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darmwand
Repo.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:13:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: innocent can not be harassed because of the link, of the mechanic, CCP would set one up like the killright thing, I'm pretty sure it could be done somehow and it would add to the game perfectly, for sure a lot of stuff would need to be thought through in detail however
I like your trust in CCP and artificial intelligence but, until proven otherwise, I'm not convinced that reliably detecting scams in an unexploitable way is possible. Plus of course the constant threat of getting scammed keeps ones brain awake darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
422
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:15:00 -
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Lysanne Reqetta wrote:*new player logs in* Newbro > hi guys whats up Newbro > just joined and likin the game Notification: you have been convicted by capsuleer vote of crimes including scamming and egregrious bumping. You are restricted to mining or remaining docked for the next seven days (06:23:59:59 remaining). A fine of 1,500,000.00 ISK has been levied automatically.Newbro > f u guys im out *New player logs out and goes to play something more fun*
There's harsher games out there than EvE, that h-u-r-t even for newbies. They don't have to stage "danger" by "end-gamers" to gank lowbies or scam them, the game itself hurts even the gankers and thieves. They stick to the more profitable activities that's worth the effort and consequences.
And that's the flaw in the EvE crime system. It's too easy, without the consequences, so "end-gamers" can do that junk. It's too easy to ENCOURAGE it as a "career", because babies engage in it. CCP has to hand hold them to even play. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
438
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:15:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:adding to your frustration makes me happy Doc, because you have nothing to give except anger
I wouldn't say anger. I laughed my ass off.
Quote:All I'm saying is that I understand the OP's frustration with people hiding in stations and NPC corps
I don't understand this frustration at all. This is because I have the ability to accept my own mistakes, and learn from them, like an adult.
A child, on the other hand, cries when things don't go their way.
Here's your checklist:
First of all, don't get scammed. It's absurdly easy. (if anything, buff scamming)
Secondly, deal with it. Deal with being ganked, bumped, scammed, or any of this other crap that all the hurt feelings brigade want to call "griefing".
Thirdly, correct any behavior that led to you being a target, and move on.
But the refusal to learn from mistakes? No, I do not understand that. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2892
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:19:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:I'm setting up ideas, therefore used my brain, you just **** stupid comments out of your keyboard
Protip: Go set up your "ideas" in the correct forum area, and you won't get as many replies that hurt your feelings.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
353
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:22:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I'm setting up ideas, therefore used my brain, you just **** stupid comments out of your keyboard Protip: Go set up your "ideas" in the correct forum area, and you won't get as many replies that hurt your feelings.
protip: leave the forum because you do not add anything of interest OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
476
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:22:00 -
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Honestly, this would be as fruitless as a war on drugs. All you would get is overcrowded digital prisons and start a corrupt for profit prison business that would spread throughout the virtual court system, CONCORD, and our elected CSM's. All to punish people who really weren't much of a detriment to our online society. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
353
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:25:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Honestly, this would be as fruitless as a war on drugs. All you would get is overcrowded digital prisons and start a corrupt for profit prison business that would spread throughout the virtual court system, CONCORD, and our elected CSM's. All to punish people who really weren't much of a detriment to our online society.
bummber you do not see the vision behind it, I clearly see it, and it would be fun, I think a game mechanic against scammers is really needed OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope Gallente Federation
552
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:26:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Lysanne Reqetta wrote:*new player logs in* Newbro > hi guys whats up Newbro > just joined and likin the game Notification: you have been convicted by capsuleer vote of crimes including scamming and egregrious bumping. You are restricted to mining or remaining docked for the next seven days (06:23:59:59 remaining). A fine of 1,500,000.00 ISK has been levied automatically.Newbro > f u guys im out *New player logs out and goes to play something more fun* There's harsher games out there than EvE, that h-u-r-t even for newbies. They don't have to stage "danger" by "end-gamers" to gank lowbies or scam them, the game itself hurts even the gankers and thieves. They stick to the more profitable activities that's worth the effort and consequences.And that's the flaw in the EvE crime system. It's too easy, without the consequences, so "end-gamers" can do that junk. It's too easy to ENCOURAGE it as a "career", because babies engage in it. CCP has to hand hold them to even play. I'm not saying there aren't issues with how crime works, or how new players are treated. I'm saying a crowd voting system that affects other people is going to get abused all the way to VFK and back. And one like this would absolutely result in people sitting in Help chat ambushing new players with overwhelming imprisonment votes. Blatant alt posting? In my EVE?
It's more likely than you think. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2893
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:26:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I'm setting up ideas, therefore used my brain, you just **** stupid comments out of your keyboard Protip: Go set up your "ideas" in the correct forum area, and you won't get as many replies that hurt your feelings. protip: leave the forum because you do not add anything of interest
Look who's talking.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
353
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:28:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I'm setting up ideas, therefore used my brain, you just **** stupid comments out of your keyboard Protip: Go set up your "ideas" in the correct forum area, and you won't get as many replies that hurt your feelings. protip: leave the forum because you do not add anything of interest Look who's talking.
just open up your own thread, and let people add comments like yours all the time, to find out how good you are... go for it please, I encourage you... just adding dull comments to others is easy OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
353
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:30:00 -
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Lysanne Reqetta wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Lysanne Reqetta wrote:*new player logs in* Newbro > hi guys whats up Newbro > just joined and likin the game Notification: you have been convicted by capsuleer vote of crimes including scamming and egregrious bumping. You are restricted to mining or remaining docked for the next seven days (06:23:59:59 remaining). A fine of 1,500,000.00 ISK has been levied automatically.Newbro > f u guys im out *New player logs out and goes to play something more fun* There's harsher games out there than EvE, that h-u-r-t even for newbies. They don't have to stage "danger" by "end-gamers" to gank lowbies or scam them, the game itself hurts even the gankers and thieves. They stick to the more profitable activities that's worth the effort and consequences.And that's the flaw in the EvE crime system. It's too easy, without the consequences, so "end-gamers" can do that junk. It's too easy to ENCOURAGE it as a "career", because babies engage in it. CCP has to hand hold them to even play. I'm not saying there aren't issues with how crime works, or how new players are treated. I'm saying a crowd voting system that affects other people is going to get abused all the way to VFK and back. And one like this would absolutely result in people sitting in Help chat ambushing new players with overwhelming imprisonment votes.
the voting right is connected to a game mechanic, therefore new players can not be imprisoned OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2894
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:34:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:protip: leave the forum because you do not add anything of interest Doc Fury wrote:Look who's talking. just open up your own thread, and let people add comments like yours all the time, to find out how good you are... go for it please, I encourage you... just adding dull comments to others is easy
If you did not crave the negative attention you are getting, you would not keep posting (bad) game ideas in GD where they don't belong.
Not sure if troll or idiot. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
darmwand
Repo.
159
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:All I'm saying is that I understand the OP's frustration with people hiding in stations and NPC corps I don't understand this frustration at all. This is because I have the ability to accept my own mistakes, and learn from them, like an adult. A child, on the other hand, cries when things don't go their way. Here's your checklist: First of all, don't get scammed. It's absurdly easy. (if anything, buff scamming) Secondly, deal with it. Deal with being ganked, bumped, scammed, or any of this other crap that all the hurt feelings brigade want to call "griefing". Thirdly, correct any behavior that led to you being a target, and move on. But the refusal to learn from mistakes? No, I do not understand that.
Okay, I think I picked the wrong word there: when I say "understand" I don't mean "share". However I accept that some people get upset when they lose in games and have an urge to seek revenge.
Personally I'm the "ah, interesting, lesson learnt, won't do that again" type but then I don't live in high-sec, people there have a reputation for being a bit thin-skinned darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10352
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:47:00 -
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darmwand wrote:Personally I'm the "ah, interesting, lesson learnt, won't do that again" type but then I don't live in high-sec, people there have a reputation for being a bit thin-skinned I do live in highsec and I'm also of the same "lesson learnt, don't do it again" type. I have been the "victim" of the margin trading scam, my response to it was to evemail the guy, ask him how he managed to pull it off, and then congratulate him on its execution. Knowledge is power, I know how the scam works, therefore I won't fall for it again.
Harry's idea is so open to abuse that it's ridiculous, although he can't see that because it's his idea and therefore an excellent one.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Multor Kaston
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:50:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
the just move on to another thread please, otherwise i get the feeling you want to understand me but are not able to
I feel that it is my duty to point out idiocy, stupidity and just plain trolling, you're guilty of all three, besides you asked for feedback and ideas, I've provided both. Now please insert another coin to continue. You need a life if you think that is your duty. I agree that this idea is rather questionable, but so are your manners. |
Akto Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:51:00 -
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OP - just imagine an situation which is now and then very often - ganking.
What will prevent some gank squaq to vote to jail absolutely honest and not-scamming capsuleers?
If for example some corp with 500+ people will send corpletter to all with order to vote for XYZ, just because he dont paid "protection" fee?
Where is court? Where are judges?
Anyway, I think if is there some jail for scammer really set up (by some miracle or whatewer), than there should be also some detention facility for people who let them to be scammed, some lunatic-asylum kind of camp for this mindless people...
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Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope Gallente Federation
552
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:52:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:the voting right is connected to a game mechanic, therefore new players can not be imprisoned Until TQ becomes fully AI, there will be no way to reliably identify scamming and AWOXing through a game mechanic. That requires reliable analysis of the players' emotions, intent, and communications, including out-of-game sources like Twitter, the forums, IRC, and voice comms. If such a mechanic was implemented, ways to avoid it or get others unintentionally flagged by it would appear within a week. It's a technical impossibility without leaving it open to abuse, and I will maintain that stance unless I am corrected by an EVE dev. Blatant alt posting? In my EVE?
It's more likely than you think. |
darmwand
Repo.
159
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I do live in highsec and I'm also of the same "lesson learnt, don't do it again" type.
Heh, didn't mean to offend you. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
74
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:53:00 -
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+1
I like the idea... nevermind those butthurt due to the fear of being stuck in prison. Even add on to it where they have to mine a certain amount of ore to get out early or something (like make big rocks into little rocks). A little torture |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:56:00 -
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HarryGǪdonGÇÖt let these forum warriors get or beat you down. I for one appreciate your unique perspective thought and ideas and content and freshness you bring to the game and forums.
This is a hell of a lot better than the no stop trolling they can only offer thread after thread.
Keep fighting the good fight. |
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Cipher Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:58:00 -
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Horrible idea. The point is that this game is a sandbox. Players do what they enjoy doing, if that includes scamming and awoxing then that is up to them. That is what players love about EVE. How many thousand players joined the game after huge scams and thefts from in game were published on the internet? Ever wonder why that is?
You also have the issue of who would continue to pay for a game when they get stuck in a prison and can only mine. Most people don't want that and you would get a lot of unsubs.
I find it amusing that you post such a clearly ridiculous idea in GD claiming that you want feedback from a wider audience and then anyone who tries to point out its flaws and explain how it wouldn't work just gets shouted at for being unhelpful and then blocked. Ever heard of constructive criticism? In this case we are constructively telling you that this idea would never ever work and would hurt EVE. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:00:00 -
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darmwand wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I do live in highsec and I'm also of the same "lesson learnt, don't do it again" type.
Heh, didn't mean to offend you. No offence taken, I agree with you that there's a fair proportion of highsec residents with thin skin
Multor Kaston wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: the just move on to another thread please, otherwise i get the feeling you want to understand me but are not able to
I feel that it is my duty to point out idiocy, stupidity and just plain trolling, you're guilty of all three, besides you asked for feedback and ideas, I've provided both. Now please insert another coin to continue. You need a life if you think that is your duty. I agree that this idea is rather questionable, but so are your manners. Thanks I already have a life, and I never professed to be polite when dealing with morons. Sarcasm, look it up.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
304
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:01:00 -
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Soloman Jackson wrote: I do think that a prison full of all the banned players would be cool. One that you could walk through like the captains quarters. Have little tags on the bottom of the cage that says the date they were banned and the reason.
Have it set up like a "Silence of the Lambs" walk through the cages...
I'd prefer freezing them in carbonite like Han Solo. Getting banned is more like death at least. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1213
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:05:00 -
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This thread has 6 pages. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
439
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:06:00 -
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Quote:I find it amusing that you post such a clearly ridiculous idea in GD claiming that you want feedback from a wider audience and then anyone who tries to point out its flaws and explain how it wouldn't work just gets shouted at for being unhelpful and then blocked.
This is most frequently seen from the "self esteem" generation. They are incapable of telling the difference between criticism and a personal attack. If we say their idea sucks, they equate it to us saying that they suck.
They literally have "opinion" tied directly to their self worth. It's part of the eventual results of "equality of thought" being so thorough inculcated into the school system.
Basically, they are morons, whose feelings get hurt at the slightest pretext, and then proceeds the crying over spilled milk. "Oh, no! My precious feelings!".
Quote:Ever heard of constructive criticism?
I am sure they have heard of the concept, but remember that we are talking to special snowflakes here. To them, constructive criticism directed at them basically has to consist of agreement and amplification of their idea, no matter how asinine. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
422
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:08:00 -
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Cipher Deninard wrote:Horrible idea. The point is that this game is a sandbox. Players do what they enjoy doing, if that includes scamming and awoxing then that is up to them.
Again, folks are missing the idea of what a sandbox is -- players would want a prison as well. Being that it is a sandbox game, those mechanics and game play are equally valid.
Cops and robbers gameplay is classic and works in concept and reality.
Really want to be a criminal RP the part, but there's risks vs rewards to also think about (and criminals aren't babies that need devs to hand hold them to even play). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
422
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:10:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:This thread has 6 pages.
More traffic than that Yahoo EvE "article", huh? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1214
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:12:00 -
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oh btw in case anyone was wondering what the time is, its 14:12 Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10356
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:13:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Cipher Deninard wrote:Horrible idea. The point is that this game is a sandbox. Players do what they enjoy doing, if that includes scamming and awoxing then that is up to them. Again, folks are missing the idea of what a sandbox is -- players would want a prison as well. Being that it is a sandbox game, those mechanics and game play are equally valid. Cops and robbers gameplay is classic and works in concept and reality. Really want to be a criminal RP the part, but there's risks vs rewards to also think about (and criminals aren't babies that need devs to hand hold them to even play). If players want a prison system then it's up to the players to build one, and all the necessary infrastructure to support it. If Harry want to punish scammers then he has to do it using the existing mechanics, instead of asking CCP to do it for him.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24931
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:23:00 -
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How about CCP just release WiS once it is ready, and when someone scams or annoys me, I dock at his station, leave my ship, kick down his CQ door and just punch his smug face in? Much easier and much more satisfying. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
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