differenciates from any alliance, even the pvp ones).
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Nebuli on 07/12/2005 23:17:49
Edited by: Nebuli on 07/12/2005 23:17:24
Sorry the quote didnt seem to work correctly, this was originaly posted by Eyeshadow....
As for being small fish, let me give you a hypothetical situation:
Client approaches us as they are being hassled daily by an enemy alliance
We spot numerous gangs of said alliance flying around
We declare war and kick the crap out of them for 6 days straight, after which, they retreat back to their home space
Client is happy but wants the enemy alliance to pay more, so tells us to go after them
We basically shut down their home space for 2 weeks with constant attack
Conveniently, said target decides to move AGAIN, to another region of space
Sound familiar? Small fry is your perspective. As far as our client is concerned, he got exactly what he wanted from us
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This I would like to comment on, the actions you speak of above implying we moved to our home region, and then moved to another to escape you is simply not true, we did leave empire, and we have moved to another region for a alliance op, but these actions would have happend wether you guys were attacking us or not, those moves had nothing to do with you guys at all.
Other than that lets stop the nonsense, I thank MC for some good fight, I personaly have fully enjoyed having you guys around, we also have problems with people running away all the time etc and having an enemy that will regularly engage is very enjoyable.
And as for the WAR situation, we win some, you win some, all good fun, dont see either side losing or winning realy, just some nice fights :)
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.12.07 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Originally by: Rogthgar
2. MC run EVERY time they dont outnumber their target 3 to 1
Call it repositioning or whatever you want but you did warp off numerous times when you had us outnumbered.
Much like Eyeshadown didnt like taking a long range fleet into a short range fight. HH didnt want to take a short range fleet to long range against you guys. Even numbers or not if the range is to great then the numbers of ships actually fighting isnt very even.
You guys are very patient. Why cant we be the same way and pick a fight on our terms? Not a flame btw just pointing out different points of view.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:00:00 -
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Kcel Chim, as time goes on, entities in EVE evolve. It's very hard to be like in the "old days" for several reasons. None of that makes anything you've said wrong tho and I thank you for your words. You have a very valid point, one that I expect will see quite a bit of life on the MC forums come tommorow.
Hopefully everyone got thier 'bad blood' out in this thread. I won't be posting on this topic again until the end of contract report.
o/
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Gunship
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:06:00 -
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We did actualy think that with 18 BS, you would have the upper hand, but desided to stay on the gate, we even took down the bubbles.
Guess we just really wanted a fight, so a shame you could not make it, perhaps next time?
So you want to join us?
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gunship
We did actualy think that with 18 BS, you would have the upper hand, but desided to stay on the gate, we even took down the bubbles.
Guess we just really wanted a fight, so a shame you could not make it, perhaps next time?
we had 17 at the start of the night. we lost 2-3 during the course of the night so were down to 14-15 (dont really remember). It was the amount of support you had that really put me off jumping in. Didnt really see what we could about 20 or so frigs + cruisers with ranged BS. It would have been messy, put it that way.
I wont make excuses, such as us being at it for 4 hours or so already, it being late Euro time and stuff, i will just say i gave the command to turn around cos i didnt fancy it 
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:32:00 -
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I think -V- were spoiled fighting NBSI, F-E and (maybe even) PA. Those alliances were people who weren't afraid to switch to frigs and do suicide runs in the name of fun - I like to think -V- did the same for them, so all in all mucho fun is had by all.
With MC it's more "serious", mercs (- not just mercs, but mercs especially -) love to rub figures in everyones face, when the fact of the matter is most others prefer having fun. So the "lame" tactics are us not getting to have fun by having a silly fight or people risking their ships on suicide runs.. You might see it as fullfulling a contract, but we see it as wasting a subscription.
I've tried to word this flame-free so I hope MC don't take offense to this post, just trying to explain my, and others, perception of "lame" tactics.
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anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a racist.
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Oh and please stop thinking you are the centre of the universe.
I dont know why i feel the need to justify my and the rest of the MC's actions to people, but i find you calling us loggers offensive
Gee Eye, I always figured you thought yourself center of the Eve universe. I mean, everytime a couple of us had our opinions about things, you were always the first to try to ram them down our throats.
You feel you need to justify "your" actions since you like to be the center of attention, just like a spoiled child. I found a lot of things in the game offensive, however logging is just lame and childish...kinda like your post.
Let the slaughter of empire begin...
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:48:00 -
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If we had rules I would come on on you like a ton of bricks leo :/
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:50:00 -
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I was just about to post something similar Vels. Leo, you're a better man than that post.
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
I was just about to post something similar Vels. Leo, you're a better man than that post.
People change Jules. Memories don't
Let the slaughter of empire begin...
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Leosian
Edited by: Leosian on 08/12/2005 00:57:45
Originally by: Julien Derida
I was just about to post something similar Vels. Leo, you're a better man than that post.
People change Jules. Memories don't. Neither does the truth.
Leo thats a lie there is several ways memory can change, be it amnesia (loss of memory)or false memory known as ... i forget but its there
Anyways Im just replying as that particular phrase i disagreed with...
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Leosian on 08/12/2005 01:12:26
Originally by: Julien Derida
Welcome to the ex-Sharks soap opera, live on Eve-O Corps & Alliances Forum! Tune in next week to see Miso return from the dead and reveal that Eyeshadow is really Jade Constantine's illegitimate son!
Yeah, cause the cool sharks all left because we enjoyed doing what we wanted to do.
Let the slaughter of empire begin...
Momma's don't let your babies grow up to be miners... |
Purvy
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
Welcome to the ex-Sharks soap opera, live on Eve-O Corps & Alliances Forum! Tune in next week to see Miso return from the dead and reveal that Eyeshadow is really Jade Constantine's illegitimate son!
it all makes so much sense now! 
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