The CSM are not actually the issue.

Yes it could be actually.
... and yet you're the first one to mention that.



You are the first CSM to not type a twitch response, and courteously suggest that it could co-mingle (rather easily) instead of just talking down to "yet another stupid pubbie with a problem and a stupid idea". CSM's are representatives of CCP and their business, and thus they should conduct themselves in a professional and courteous manner.

Gotta love how he's now telling CSM member's how their own position works.

This thread has actually been very informative for me so thx for that.
I think I get "it" now.


Please continue to put this thread to the top of the Jita speakers section for as long as you want to.

If a player sees the CSM tag and thinks they are a CCP rep then they are wrong.

Just because someone thinks I am the pope doesn't make it so.

CSMs are player advocates, liasons to CCP on behalf of the players, they are the players voice, not CCP's voice to the players. ISDs and GMs are completely different to the CSM.

If the CSM were reps of CCP then I am sure Hilmar would have fired half of them for the agitation they've been raising (on behalf of us) the last 6 months.

If you think the CSM is a rep of CCP, then you're just wrong, sorry.

Because what you think that post means, is not what you are inferring that it means.

What you think does not matter in this case, because it is what it is.

Demographics

EVE Online needs demographic oversight at the corporate level in Iceland. Professionals need to be gathering data and applying it to the game play, not just taking a few peoples word for it. We also need some mechanism that will allow CCP to collect this data, and I don't mean these garbage forums. We need poles, info on who lives where and why they are living there. EVE needs to be analyzed in a more scientific way in order to better it and take it into the next decade.


We do not need people buying a CSM seat with Plex's or large alliances exploiting a voting system with multiple accounts. We need much better CCP oversight of their own game and we need realistic goals and expansions based upon what the Demographics reveal about EVE Online.

It's the same thing, so try thinking before you post.

Ultimately Himlar thinks that the CSM is too one sided as a "Nullsec Focus Group" and he will be keeping them until the end of the year. After that we will see what happens

We need poles

Thank you for telling us what Hilmar thinks. You can read minds now too? What he said, and what you just said, have a very fine line between them.

And he never said he will be "keeping them untill the end of the year". its not his place to "keep" any of the CSM. They have their term until the end of the year, no matter what Hilmar "thinks". And they they are going to have a meeting with CSM, and discuss things, including these concerns.

I have your designated pole right here in my pants.

Meh... Semantics.
It is what it is.

It is what it is.
Its twisting the words for your own benefit. You have your own view on the problem, and you try to push it on the others as the "right one". And you try to put words in the mouth of others, so it would seem they support you. And the worst thing... you fail at this.

It's about poles and needles.

We need better information...
Not more opinions and semantics.

In other words, you got nothing.


So you, uh, propose to get at this information by ignoring the information CCP already has at their fingertips, which is verifiable if they're just not being incompetent about it, and go for the opinions of players who can actually be arsed to spend their time filling out questionaires instead of playing the game?

I see literally no way this can go badly.

No you have it all wrong and I am tired of explaining it to you.

So take this napkin (* RP hands napkin) wipe the drool from your bottom lip, and move along.

U clearly do not have the understanding required to post commentary in my brilliant thread of "excellence"