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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
17
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Posted - 2011.10.31 08:40:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:MaiLina KaTar wrote:Don't backpedal now chickenshit. Who is backpedaling? You.
Now that you see your usual slander failing you're trying to maneuver yourself out of what you got yourself into. Not gonna happen, though. Wrong address. Send me and Praetorian your TS or Skype credentials so we can both tell you in person what a dumb little ***** you are. And since our friend DarkStar here decided to chime in on that little tirade of yours he's free to join, of course.
You decided to open up that gate. Now step through. Otherwise you've just proven that you're nothing but a f*ed up little coward.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Stop trying so hard. I'm not trying ****. I'm calling you out. Seeing you squirm like the ***** you are makes it all the more fun.
So what's up. Scared now, Goon alt? |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
31
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:51:00 -
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So.. so children.... No need to figth over spilled milk. Damage is done. bf3 anyone ? |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
108
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:12:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:So.. so children.... No need to figth over spilled milk. Damage is done. bf3 anyone ?
I know I am having fun Angry troll bumps are the best bumps for my fantastic idea!!
So much anger... So much rage... So mad bra...
Oh so mad....
& over what... Collecting demographics! lol People have some ****** up opinions, seriously. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.10.31 21:45:00 -
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MaiLina KaTar, did we scare Lady Harlot away?
Say it ain't so! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
17
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Posted - 2011.11.01 08:32:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:MaiLina KaTar, did we scare Lady Harlot away? Say it ain't so! As expected. Punks like him always run when you call 'em out.
But ey Harlot! Just be aware you're officially labeled a gutless little b*** now. The offer still stands! Let me know when you've grown out of your girl blouse to take responsibility for the **** you talk, coward. |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.11.01 09:26:00 -
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You know, talking to yourself is a first sign.
Btw, if you want to prove you are not alt of whatever, there is an easier, more efficient and trustworthy method than TS servers. Its called API key.
ofc no one will bother making a date with some pubbie shitposter to prove something. Well unless you offer to bring flowers and champagne. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:47:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Lrn 2 read Please, learn to spell.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:If you are too stupid to find said answers yourself, have a relative unplug your life-support because there is little hope for the return of normal cognitive function. Ah. The obligatory insult. Edgy.
You still haven't answered either of my questions, though, all you do is write a longwinded first post, then whenever someone disagrees with you, you retort with "You're reading it wrong. Read it again.". Except no matter how many times we read all your posts, there's no answer forthcoming to our questions.
Take my two questions, 1) why should users have to continuously vote on issues which, given the wording of the alternatives, would probably easily be classified as biasing towards whatever CCP wants to hear, and 2) why should the CSM be replaced (whether or not that's the current CSM, or CSM the process itself). I haven't seen you even come close to answering those two questions, all you do is evade and/or insult.
To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if you actually grasp what the CSM is currently being used for by CCP. This is what an acual CSM guy has to say about it:
Two step wrote:Very little of the CSM duties could be replaced by some sort of complicated polling system (which, BTW, would get even lower participation than the CSM elections. People only had to vote once for those, not tens or hundreds of times for your proposal).
A fair amount of our work is having CCPers show us an idea for an upcoming release and get feedback on it, before they go public and destabilize markets/**** people off. A lot of our work is at the summits where we can brainstorm and discuss ideas in detail. Neither of these two would be possible with your system. So, again, why implement a ton of voting which'll probably either get ignored or filled with rubbish data, and why replace the CSM (whether that be the people or the process)? |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:59:00 -
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And for tonight's episode, watch Lord Zim ignore eight full pages of answering his questions!
Meanwhile, Eternum laughs as his post is bumped to the top once again. Continue watching, just 2 more pages until this becomes an official threadnaught of how people don't like collecting demographic data from EVE's player base. Winning! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:02:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:You know, talking to yourself is a first sign.
Btw, if you want to prove you are not alt of whatever, there is an easier, more efficient and trustworthy method than TS servers. Its called API key.
ofc no one will bother making a date with some pubbie shitposter to prove something. Well unless you offer to bring flowers and champagne.
And now, to show the world how stupid you really are... I will just point out that if you have more then one account an API check won't work, where as two distinctive voices on a teamspeak will demonstrate two people beyond any shadow of a doubt.
So guess what... You now sound suspicious like a pubbie shitposter who has no clue about what he is talking about. ZING!! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:05:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: And now, to show the world how stupid you really are... I will just point out that if you have more then one account an API check won't work, where as two distinctive voices on a teamspeak will demonstrate two people beyond any shadow of a doubt.
I guess if we assume you have no real life friends or acquaintances and have managed to completely alienate your family then yeah. |
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:07:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: And now, to show the world how stupid you really are... I will just point out that if you have more then one account an API check won't work, where as two distinctive voices on a teamspeak will demonstrate two people beyond any shadow of a doubt.
I guess if we assume you have no real life friends or acquaintances and have managed to completely alienate your family then yeah.
Diff IP addresses yo. fo shizzle.
& I don't know about you, but my computer doesn't use two microphones in order to speak into a single teamspeak. So yea, you fail too. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:08:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:You know, talking to yourself is a first sign.
Btw, if you want to prove you are not alt of whatever, there is an easier, more efficient and trustworthy method than TS servers. Its called API key.
ofc no one will bother making a date with some pubbie shitposter to prove something. Well unless you offer to bring flowers and champagne. You're obviously Harlot's alt and API don't prove anything.
See? I can play that same dumb game on you pricks.
Man up. Take the challenge. Otherwise stop ******* around and accept the fact that you're a bunch of cowards. Soon as somebody calls your asses out you bail an run. You've got no arguments and no spine and this thread proves it.
I'm offering you multiple ways to expose me as the alt you accuse me of being, despite the fact that a simple evesearch on my name would instantly show you I'm not. Yet you don't do it. Why? Cause you know you ****** up. Also, Skype convo would probably prove that it is in fact Harlot who's the alt here. Either that, or he's just another alliance maggot who got his leader **** so far up is behind that I'm practically talking to his d*head right now. |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Red Templar wrote:You know, talking to yourself is a first sign.
Btw, if you want to prove you are not alt of whatever, there is an easier, more efficient and trustworthy method than TS servers. Its called API key.
ofc no one will bother making a date with some pubbie shitposter to prove something. Well unless you offer to bring flowers and champagne. And now, to show the world how stupid you really are... I will just point out that if you have more then one account an API check won't work, where as two distinctive voices on a teamspeak will demonstrate two people beyond any shadow of a doubt. So guess what... You now sound suspicious like a pubbie shitposter who has no clue about what he is talking about. ZING!! What stops me from asking a corp mate to act as a second voice? Just to prove some **** to the "stupid goonies"? And how does the ******* different IP proves that its not your friend? Oh wait. Right. Internet works like this, as soon as you get a friend, your IP becomes same like his. Forgot about that detail. And ofc there is no such things as proxies, that would be ridiculous.
On the other hand, if you are completely different characters, you should have no associations with each other whatsoever. No trades, no isk flow. And unlike voice check, you cannot set it up, if there was already some interactions there. You cannot remove them.
And no, im not a harlot alt. And i dont give a frack about your childish squablle here. But if you want to prove something to someone on the internets so much (OMG LOLZ!), then you can send me your API with roles to check transactions between characters.
PS. if Harlot can speak russian/estonian, then i will be happy to be his alt :D For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:42:00 -
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Quote:And no, im not a harlot alt. And i dont give a frack about your childish squablle here.
Then never stop posting about it... Remember, we are only talking about demographics and how that would benefit CCP, over only having an elected council system of biased gaming nerds.
Quote:On the other hand, if you are completely different characters, you should have no associations with each other whatsoever. No trades, no isk flow. And unlike voice check, you cannot set it up, if there was already some interactions there. You cannot remove them.
BTW this is an assumption and mostly bullshit... just saying. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:55:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:...
But if you want to prove something to someone on the internets so much (OMG LOLZ!), then you can send me your API with roles to check transactions between characters.
... Oh stfu.
I didn't start this stupid little game, but I'll be happy to end it cause that's how I'm wired. Harlot obviously isn't, cause he's avoiding this thread like the plague now that I'm putting his slanderous on the line.
Point taken on the API thing though. That didn't cross my mind. So here's a public key, valid until 11/02/2011: 273148; y8jW7IGFVIf1iq6GIa2OTAa1QNxErqvqs4Bf1QOOjeVnB5voqtHfIrB9bzchcdWK. You will find the name Praetorian in there not once.
Yes I'm posting this here in public just to make sure everyone here gets the point. Try ******* around with me I'll call your ass out. Discuss the points. Don't be a little ***** and try ad-hominems just cause you can't come up with proper arguments. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:10:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:And for tonight's episode, watch Lord Zim ignore eight full pages of answering his questions! No. No, they don't. Every time you're pushed for specifics, you evade or insult. Every time.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:No one will answer a pole unless CCP paid them per question (even if it was a small amount) then tons of people will be willing to do it won't they? I hear getting paid for "answering" a pole is completely unrelated to internet spaceships, and illegal in most states. Oh wait, you meant poll. My bad.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Yep. Yep, they would. ISK for demographics... fair trade. So let's see about this then? How much of an isk faucet would polling have to become, do you think, for people to want to spend whatever amount of time it takes to answer each and every poll? |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:And for tonight's episode, watch Lord Zim ignore eight full pages of answering his questions! No. No, they don't. Every time you're pushed for specifics, you evade or insult. Every time.
Look, I can't help it if you can't read. But could this be the page 10 post?
Nope! But I bet your next one will propel this thread into threadnaught stardom! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:So let's see about this then? How much of an isk faucet would polling have to become, do you think, for people to want to spend whatever amount of time it takes to answer each and every poll?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:14:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So let's see about this then? How much of an isk faucet would polling have to become, do you think, for people to want to spend whatever amount of time it takes to answer each and every poll?
1. You won't know until you try. 2. It depends on how many questions there are. 3. & a tiny amount will tend to motivate people, 50-100k per question per account would probably suffice and would not be any worse then missions or plexes.
Next question please. I am here all day apparently.
Q. why do YOU think it would be a big issue? Q. why do you think it can only be done in a way to make it a game breaking ISK faucet? Q. Hmm? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:24:00 -
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A. oh yea... you're just mindlessly trolling. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:55:00 -
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So how many questions do you anticipate a normal poll should have? And would these polls be an ingame thing, or something to do during login? |
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:46:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:So how many questions do you anticipate a normal poll should have? And would these polls be an ingame thing, or something to do during login? Personally I'd take the "during login" option. One question per poll. Possibly even in dialog form i.e. mandatory.
Yeah I know that would spawn some hate intially but once the designers at CCP start taking poll results into account I believe people would realize how drastically it improves their game, how efficient this kind of feedback loop is, and praise it as the best thing since sliced bread.
We do that sort of thing in my company with people who are really really good at datamining and these sorts of things and it works great (although we don't make it mandatory, yet). Design has direct access to sites where poll results are being presented pretty much in realtime, and they've become a central tool in their day to day business. Dealing with some 3.2m customers worldwide it seems to be the right thing to do. You want the feedback loop between your customers and your designers to be as tight as humanly possible. Whatever entitiy you add to that loop can dilute the flow of information and channel it in ways you don't anticipate and / or intend, thereby reducing the efficiency of the whole thing.
Looking at the whole CSM thing there are multiple entities doing this. First you have only a tiny fraction of your customers electing a council, and then that council channels information with a very strong bias. It then relays that information to a few persons within the company, you then relay it over to where it matters, again with a bias. This is just bound to fail and it does. In my opinion people, especially those involved in the whole thing, don't even realize how much it actually fails to handle the task it was created for.
Rewards aren't the right approach. People should be more than happy to take the polls based on their positive impact on the game. And that will happen if CCP put some competent people in charge of this. Statistics and polling is a complex field. You need some expertise in this field if you want to get meaningful results. You certainly don't do this with a bunch of armchair politicians. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:58:00 -
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Yes, because the best way to get a reliable, well thought out opinion on something is to stop people playing the game until they've answered. Everyone will definitely go research the issue in full before they click a random option. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:04:00 -
[174] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:So how many questions do you anticipate a normal poll should have? And would these polls be an ingame thing, or something to do during login?
1. A standardized format is not really something that I would claim to be able to come up with spur of the moment. In my OP I simply gave one possible example. Many formats are possible.
2. If it is a website attached to these forums, or if it is something that I can bring up in game like the map or esc options, the result would be the same. So it does not matter.
If I had a choice... I'd say in game or a new website all together, because too many people have been repelled from these forums forever. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:07:00 -
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QF win.
MaiLina KaTar wrote:
Looking at the whole CSM thing there are multiple entities doing this. First you have only a tiny fraction of your customers electing a council, and then that council channels information with a very strong bias. It then relays that information to a few persons within the company, you then relay it over to where it matters, again with a bias.
& that is what is wrong with the CSM.
It is not the people in it, or the people voting for it... what is "wrong" with it is simply by design. You can't allow a marketing gimmick named the "counsel of stellar management" to actually make game changing recommendations to developers. The Developers need to figure out what the players want through statistics and demographic gathering, and they need to be committed to doing so in house.
Or they need to hire professionals who can do it for them.
... I sense a new thread in general coming! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:26:00 -
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The problem I see with the polls is that if it's in-game, people like me (who'll make more isk than whatever poll can generate when logged out) will just flat out ignore it. If it's during login, people like me'll get pissed off and just select whatever they need to select just to get past it. It's not called polls online.
As to this:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:QF win. MaiLina KaTar wrote:
Looking at the whole CSM thing there are multiple entities doing this. First you have only a tiny fraction of your customers electing a council, and then that council channels information with a very strong bias. It then relays that information to a few persons within the company, you then relay it over to where it matters, again with a bias.
& that there is what is wrong with the CSM. It is not the people in it, or the people voting for it... what is "wrong" with it is simply by design. You can't allow a marketing gimmick named the "counsel of stellar management" to actually make game changing recommendations to developers. The Developers need to figure out what the players want through statistics and demographic gathering. So you've spent 9 pages evading answering exactly this question, and finally, when MaiLina KaTar does the job for you, you jump on it?
Ok. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:33:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:The problem I see with the polls is that if it's in-game, people like me (who'll make more isk than whatever poll can generate when logged out) will just flat out ignore it. If it's during login, people like me'll get pissed off and just select whatever they need to select just to get past it. It's not called polls online. As to this: Eternum Praetorian wrote:QF win. MaiLina KaTar wrote:
Looking at the whole CSM thing there are multiple entities doing this. First you have only a tiny fraction of your customers electing a council, and then that council channels information with a very strong bias. It then relays that information to a few persons within the company, you then relay it over to where it matters, again with a bias.
& that there is what is wrong with the CSM. It is not the people in it, or the people voting for it... what is "wrong" with it is simply by design. You can't allow a marketing gimmick named the "counsel of stellar management" to actually make game changing recommendations to developers. The Developers need to figure out what the players want through statistics and demographic gathering. So you've spent 9 pages evading answering exactly this question, and finally, when MaiLina KaTar does the job for you, you jump on it? Ok.
Obviously you can't read... As I have stated repeatedly.
That being said, he did put it well. Nice and wrapped up simple so even a kid with A.D.D would get the point. Naturally I can see how you would prefer that over you know... actually reading. Oh well.
P.S. you didn't answer any of my questions, did you? They have a neat little "Q" in front of them so even you could not have missed it. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:01:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:That being said, he did put it well. Nice and wrapped up simple so even a kid with A.D.D would get the point. Naturally I can see how you would prefer that over you know... actually reading. Oh well. I just love how you literally never come back with a proper answer unless someone else thinks it up for you, all you do is try to insult. That's good posting right there.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:P.S. you didn't answer any of my questions, did you? They have a neat little "Q" in front of them so even you could not have missed it. Yes, I did answer them.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Q. why do YOU think it would be a big issue? Read this:
Lord Zim wrote:The problem I see with the polls is that if it's in-game, people like me (who'll make more isk than whatever poll can generate when logged out) will just flat out ignore it. If it's during login, people like me'll get pissed off and just select whatever they need to select just to get past it. It's not called polls online. Addendum: and all you'll get is data with questionable quality.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Q. why do you think it can only be done in a way to make it a game breaking ISK faucet? I didn't answer this, because this was just you putting words in my mouth. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
109
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:20:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So let's see about this then? How much of an isk faucet would polling have to become, do you think, for people to want to spend whatever amount of time it takes to answer each and every poll?
Why did you say faucet in the first place... Oh... your back peddling again.
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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:39:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Yes, because the best way to get a reliable, well thought out opinion on something is to stop people playing the game until they've answered. Everyone will definitely go research the issue in full before they click a random option. Useless sarcasm aside, yes it is. As long as you don't spam polls and as long as you keep the questions to the point and simple it works very well.
Surveys always have noise (see Lod Zim's post for some reasons) and there are always certain factors you're going to have to deal with. And that's precisely the reason why you hire smart people for the job and don't hand it off to a bunch of biased nerds after having them elected by a bunch of biased nerds. |
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