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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:48:00 -
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Someone above posted about all the abandoned cans in systems now.
So we get a drone nerf, to reduce the amount of items in space and swap it for a bunch of cans that lazy folks leave behind 'cause they aren't interested in cleaning up the battlefield.
IMHO, the rat loot cans should have some kind of timer on them such that they revert to public access. For newbies, cleaning up someone else's battlefield mess is a good source of revenue - they should not fear someone's going to kill them for doing it.
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Mimio
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:56:00 -
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I wrote may be ten times that flagging is most idiotic idea . Cannot imagine honest people having some advantage from this idea. But it is quite useful for macrominers, farmers and griefers.
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Kay Brack
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:05:00 -
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You guys worry too much about nubes. The people baiting with "free stuff" cans though are pretty lame. I suppose though if they were not occupied killing velators then they would be off in <0.5 hunting haulers.
Being a nube myself i can tell you the best way to help us is by giving advice and letting us learn some crap the hard way. The can rule is fine even on day one in this game i "knew" i shouldn't take stuff that wasn't mine.
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:12:00 -
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To All,
Ok, I am a noob still, only about 1 1/2 month old, but doing well and enjoying the game. But I want to throw my 2 cents in about this whole can-flagging thing - it is a tragedy.
When I first started, one of the things that really helped me (and was really fun) was jumping from system to system on my little courier runs and seeing abandoned cans that had been left by someone who either finished a mission or who deliberately left goodies out of the kindness of their hearts (for guys like me). Sometimes it was ammo, shield extenders, or PDS units - all things that I needed and used. I also sold some things for ISK I desperately needed. Then, I actually remember finding a few cans in high sec space (but sparsely populated) that had some VERY nice treasures (tech II), right next to the gates, clearly left as a present for someone to find. And I received substantial ISK from abandoned cans after various persons completed missions and CLEARLY abandoned their lot cans for the taking.
I can honestly say that I was hoping to be able to do this for years to come, and in return, after becoming an experienced player, "do unto others" and pass on a little help to noobs in this very fun way.
Well, no more! Thank you CCP. IMHO, this can flagging thing is absurd and has destroyed one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game that made long trips quite fun (you never knew what you might find along the way). I can no longer take stuff, nor can I give stuff, in this way. And even if cans are truly abandoned by mission completers, you still can't take them because you just never know.
And even though a warning comes up, there is soooo much to learn about the game, that a noob could easily not quite understand the ramifications of what he is doing -- and certainly not think that someone is deliberately seting him up in their cloaked thorax 20KM out and watching his every move. Not good. This seems to not have been thought out very well at all.
Now, we have loot cans LITTERING and I mean littering the stargates. I flew through numerous systems last night and could barely get to the gates because of all the cans lying around everywhere. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
That's my noob rant. Free loot cans really helped me out as a noob, but alas, it seems they will help no one else, and I will never know the fun of dropping a few cans of presents for people at gates. sigh.
eleuthereus
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:16:00 -
[65]
 Originally by: Dak Hakin
yeah you would have to be a real moron if you just ignore the pop-up. I found a jet-can full of modules last night, and I thought for sure there was someone stealthing... But they were not in local 
Means NOTHING.
You are flagged to their CORP. Which IS checkable.
You are flagged to their GANG. Which IS NOT checkable.
Sigh.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:18:00 -
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Omg, the irony.
"wtf? He took my stuff!!!"
'No, you jetisoned it. That means it is garbage you didn't want.'
"That's not fair - I want to kill him"
Can flagging introduced.
"wtf? look at all the litter."
AAaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhHH!!!!!!!!
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:21:00 -
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You have to be a total loser to go grief noobs this way.
If you change the name of the can to "free stuff" and then kill people taking your "free stuff" then IMHO you are exploiting the game mechanics.
If it's just a normal jet can where the name hasn't been changed and you wait for someone to "steal" from your can, then it isn't an exploit as far as I'm concerned but it is a nasty way of abusing the game mechanics.
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Vinnie Paul
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:25:00 -
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My suggestion to GM was simply to pick the can baiter and his cans up and drop him in HED , let him see how his game plays out there.
Shooting noobs in high security space no matter which of the game mechanics is employed to do it is lame. Much respect given to PVP players who ply their trade in 0.0 space , been there done that and its not easy. Anyone in game long enough to pilot cloaked ships , battleships and the like that can find nothing better to do than shooting Ibis's with their ravens are truly pathetic. Thats not PVP its just target practice.
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Deltas Hand
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Deltas Hand on 17/12/2005 17:35:57
Oh boo hoo... whiners
Yes the baiting griefing idiots are utter morons for doing so but you all whined for flagging since the start of time and now you have it your still whining.
Im glad that I now have the ability to shoot and toast that annoying little fool in a hauler coming for my hard mined ores....
Come on you get a warning FFS before you commit the action - Its been said if you are too stupid to notice it then dont whine when you get wasted...
Newbies scavving left overs on the battlefield... Sure we should be able to flag things public but you should go kill your own stuff rather than want to steal mine...
As for those complaining it creates MORE waste in space... let us not forget that CANS POP AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.....
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:45:00 -
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Being able to set a toggle for "claim cans" or not would be nice.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:47:00 -
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This is funny... Within an hour after RMR went live we made about a half dozen people fall for this trick...
The best I saw was a guy in State War Academy was sitting outside a station in a Vindicator offering free skillbooks to anyone who wanted them...
Then his gang would gank any1 who grabbbed a skill...
But all you miners wanted a way to combat ore thieves... Now miners will be the ones who suffer most from this change... But if you're looking for fight like we are, ITS ALL GOOD!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Evit Retsal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
If you lose a ship because you cannot read a message then the ship loss is the least of your problems.
Why aren't more people realizing ^^^this^^^. The change to jet-cans was publicly announced, cans are auto-marked with your corp ticker symbol, and you're given a confirmation box to confirm that you're serious about emptying the can in question. What's so difficult to understand here?
You're playing a game with completely open PvP (yes, i'll shoot you down in concord space if i feel like it, some days the value of a ship means absolutely nothing to me, that's the risk YOU are taking by playing this game - the risk that there might be people like me out there in space with you today). It should be obvious that you are literally taking your own life in your hands every time you interact with a "stranger" in this game.
Someone wants to offer you a gift? Are you having second thoughts about this person's integrity? Something in your gut whispering "don't open the box!" to you? Then don't be an idiot! Don't open the box. Tell them to escrow it to you at the nearest station for the price of 1.00 ISK. What's so freakin' hard about that???? There's more than one way to give someone something in this game, passing things back and forth in jet-cans is NOT the only option.
And even then, there's an inherent work-around already in place for this, which an earlier poster to this thread already mentioned. Receiver drops 1 unit of anything (ore, ammo, whatever), and the giver simply puts the gift into the receiver's can. Complicated, i know, but i'll bet anyone smart enough to survive in EVE is smart enough to master the technique.
That being said, i must also agree that there should probably be a cool-down timer on NPC-dropped cans which are abandoned by players. Should be a simple thing to implement, and will reduce NPC-can litter, because everyone will go back to cleaning up after people who leave them behind.
In addition, i must also agree that this sort of can-baiting is cheap, dirty, and under-handed. All we can do to combat it at this point is to discourage it, and the only way to do that is to ALWAYS take names, and when people pull this kind of crap on you, then make sure you seek the vengeance you're entitled to.
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eve's lover
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:00:00 -
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This is so funny, you cearbears all complain about ppl stealing your loot from lvl 4 missions and ppl stealing your ore from your cans, now u are complaining that ppl are exploting this idear that ccp came up with the "can flagging". Come on, if u dont want ppl stealing your cans move to low sec where u can shoot back or do your missions in systems that dont have 300+ ppl in. Adapt or die.
Yer there are loads of added stuff that i hate in this patch but at the end of the day i just adapt and learn to deal with it. CCP gave u guys what u wanted, so Live with it.
I recon in need to head to high sec and test this out. 
Eve warrior
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:08:00 -
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This game penalizes the weak minded and stupid.
If you go randomly looting **** in belts, then you've been awarded with the right to get popped.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
This is funny... Within an hour after RMR went live we made about a half dozen people fall for this trick...
The best I saw was a guy in State War Academy was sitting outside a station in a Vindicator offering free skillbooks to anyone who wanted them...
Then his gang would gank any1 who grabbbed a skill...
But all you miners wanted a way to combat ore thieves... Now miners will be the ones who suffer most from this change... But if you're looking for fight like we are, ITS ALL GOOD!
No offence but how does picking a fight with a new player in their tier 1 frigate offer you a good fight or make you isk when they drop their civilian gear? I can imagine some nice mining traps though for ore theives so Miners will benefit, the loosers will be the new players who fall for this. Maybe it should be put into the tutorial.
Anyone griefing starting players has to be a complete idiot to be honest as that will kill Eve.
El Presedente
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: eve's lover
This is so funny, you cearbears all complain about ppl stealing your loot from lvl 4 missions and ppl stealing your ore from your cans, now u are complaining that ppl are exploting this idear that ccp came up with the "can flagging". Come on, if u dont want ppl stealing your cans move to low sec where u can shoot back or do your missions in systems that dont have 300+ ppl in. Adapt or die.
Yer there are loads of added stuff that i hate in this patch but at the end of the day i just adapt and learn to deal with it. CCP gave u guys what u wanted, so Live with it.
I recon in need to head to high sec and test this out.
Eve warrior
There is nothing more carebear than using can flagging to kill new players whilst sitting in your battleship in a high sec system. Am sure we'll see the killboards flooded with 'pirates' who never leave NPC corps or high sec and have 1000's of kills of ibis's now. 
El Presedente
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Morberis
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
Maybe devs should make a news item warning everyone...? Lots of people are falling for it.
Maybe even work this into the tutorial at some point?
The system is very good - except that new players without the knowledge how the system works can be tricked into getting killed. This is all about lack of information. So, instead of rolling back on a good system, how about trying to get the information out?
Coming from the point of a trial member something in the tutorial would be nice. I know all you people know how bad it can be, but when you just started the game your not aware just how bad it can be. A post in these forums might not help so much because alot of ppl that try the trial don't look here at all, or take a few days to do so. With the flood of info your fed right when you join its not surprising noobs fall for something like this.
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Silberhaar
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:20:00 -
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There is another possible bug around. When a Concord or Police shoots someone down, the stuff from him is now flagged with the NPC CORP. Which results that the stuff can no longer be taken by anyone.
A simple solution is to put a 15 min timer on all jettisoned and loot cans. When the timer runs out then the conti can be looted by everyone with no flagging. Don't forget that secure containers are permanently protected. This will helps everyone!
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:20:00 -
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I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if I repeat someone else but....
How many times did it take you (as a noob) to learn that if you shoot someone in empire you die a horrible concordogeddon death?
Now how many times do you think it will take noobs to learn they cannot take whats not thiers? (Even if the can is labelled 'free stuff')
End of story!
Toph.
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:23:00 -
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How about having the option to set cans as 'anyones' therefore still allowing the sharing of stuff and helping of newbs?
Then simply have an icon on a can that indicates whether your allowed to take from it or not.
Toph.
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Silberhaar
A simple solution is to put a 15 min timer on all jettisoned and loot cans. When the timer runs out then the conti can be looted by everyone with no flagging. Don't forget that secure containers are permanently protected. This will helps everyone!
Also a good idea..
Toph.
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Drake Mezcal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:24:00 -
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i think its a good idea to hav the loot cans owned by you, but maybe if u warped out then the go public, so u can leave what u dont want for noobs etc, and anythin u do want make sure u get it before u leave
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Evit Retsal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: eve's lover
This is so funny, you cearbears all complain about ppl stealing your loot from lvl 4 missions and ppl stealing your ore from your cans, now u are complaining that ppl are exploting this idear that ccp came up with the "can flagging". Come on, if u dont want ppl stealing your cans move to low sec where u can shoot back or do your missions in systems that dont have 300+ ppl in. Adapt or die.
Yer there are loads of added stuff that i hate in this patch but at the end of the day i just adapt and learn to deal with it. CCP gave u guys what u wanted, so Live with it.
I recon in need to head to high sec and test this out.
Eve warrior
There is nothing more carebear than using can flagging to kill new players whilst sitting in your battleship in a high sec system. Am sure we'll see the killboards flooded with 'pirates' who never leave NPC corps or high sec and have 1000's of kills of ibis's now.
And this will show all those people who monitor those killboard's, that all these lame pirates are doing is shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun. i'm sure that all those people on those killboards will be really impressed by that, thus encouraging the lame-O pirates to do it even more often.
*snort*
If you do ONE simple thing, which is: pay attention; then you won't be a victim of this sort of piracy.
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Drake Mezcal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:27:00 -
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do u get flagged for takin a players can in pvp? i meanis it rightfully ur can or theirs?
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:33:00 -
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having a switch to make a jettisoned item "public" sounds like a good idea but I'm wondering if it's even possible, given that a jettisoned item isn't really a permanent thing.
Plus, say you are doing a mission and want to leave all the loot for whoever might want it...gonna fly around and right click on all of them?
My first week of play, I was trying to build a ship out of a bpc that dropped for me...I was low on zydrine, someone in the noob channel offered to give me some to help me out. We were outside the same station and he just jettisoned the mins and I picked em up. That spirit of giving and aid to noobs isn't going to happen anymore because 75% of the time it's going to be a trap.
I saw people hovering outside Rens BTT the moment RMR launched, sitting around in battleships dropping cans in front of the station exit. It was really sad.
This was a tool to prevent malicious acts, and instantly people are using it maliciously. What a bunch of crap!
This game is for strategy, daring and planning, building empires. There is no glory in blowing up noob ships. People like that need to be playing Quake 3 Arena or something. You can have a "frag board." It'll be "leet."
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Abvrasious
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:35:00 -
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oh man, if you name your jetcan "free stuff" and trap noobs with that then you are a gigantic looser, simple.
Lol, but reading this thread wants me to try it once. Might be kind of fun taking out a Bantam on his ship control tutorial from 65km out. :) I will compensate, I just want to do it lol.
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Nirwana Vaughn
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Posted - 2005.12.17 19:36:00 -
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i reckon that when u jettison u shud have an "Available to All" or "Available to Corp/Gang" or summat like on secure tins so that if players want to give stuff away to noobs in space then they can be, then the tins can be tagged differently in overview if they are freely available for the taking so that noobs can tell the difference.
if noobs still take the stuff then its their own fault and deserve to be shot
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Nirwana Vaughn
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Posted - 2005.12.17 19:36:00 -
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i reckon that when u jettison u shud have an "Available to All" or "Available to Corp/Gang" or summat like on secure tins so that if players want to give stuff away to noobs in space then they can be, then the tins can be tagged differently in overview if they are freely available for the taking so that noobs can tell the difference.
if noobs still take the stuff then its their own fault and deserve to be shot
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Vzae
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Posted - 2005.12.17 19:37:00 -
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I was the one who got my Wolf destroyed in Oursuleart. What was weird was I was tagged even though I was not stealing anything and jusy viewing the cans. Yes I did saw the warning so I canceled the transfer and no transfer went through. I was still tagged. So if I am not wrong, you are tagged even for viewing the cans.
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Vzae
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Posted - 2005.12.17 19:37:00 -
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I was the one who got my Wolf destroyed in Oursuleart. What was weird was I was tagged even though I was not stealing anything and jusy viewing the cans. Yes I did saw the warning so I canceled the transfer and no transfer went through. I was still tagged. So if I am not wrong, you are tagged even for viewing the cans.
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