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darmwand
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:41:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff
But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10370
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:43:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:
wherelse I hade a lot already, what do you think that tells us? hmmm...
Where? point out one single valid argument you have made that stands a chance of convincing people that your idea has any merit whatsoever.
Quality beats quantity, so far you've got the quantity bit right, now try for some quality.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

darmwand
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:44:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible.
Now that would be nice indeed and a very "EVE-ish" way to enable players to reduce the risk of being scammed - not by preventing scams but by giving the players more information on their business partners. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
39
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:44:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Manfred Hideous wrote:We have lockdown. It's when you lose your staging system and are suddenly impoverished because of the isk you had tied up in those assets. :) Pfft that's nothing. ISK in a game where you can just more of it, breeds the arrogance seen around here with the Goons. Free 5 man accounts for those who kiss enough butt. Risks vs Rewards need to feel the risk, not just have endless rewards because they can buy replacements. Gatecampers doing illegal actions, get a posse together, round them up and put the sleeze bags in jail. Or better, public stocks, so we can throw space junk their way. 
I also have hatred towards people who are mor successful than my scrub as... Wait, no I don't!
Eve is a sandbox game. I'm having difficulty seeing the point of view of anyone who thinks that part of Eve should change. I personally think scamming has been nerfed too hard in my time here. I've never scammed or been a victim of scam AFAIK. Probably because I read contracts and don't invest in stuff like Titans4U. Anyone who falls for those deserves to lose ISK and I include myself if it ever does happen to me.
You can do something about gatecamps, gankers, and the like. Get a group of like-minded people together and give something back to them. What you are saying is you \want CCP to give you protection from meanies instead of learning how to fight in your schoolyard.
TL;DR: people who make threads like this are complaining about one of the core features of the game and are probably not good fits FOR this game.
Or trolling, which is good fun. :) |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
430
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:darmwand wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.
Something like bounties? If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible. It would help actually because whenever you see people with a bounty we would wonder why, especially if it was a huge bounty, like "wow, what did that dude do?". Was it for not honoring ransoms? Was it for gratuitous podding? Noob harvesting? Or was is market scamming? Perhaps it was for being too good at the market, or PVP? Maybe loot stealing or corp theft? Presently anybody can put a bounty on anybody, but there's no way to track the reason for it. That reason can be important.
A purpose.
1000000000000000 alts running around with 100,000 ISK bounties on their heads for nothing but asking for help in even the help channel, does not make a good bounty system.
When folks don't bother killing folks with 200,000,000 ISK bounties, the system is broken. Such folks (like MarkeeDragon) get them due to celeb status alone. While the real criminal low lifes hide with 20,000,000 ISK bounties in a sea of other 20,000,000 ISK thugs, and still gatecamping AFK.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:47:00 -
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darmwand wrote:Harry Forever wrote: just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff
But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders.
scamming with it is not honest OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
39
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:48:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.
There's no way an alliance of thousands can manipulated down/up votes. Nope, not a chance.
In fact, this system would be a great idea for one reason: After the crybabies were downvoted to being able to be attacked, they'd either have to stay docked, quit, or become even more victimized.
Put this in the medium things dev post. I like it  |

Spankijs Omaristos
Asteria Imperative Tribal Band
8
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:50:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first. Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week
Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront
Dude, too much Ultima online? |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
39
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:53:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:darmwand wrote:Harry Forever wrote: just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff
But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders. scamming with it is not honest
Just because you're greedy AND dumb doesn't make it scamming. The minimum buy number is easy enough to see. You saw a ridiculous buy order and got a woody because you saw easy isk. Use your brain. |

darmwand
Repo.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:53:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: scamming with it is not honest
True, but there is no way to tell whether an order has been put up with the intention to scam or not. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:54:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first. Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week
Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront Dude, too much Ultima online?
was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10727
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:58:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first. Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week
various features could be implemented that catching other players do not get too easy. Maybe need of special modules, having at least 5-10 people involved in the capturing process, and a special prison fee
please add your ideas, this should bring consequences to the game for liars, traitors and scammers. I feel those are needed because they are missing at the moment!
Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront
Edit: the prison mechanic could also be implemented by a special voting system, maybe scammed people can go together and vote, however there would need to be a mechanic to identify scammed people, so you get a voting right comparable to killrights
Edit: maybe prison escape mechanics should be added as well, like people beeing able to free others from prison, maybe there also should be PvP player controlled prisons and PvE prisons controlled by the computer
EvE is that prison.
1 Kings 12:11
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Spankijs Omaristos
Asteria Imperative Tribal Band
8
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:59:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first. Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week
Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront Dude, too much Ultima online? was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself
Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)
Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)
Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail |

Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
76
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:
Maybe you don't know how scamming works....
1) Get a crappy alt 2) Spam all day 3) Some idiot falls for scam 4) Spam all day 5) Another idiot 6) Spam all day 7) another idiot 8) .... and so on and so forth 9) Biomass 10) Rinse and repeat
No undocking is nowhere in the list so no "game mechanic" is there for any "Retribution". Now the idea is putting in an actual risk for something that is well riskless.
I know how the scams work, although I can think of several "scammers" that would disagree with how you think they work. I'll even give you a couple of names of "scammers" that undock, Miilla and Erotica 1, both of which I am sure would love you to try and gain some retribution. Scams only work because the "mark" is too stupid or greedy to read properly.
So your saying that those two own all the other accounts that don't bother undocking and hide behind their anonymity. I also don't consider Erotica a scammer as he/she tells you exactly what to do.
Retribution isn't gained when they undock and then redock. As i tried your suggestion and it's still kind of hard to pew pew inside a station. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
430
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:07:00 -
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Manfred Hideous wrote:I also have hatred towards people who are mor successful than my scrub as... Wait, no I don't!
I played tougher games than EvE that has to hand hold even criminals to be a criminal, so put a fork in it, Francis.
Oh, precious, he goes straight to definition he doesn't understand even...the sandbox excuse!
Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right??? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8414
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:07:00 -
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What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10370
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:10:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:
Maybe you don't know how scamming works....
1) Get a crappy alt 2) Spam all day 3) Some idiot falls for scam 4) Spam all day 5) Another idiot 6) Spam all day 7) another idiot 8) .... and so on and so forth 9) Biomass 10) Rinse and repeat
No undocking is nowhere in the list so no "game mechanic" is there for any "Retribution". Now the idea is putting in an actual risk for something that is well riskless.
I know how the scams work, although I can think of several "scammers" that would disagree with how you think they work. I'll even give you a couple of names of "scammers" that undock, Miilla and Erotica 1, both of which I am sure would love you to try and gain some retribution. Scams only work because the "mark" is too stupid or greedy to read properly. So your saying that those two own all the other accounts that don't bother undocking and hide behind their anonymity. I also don't consider Erotica a scammer as he/she tells you exactly what to do. Retribution isn't gained when they undock and then redock. As i tried your suggestion and it's still kind of hard to pew pew inside a station. I don't consider Erotica as a scammer either, hence the quotation marks.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
449
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:13:00 -
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Quote:Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right???
Wow, you're even dumber than usual today.
No, you're wrong. Sandbox is player content.
What they are asking for is a CCP created solution to a "problem" that they just can't seem to get over.
They are asking for a developer solution to a player created problem.
If you want to "jail" them, fine, go do it yourself. But if you don't want to put any more work in than coming on the forums to whine, then no soup for you. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
76
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:14:00 -
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Andski wrote:What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.
If you really think about it lowsex is sorta like a prison. Get to -5 or lower you sorta stay there and grind sec status back or pay concord their bribe in tags/fee's to "get out of prison".
Some break out only to end up in a different one (the ones traveling through hi sec to some part of the universe with Faction Navy on their butts and random players).
I just think it would be cool to somehow put people in a system they can't get out of until the "sentence" is fulfilled.... mining still comes to mind as a good torture method  |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:17:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first. Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week
Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront Dude, too much Ultima online? was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :) Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :) Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail
:D this is the ultimate proof that we need it :DD
now its really looking bad for all those people telling me I'm stupid if the inventor of onlinegaming himself had the same idea years back :D OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
76
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right??? Wow, you're even dumber than usual today. No, you're wrong. Sandbox is player content. What they are asking for is a CCP created solution to a "problem" that they just can't seem to get over. They are asking for a developer solution to a player created problem. If you want to "jail" them, fine, go do it yourself. But if you don't want to put any more work in than coming on the forums to whine, then no soup for you.
CCP does it all the time... look at safeties and the easy button on "exploration".
Problem:Players somehow shoot things in high sec or take something that ain't theirs and they complained. Solution: Safeties.
Problem: What is triangulation... i never passed maths so how can I explore if I can't understand probes or basic geometry. Solution: Click this button and we find it for you.
Problem: People getting ganked by true gate camps. Solution: Warp to 0 and jump freighters |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8414
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:18:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:If you really think about it lowsex is sorta like a prison. Get to -5 or lower you sorta stay there and grind sec status back or pay concord their bribe in tags/fee's to "get out of prison".
Low sec status doesn't actually prevent you from entering highsec, the faction navies only prevent you from getting too comfortable while you're there. And it doesn't prevent you from actually playing the game in any case like this "vote to ban" nonsense does. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8414
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:22:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :) Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :) Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail
The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Spankijs Omaristos
Asteria Imperative Tribal Band
9
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :) Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :) Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever.
True:)
Player voting is a bad idea... For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
120
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:28:00 -
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CONCORD makes it hard to move around in hisec if your sec status is low, but I'm sure that is what you meant. Faction Navies only care about your faction standings, and are laughingly ineffective. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
449
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:33:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Andski wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :) Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :) Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever. True:) Player voting is a bad idea... For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D
Strangely, in all my years of dickery in UO, I never managed to get this to happen to me.
But yes, player voting is a terrible idea. It would, not might, would be abused beyond belief, and would rapidly cause problems that make Jita Monument look like Candyland. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.
omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do? OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:38:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Andski wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :) Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :) Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever. True:) Player voting is a bad idea... For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D
the voting system sure needs to be connected to a game mechanic, like the killright is given OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:40:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Andski wrote:What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps. omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?
putting someone in "prison" for the week is just suspending their account with a bit of embellishment |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
355
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:42:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Andski wrote:What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps. omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do? putting someone in "prison" for the week is just suspending their account with a bit of embellishment
then let it be 1-24 hours, maybe the week is too long, I'm sure you babies can handle those consequences OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
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