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Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 17:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 10/12/2005 17:06:52 I doubt it'd be possible to do without a lot of recoding, but I think it'd be good if players were able to shift their existing characters to another bloodline within their race. I know a lot of people don't roleplay, but there are a number of people who do, and some of them have been roleplaying as one kind of bloodline while being forced to be another kind of bloodline for quite some time now. In particular, there are a number of players who have been forced to play as True Amarrians eventhough they'd rather have been Khanid and have been playing as Khanid (though why Khanid is its own bloodline is beyond me since although they're a separate political entity, they should be the same race). Regardless, there are Khanids now, and people should be able to switch from Amarrian to Khanid if they so choose. Of course, one could just start a new character, but A) with the game having been out as long as it has, new characters are vastly behind older players in skills, and to have to start from scratch is frustrating to say the least when one's main (and sometimes only) character is several years old. B) Some people have been roleplaying as that character for some time and creating a NEW character to roleplay would be pointless. To prevent abuse, I'd suggest the following... Make race change a one-shot deal. No flipping between races Also, as stated, employ a window of opportunity of a couple weeks. Only allow transfers within the race. So switching from say a True Amarrian to an Achura is out of the question. Perhaps put a processing fee on it like changing portraits or transferring characters between accounts? Say $10-$15? Your thoughts? ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Sentani	Posted - 2005.12.10 17:21:00 - [2] sounds good... eve isnt like other games... you stay with your character forever ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.12.10 17:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 10/12/2005 17:25:48 CCP isn't going to allow this - I think they've stomped their foot down on the issue. But this is pretty much what people have been wanting since day one, and I personally don't see a problem with it, especially since only 5% of EVE participates in active roleplay anyway. Plus, it's more money for CCP edit: I'd also have added that this is only for portraits and the bloodline that shows up in the character sheet - not for the swapping of base attributes.
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 17:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda edit: I'd also have added that this is only for portraits and the bloodline that shows up in the character sheet - not for the swapping of base attributes. Are these things easily separable? It wouldn't cause complications? ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.12.10 17:53:00 - [5] I still dont see why CCP has to be such a pain in the ass about the subject, theyre about to add a game breaking feature to parts of the gaming population and the only thing theyve got to say about it is "Go buy another account"... ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:00:00 - [6] Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 10/12/2005 18:00:35 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain I still dont see why CCP has to be such a pain in the ass about the subject, theyre about to add a game breaking feature to parts of the gaming population and the only thing theyve got to say about it is "Go buy another account"... And in short, people aren't going to do it either! They're going to continue with their same account in spite of the fact that they would really be the race they roleplay as because A) People won't/can't pay for the extra account, and B) Nobody wants to start from scratch in their skills! You couldn't pay me to delete this character and start a new account... I periodically lose interest in EVE and move to something else, but I made the mistake once of cancelling my account. Never again... even if I go a year without playing, I'm going to maintain the account and log on periodically to train a level 5 or something because you never know... So already I'm inclined to use one of my empty alt slots to create a roleplaying character that will never leave the hangar than create a new character to train that'll always been terribly behind in skills compared to everyone else. And CCP loses the $10 transfer fee... ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:03:00 - [7] I think we should be allowed to switch tbh... My fcking 4 perception still ****es me off, and CCP pretty much admitted that Amarr didnt have a Fighter character creation, so now they add one - 2 years too late. Hell, i would pay a bit for it much like for character trading. If only i could though, without a CC.
Tullaris Iceblade	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:04:00 - [8] come on guys this topic has been done to death and i think that a complete bloodline change is not an option because it would take too much work on the part of ccp, but i do believe that we should be able to change our portrait to one of the new bloodlines for a fee because i love the new look, of course it should only be one of the bloodlines of the same race ie caldari ammar etc, but i think this would be a fair option for older players Sig Removed. Exceeded max size of 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes, also please try to make your sig less uber because frankly it owns everyone elses. -Kaemonn
Kirex	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:07:00 - [9] I dont know what I was thinkning when I made this face.
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Tullaris Iceblade but i do believe that we should be able to change our portrait to one of the new bloodlines for a fee because i love the new look... Are there images of the "new look" out there? If so, give me linkage! I'm impatient and want to see them now! Also, even if we could just change the picture and the description that would be enough for me... ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Gonada	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:11:00 - [11] want to play the new bloodline? omg make a new char dont? too bad then. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 10/12/2005 18:18:57 Originally by: Gonada want to play the new bloodline? omg make a new char dont? too bad then. I don't even want this for myself personally. I have no interest in changing Shira's race since she's SUPPOSED to be a True Amarrian. But I do sympathize with those who dared to travel off the beaten path and roleplay as something other than typical Amarrian or typical Minmatar (that'll be more relevant if they ever add the Nefantar). And I think they should at least be able to switch their portraits and their descriptions without creating a new character... to create a new character would defeat the purpose of it all... if you're going to create a new character, you might as well create a completely different character and take a completely new roleplaying position. ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Bonaventure Augustus	Posted - 2005.12.10 19:09:00 - [13] I feel quite bad for the Khanid rpers particularly. I think it would be a good thank-you for the atmosphere their community adds. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.12.10 19:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Shira d'Radonis Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 10/12/2005 17:06:52 I doubt it'd be possible to do without a lot of recoding, but I think it'd be good if players were able to shift their existing characters to another bloodline within their race. I know a lot of people don't roleplay, but there are a number of people who do, and some of them have been roleplaying as one kind of bloodline while being forced to be another kind of bloodline for quite some time now. In particular, there are a number of players who have been forced to play as True Amarrians eventhough they'd rather have been Khanid and have been playing as Khanid (though why Khanid is its own bloodline is beyond me since although they're a separate political entity, they should be the same race). Regardless, there are Khanids now, and people should be able to switch from Amarrian to Khanid if they so choose. Of course, one could just start a new character, but A) with the game having been out as long as it has, new characters are vastly behind older players in skills, and to have to start from scratch is frustrating to say the least when one's main (and sometimes only) character is several years old. B) Some people have been roleplaying as that character for some time and creating a NEW character to roleplay would be pointless. To prevent abuse, I'd suggest the following... Make race change a one-shot deal. No flipping between races Also, as stated, employ a window of opportunity of a couple weeks. Only allow transfers within the race. So switching from say a True Amarrian to an Achura is out of the question. Perhaps put a processing fee on it like changing portraits or transferring characters between accounts? Say $10-$15? Your thoughts? I would vote NO!!!! Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.12.10 20:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Elve Sorrow I think we should be allowed to switch tbh... My fcking 4 perception still ****es me off, and CCP pretty much admitted that Amarr didnt have a Fighter character creation, so now they add one - 2 years too late. Hell, i would pay a bit for it much like for character trading. If only i could though, without a CC. CCP, should not allow people like you to switch. Some, people just want to change the picture because they are Asian in RL. It is not about changing attributes, they just want to change the picture.
Linavin	Posted - 2005.12.10 20:24:00 - [16] Can't you already change character portraits for around 10 USD? Or did they change that? --- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Modal Mega Ions CCP?
Ardor	Posted - 2005.12.10 23:12:00 - [17] I never heard about Achura, Jin-Mei or Vherokior roleplayers. So there would be no reason to allow a change of the bloodline for Gallente, Caldari or Minmatar for roleplay reasons. I am roleplaying a Dark Amarr since the very beginning. As a Khanid roleplayer I always roleplayed a true Amarr who followed the true amarrian King Khanid II (that's what I believed) because he disliked the politics of Heideran which was friendly towards foreigners (Udorians, Nefantar/Ammatar and his positive relationship towards Gallente). I for sure will not change my true amarrian bloodline to a khanid bloodline because my roleplay always was based on racism with the true Amarr as the superior race aka Gods chosen people. I will continue this way. I admit the new Khanid bloodline ****s up my previous roleplay. I believed Dark Amarrians were called Dark Amarrians because of the color schemes on their ships but not because they are a different bloodline. I am still looking for a reasonable way to adapt to the coming changes. I saw several other Khanid roleplayers come and go in the last 2-3 years. As far as I know those who are active today are not older than 3 months if they actually have an amarrian char. If you want to be able to change the bloodline then say because you want so. Don't misuse the roleplayer argument. As far as I know there are no Khanid, Achura, Jin-Mei or Vherokior roleplayers who want to change their bloodline.
Guapo Suave	Posted - 2005.12.10 23:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Guapo Suave on 10/12/2005 23:33:42 ----------------------------------------------- Officially Mars Vigilia news correspondent.
Guapo Suave	Posted - 2005.12.10 23:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Guapo Suave on 10/12/2005 23:36:42 ----------------------------------------------- Officially Mars Vigilia news correspondent.
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 23:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Ardor If you want to be able to change the bloodline then say because you want so. Don't misuse the roleplayer argument. As far as I know there are no Khanid, Achura, Jin-Mei or Vherokior roleplayers who want to change their bloodline. I don't want to change my bloodline. You were the one that came to mind when I thought about this, and I had assumed there were more out there like you. I was wrong. If you're ok with it, then so am I. Damn forums kept posting with my stupid alt... ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö "Our histories, one day, will absolve me..." - Shira d'Radonis
chichang	Posted - 2005.12.11 00:15:00 - [21] I'm happy with my current bloodline, and besides it doesn't give you any advantage or something..only an asian face it would be cool for me though because i'm chinese.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.12.11 00:23:00 - [22] On the issue of the Khanid there is something that I think it is very important to understand. Khanid race != Khanid Kingdom There are True Amarr, Ni-Kunni and Udorians loyal to the Khanid Kingdom and there are Khanid loyal to the Amarrian Empire. Once that is understood, it is really not that much of a problem. (An interesting point is that there may very well be more individuals of Khanid bloodline in the Empire than in the Kingdom.) I do, myself, have a few issues with the choice of a 'Khanid' bloodline but the reality is that it is happening. Ardor is a bit mucked-up by this retcon as the Khanid family is now revealed to be the foremost family of the Khanid people within the Empire and not True Amarr. This means that the Tash-Murkon, who are Udorian, were not the first non-True Amarr house to become a royal heir family. It also means that the Khanid people have been close to the status of the True Amarr for centuries. The Khanid family presumably became an heir family during the moral reforms and were likely an apostle family before then. I'm a bit bemused by Ardor saying that he chose a character that backs Khanid because of Khanid's dislike of pro-foreigner policies. I'm sorry but I think that's a misunderstanding of the Khanid Kingdom which is quite clearly more open to foreign contacts than the Amarrian Empire (and has been clearly described in PF as such for a long time). I know it is controversial to dispute this with EVE's oldest Khanid RPer but unless he means something different, I just think he's wrong. The key to the Khanid bloodline and why True Amarr might put themselves under the authority of a Khanid ruler is the martial prowess aspect. I think it is this that made the Khanid acceptable to the True Amarr as equals (when the Udorians were not for a very, very long time) coupled with the fact that the Khanid come from Athra (I think in fact the same continental mass as the True Amarr). This also helps to explain why Khanid II was C-in-C of the Imperial armed forces. (Incidentally, as Khanid has been the title of the leading family of the Khanid people for a very, very long time he probably needs to be Khanid XII at least when the retcon goes active...) It is reasonably clear that martial virtues are celebrated by the Amarrian religion and thus a religious duty to follow that leader who by his military prowess may best serve the Amarrian religion could be a good explanation for True Amarr serving under the Khanid King. Cosmo Jericho Fraction
Tarsha Listur	Posted - 2005.12.11 00:48:00 - [23] Edited by: Tarsha Listur on 11/12/2005 00:49:52 i agree in the case of the khanid, should be allowed to change, myself i rp an intaki/minmatar, it will never have that option but meh
Ardor	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:23:00 - [24] I can agree with almost everything The Cosmopolite said. It still would be possible that King Khanid and his family are true Amarr while many of the Khanid Kingdoms citizens would be from the Khanid bloodline but also true Amarrians, Udorians and Ni-Kunni. The important thing is the ancestry of the royal family Khanid. Originally by: The Cosmopolite I'm a bit bemused by Ardor saying that he chose a character that backs Khanid because of Khanid's dislike of pro-foreigner policies. I'm sorry but I think that's a misunderstanding of the Khanid Kingdom which is quite clearly more open to foreign contacts than the Amarrian Empire (and has been clearly described in PF as such for a long time). I know it is controversial to dispute this with EVE's oldest Khanid RPer but unless he means something different, I just think he's wrong. I think the key sentence from the POTW you are refering to is: "The Khanid Kingdom is not nearly as rigid and stale in their governing of inter-stellar trade, for the very simple reason that the kingdom absolutely needs outside trade to survive, which is not the case for the empire." Caldari influence in the Kingdom? Sure, Caldari corps are shareholders of Khanid corps. There is Caldari tech in Khanid ships. But the POTW also says unlike the Amarr Empire Dark Amarr take slaves wherever they can find them. For the first 2 years the standings of the Khanid Kingdom were a lot more hostile towards all foreigners with the exception of the Caldari State. It was the Amarr Empire that recently changed their positive standings towards Gallente into a negative standing. Remember the succession? "As a gesture of continuing Heideran VII's legacy of honoring the traditions of other nations, they will allow for every Amarrian citizen to vote for a champion." Remember the Aidonis Statue? Remember Pax Amarria? Have you ever read the description of a religious reclaimer? Ammatar as a semi autonomous state, Udorians in the Privy Council, Heideran hunting Tetrimon who found a safe haven in the Kingdom, Doriam as first Heir in Gallente, Doriam thinking about recognizing the Minmatar Republic, Doriam freeing slaves, Uriam Kador with his gallentean lover, Aritcio Kor-Azor giving away an IMP apoc to a gallentean *****. I still do not think I was so wrong. I even do believe the Tal-Romon cathedral that's now on Athra is a victory of Catiz Tash-Murkon over Doriam. A Khanid bloodline most likely will change everything for me, though.
Imode	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:41:00 - [25] I completely support a one-time 'only in name' switch of character portrait and bloodline. This option should exist but not to reroll for better stats for your current character. Why CCP doesn't allow this is beyond me. The reasoning from the developers is something about not letting this content be available only to older members and not newer members-- in other words, their reasoning stinks. All it is a ploy to satisfy the new Asian members when the China servers go live and a potential money-maker for existing members who actually do decide to either pay for an entirely new subscription or turn their existing accounts into bio-mass and spent the months or years necessary to get their characters into form.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:20:00 - [26] Well, Ardor, I think there's a disagreement of interpretation of the material regarding the Khanid Kingdom and non-Amarrians. I mean, actually, the Khanid Kingdom practice of taking slaves from non-traditional stock races could be a point against you on that one. It depends on your perspective I guess. In that sense, your character is doing the interpreting of the policies of Khanid so it works fine whatever you or I as players may think. As to the Khanid Royal Family.. well, I think the new material regarding the Khanid bloodline makes it clear that the royal house are of the Khanid bloodline. Key lines from the Khanid char creation blurb are: Quote: The Khanids were fellow settlers alongside the Amarrians on Athra, better known today as Amarr Prime. During the height of the Amarr Reclaiming the Khanids were swept up and merged into the growing Amarr Nation. The Khanids proved themselves as valuable allies to the Amarrians from day one and have ever since held exalted status within the Empire, with only a handful of them ever actually having to endure slavery. The name Khanid was given to the ruling family by the Amarrians. I think you are given an answer to your dilemma here and I also think you have to accept that this is a retcon that is being forced on you. The new material is clearly incompatible in small but nevertheless important ways with existing PF. It makes no sense for your character to be as disdainful of the Khanid bloodline as he is of other 'lesser' bloodlines given this new material. (Note that the Khanid are actually 'exalted' from early days.) I suppose it might be if he is a really, really hardcore racialist but actually I think you'd be straightforwardly heretical given the long acceptance of this particular bloodline in the upper echelons of the Empire. The thing is, this is a rewrite of background in ways you can't be expected to have anticipated. The only real answer is to accept it and modify your RP accordingly. It may be a bitter pill but I don't see what else can be done in your situation. Cosmo PS. Once again, I am talking in terms of the reality of the situation: I personally remain of the view that the Udorians should have been the bloodline that was made playable. Jericho Fraction
xStormwingx	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:48:00 - [27] Agreed with the OP. I want to play/rp as a pilot who's bascially the same race I am in real life. Is that so difficult a request? Just put limitations, such as the ones Shira stated. --- :O
Rafein	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:47:00 - [28] I agree. And I don;t think letting old players change their race is really that hard of a change. Simply give them the option when RMR comes out, the first time you log in with the chatacter, they can switch. Avatar and starting attribute would remain unaltered. I thought about allowing people a free character Avatar, but this is for roleplayers, and roleplayers would hate to see their look changed after months of playing.
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.11 09:03:00 - [29] PLEASE PLEASE LET ME GET OUT OF THIS STUPID EMPORER FORSAKEN GALLENTE BODY I WANNA BE MINNIE! MINNIE DAMMIT MINNIE! I WAS FORCED EVILNESS I SAY EVILNESS!
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.11 09:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Dao 2 on 11/12/2005 09:11:53 Originally by: tinae You can pay CCP to change you're char and why it doesn't affect nothing ,anyway. 1) i dont have money 2) cant change race, bloodline, or sex of the character so :\| edit: i want out!

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