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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:46:00 -
[31] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: I just don't feel like explaining the obvious to tools. That's fine. It's impossible to have a conversation with you because you are completely unwilling to see the flaws in your arguments and your willful ignorance isn't going to rally people to your cause.
And right backatcha... except you add the "I am special because everyone hates goons" to your syndrome.
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Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
12
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:10:00 -
[32] - Quote
I think the really interesting conclusion that can be drawn from your original proposal is that more people would vote for the CSM if doing so involved seeing random pictures of almost-naked ladies. They might even try to vote more than once...
Even better if the voters themselves could upload their own pictures of almost-naked ladies which would then be displayed to other voters! |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:12:00 -
[33] - Quote
Mal Darkrunner wrote:I think the really interesting conclusion that can be drawn from your original proposal is that more people would vote for the CSM if doing so involved seeing random pictures of almost-naked ladies. They might even try to vote more than once...
Even better if the voters themselves could upload their own pictures of almost-naked ladies which would then be displayed to other voters!
The man has a point...
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White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
553
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
You will have a chance to replace CSM6 when voting for CSM7 starts. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1686
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:30:00 -
[35] - Quote
Two step wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:if all the CSM's posted intelligent and respectful feedback like yourself, perhaps less people would have issues with them. In general, just about everyone on the CSM, including Mittens, will post reasonable replies to reasonable questions. For example, look at this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6935If people post trolling threads, they will get trolling responses.
As a matter of course, I typically identify if the poster asking about CSM issues is a raving lunatic before I reply. People with corp/alliance names in all caps or littered with periods will usually be dismissed out of hand.
In the present example, you have a guy with a Pretentious Latin Name combined with the all-caps PWNED corp name. Unsurprisingly, he seems to think he's a genius and that if people would ~just read~ they'd grasp his obvious brilliance.
This is also something like the third or fourth anti-CSM screed that our friend Mr. PWNED has participated in. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:39:00 -
[36] - Quote
Statistics and demographics are so fail...
I mean who uses them? I guess only fools with Latin names on a rant.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:55:00 -
[37] - Quote
I keep reading this proposal as it is reposted and reposted, and I'm still left with the questions "what, exactly, is this 'collecting demographics' going to do, and what makes him think CCP isn't able to get behavioral data from their own serverfarm or the forums?", and "Replacing the CSM? What, exactly, is that going to accomplish?"
I've yet to see you explain this in a clear and concise manner, and this is how many threads you've created on the subject? |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
106
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:03:00 -
[38] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:I keep reading this proposal as it is reposted and reposted, and I'm still left with the questions "what, exactly, is this 'collecting demographics' going to do, and what makes him think CCP isn't able to get behavioral data from their own serverfarm or the forums?", and "Replacing the CSM? What, exactly, is that going to accomplish?"
I've yet to see you explain this in a clear and concise manner, and this is how many threads you've created on the subject?
It's just classic scientism. I can't really hold it against the OP, as it is ******* rampant right now. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:12:00 -
[39] - Quote
I guess what I should be asking is what is the problem he's trying to get CCP to address through this, and what's wrong with the way these things are being handled right now? |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:15:00 -
[40] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: what, exactly, is this 'collecting demographics' going to do, and what makes him think CCP isn't able to get behavioral data from their own serverfarm or the forums?", and "Replacing the CSM? What, exactly, is that going to accomplish?"
It will accomplish nothing but it lets him take a swipe at Goons on the CSM while pretending to be above hating Goons. I mean it's not like he's been able to provide an actual example of how the current CSM has hurt the game in any way.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1294
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
if all the CSM's posted intelligent and respectful feedback like yourself, perhaps less people would have issues with them.
regrettably you only exist to get ganked in mining barges and mocked on forums, better luck in your next eve life
in the meantime, please enjoy the ganking and mocking |
LithiumX
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian for CSM7
The policies we want
The Latin name we need |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:15:00 -
[43] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Lord Zim wrote: what, exactly, is this 'collecting demographics' going to do, and what makes him think CCP isn't able to get behavioral data from their own serverfarm or the forums?", and "Replacing the CSM? What, exactly, is that going to accomplish?" It will accomplish nothing but it lets him take a swipe at Goons on the CSM while pretending to be above hating Goons. I mean it's not like he's been able to provide an actual example of how the current CSM has hurt the game in any way.
You might be insane.
I say I don't hate the goon(dot) player base and you say that I am just pretending? 
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I say I don't hate the goon(dot) player base and you say that I am just pretending?
How dare you insinuate we are lame enough to have a dot in our name.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
515
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:21:00 -
[45] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You might be insane. I say I don't hate the goon(dot) player base and you say that I am just pretending?
Until you can provide an example of how the current CSM is hurting the game being a Goon hater is the only thing that makes sense.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You might be insane. I say I don't hate the goon(dot) player base and you say that I am just pretending?
So, you're not able to give a clear and concise answer to my question, then? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1691
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
The CSM is bad because: GOONS WON AN ELECTION GOONS ARE BAD
Pay no attention to the fact (god forbid we look at facts) that of the 14 CSM reps and alts, only two of them are from Goonswarm. That would interfere with our laughable conspiracy theories! |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You might be insane. I say I don't hate the goon(dot) player base and you say that I am just pretending? Until you can provide an example of how the current CSM is hurting the game being a Goon hater is the only thing that makes sense.
Who said the CSM is hurting the game? You?
You have such tiny ideas, there is just no sense of reason.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:02:00 -
[49] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Who said the CSM is hurting the game? You?
You have such tiny ideas, there is just no sense of reason.
So, you're not able to give a clear and concise answer to my question, then? |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:06:00 -
[50] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Who said the CSM is hurting the game? You?
You have such tiny ideas, there is just no sense of reason. So, you're not able to give a clear and concise answer to my question, then?
I'll play with you Kiddo.
Do you know what my actual stance is?
...I bet that you don't and that is why you are asking a question that is unrelated to my stance. So lets here it...
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
525
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
The title of your thread mentions replacing the CSM. Why does the CSM need to be replaced?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I'll play with you Kiddo.
Do you know what my actual stance is?
...I bet that you don't and that is why you are asking a question that is unrelated to my stance. So lets here it...
And by "play with you", you mean "oh dear god I can't answer that question, quick, distract him!". Gotcha.
It's not like my questions should be hard to answer. "What problem does your solution solve, and why, specifically, does the CSM need to be replaced?" |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I'll play with you Kiddo.
Do you know what my actual stance is?
...I bet that you don't and that is why you are asking a question that is unrelated to my stance. So lets here it... And by "play with you", you mean "oh dear god I can't answer that question, quick, distract him!". Gotcha. It's not like my questions should be hard to answer. "What problem does your solution solve, and why, specifically, does the CSM need to be replaced?"
No, this is actually a counter bait.
YOU make your claim and stop trying to derail everything with carefully placed questions.
If you do not know my stance, then you just assumed didn't you? You actually don't know anything do you because all you did was take a guess?
Still waiting.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
I haven't assumed anything, I glanced at the first post, saw something about dating, statistics and polling, and something about replacing the CSM. So I'm asking you, what problem does your solution actually solve, and why does the CSM have to be replaced?
I assume you've actually thought about these things since, you know, you typed lots of words on the subject. And I assume there's some sort of rationale behind it that can be summed up in a few paragraphs or less. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:I guess what I should be asking is what is the problem he's trying to get CCP to address through this, and what's wrong with the way these things are being handled right now?
if you are pertaining to this one...
The CSM are not actually the issue, there is something wrong with the way CCP actually handles things on their end. Even the CSM's have stated many times that they get ignored by CCP, that they say the same things over and over again and nothing comes of it.
It took a mass log off to get all of the little papercuts addressed, didn't it?
CCP needs to collect the information that they need in house, is my point.
They should know these things because it is their game and they are playing it...
EDIT:
So all of you people seeing "kill the CSM because of goons" everywhere, well you just can't see past your own noses.
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
22
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:The CSM are not actually the issue, there is something wrong with the way CCP actually handles things on their end. Even the CSM's have stated many times that they get ignored by CCP, that they say the same things over and over again and nothing comes of it.
It took a mass log off to get all of the little papercuts addressed, didn't it?
CCP needs to collect the information that they need in house, is my point.
They should know these things because it is their game and they are playing it....
So now rather than having players voice our opinions and force change... we just send CCP data and what.... twiddle our thumbs hoping for change?
You yourself have already admitted that the CSM isn't an issue, thus, this entire thread is completely pointless. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
355
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I guess what I should be asking is what is the problem he's trying to get CCP to address through this, and what's wrong with the way these things are being handled right now? if you are pertaining to this one... The CSM are not actually the issue, there is something wrong with the way CCP actually handles things on their end. Even the CSM's have stated many times that they get ignored by CCP, that they say the same things over and over again and nothing comes of it. It took a mass log off to get all of the little papercuts addressed, didn't it? CCP needs to collect the information that they need in house, is my point. They should know these things because it is their game and they are playing it... EDIT: So all of you people seeing "kill the CSM because of goons" everywhere, well you just can't see past your own noses.
I don't get it. CCP created the CSM. If they choose to ignore us, why wouldn't they choose to ignore your complicated voting/polling scheme?
We do get ignored by some folks in CCP, and some people actually listen very closely to what we say.
You also are making a gigantic leap in saying that CCP doesn't know about the issues that bother players. I would say that the stuff getting done for this winter is pretty darn good evidence that they know *exactly* what the playerbase wants, and are working their butts off to get it done.
You keep ignoring the question that the goons are asking, so I will try asking it. Why does the CSM need to be removed? Surely your polling/voting/whatever it is scheme could co-exist with the CSM?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Rer Eirikr wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:The CSM are not actually the issue, there is something wrong with the way CCP actually handles things on their end. Even the CSM's have stated many times that they get ignored by CCP, that they say the same things over and over again and nothing comes of it.
It took a mass log off to get all of the little papercuts addressed, didn't it?
CCP needs to collect the information that they need in house, is my point.
They should know these things because it is their game and they are playing it.... So now rather than having players voice our opinions and force change... we just send CCP data and what.... twiddle our thumbs hoping for change? You yourself have already admitted that the CSM isn't an issue, thus, this entire thread is completely pointless.
I guess that all of you don't realize that it was the mass subscription cancellations, not the CSM that changed CCP''s mind? If people did not mass quit and drop their revenue stream we would be trucking along happily into the next Incarna patch.
This---> the CSM are not "wrong"
They are just not working as intended.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
104
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
Quote:Surely your polling/voting/whatever it is scheme could co-exist with the CSM?
Yes it could be actually.
... and yet you're the first one to mention that.
You are the first CSM to not type a twitch response, and courteously suggest that it could co-mingle (rather easily) instead of just talking down to "yet another stupid pubbie with a problem and a stupid idea". CSM's are representatives of CCP and their business, and thus they should conduct themselves in a professional and courteous manner.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:39:00 -
[60] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:The CSM are not actually the issue, there is something wrong with the way CCP actually handles things on their end. Even the CSM's have stated many times that they get ignored by CCP, that they say the same things over and over again and nothing comes of it.
It took a mass log off to get all of the little papercuts addressed, didn't it?
CCP needs to collect the information that they need in house, is my point.
They should know these things because it is their game and they are playing it...
So, uh, the tools they have at their disposal right now isn't enough, so they need to add a polling thingy to their repertoire?
I mean, they have the CSM being very vocal about it, they have the players themselves being very vocal, they even have the gaming press covering it, but it was the unsubscription that did it so now they need to add polling into the mix instead of, you know, trawling the forums (theirs and external)?
Do you have any idea how little time I spent on the characters after this one was made? I have 6 characters total, 1 which I spent some time on, the rest are just "eh press random and let me get the **** out of here" when it became mandatory. And you expect me to actually spend time somewhere to fill out a questionaire, or even think up my own questions?
Eternum Praetorian wrote:So all of you people seeing "kill the CSM because of goons" everywhere, well you just can't see past your own noses.
I don't know about the others, but I'm seeing "replacing the csm" in the title. Why? |
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