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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.17 07:51:00 -
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Hopefully this is the right forum to write this. Some more experianced people are exploiting the "Kill Rights" option to trap mainly newbies. They seem to dump containers in space, some of these containers are even named as "Free Stuff", then they wait for a newbie, who are still getting used to the game, to pick up the container, (which is technically theft), which allows the exploiter to have "Kill Rights" against the newbie, because the exploiters property has just been stolen.
Hopefully I made myself clear enough about what is happening.
IMHO I think this sould be stoped.
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.17 07:53:00 -
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kill rights is for when you get podkilled in empire by suiciders or snipers. what you described is just can flagging, and with the VERY OBVIOUS POPUP WARNING that announces that you're about to become attackable, anyone who falls for it deserves it.
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dark sea
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Posted - 2005.12.17 07:58:00 -
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oh man, if you name your jetcan "free stuff" and trap noobs with that then you are a gigantic looser, simple.
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Foose
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:02:00 -
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 Originally by: dark sea
oh man, if you name your jetcan "free stuff" and trap noobs with that then you are a gigantic looser, simple.
Ditto
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Beth Young
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Beth Young on 17/12/2005 08:09:51
This also has the added disadvantage (that I've experienced a bit of tonight) of noobs not trusting you when you're genuinely trying to help out. There should be a way to mark a container as public (without the ability to turn it back into an owned can) so that it's blatantly obvious what's bait and what's honest freebies.
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Arti K
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:10:00 -
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Oh man that's funny 
More pvp for everyone \o/
Originally by: Skzcaptain
0.0 is a huge dueling zone.
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Beth Young
Edited by: Beth Young on 17/12/2005 08:09:51
This also has the added disadvantage (that I've experienced a bit of tonight) of noobs not trusting you when you're genuinely trying to help out. There should be a way to mark a container as public (without the ability to turn it back into an owned can) so that it's blatantly obvious what's bait and what's honest freebies.
Dock in a station, trade items...
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:11:00 -
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Usually I just click Do Not Show again whenever there's a pop-up and I know what I'm doing...
This is the ONLY one I will NEVER EVER do that with! It can lead to a lot of bad situations if I just pop a can without noticing the corp ticker on it and it saved my ship not only once but TWICE last night. So this warning SHOULD be sufficient to anyone, even new players. If they ignore it, it's their own stupidity and not an exploit...
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Beth Young
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Beth Young on 17/12/2005 08:13:55
Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Dock in a station, trade items...
It's generally not that serious of a thing. Gathering up loot to leave out for whoever, scraps of minerals/ore to help a noobish passerby, stuff like that.
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:16:00 -
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If you want to securely trade with someone but dont want to dock to do it, quickly form a gang.
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Beth Young
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:18:00 -
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I'm usually in a gang with other people when I do this and generally dont want to add the noob. =]
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:40:00 -
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word of warning for would be lootpickers... there MIGHT be a cloaked ship (bomber) just waiting for an opportunity.
guess im giving lots of people ideas too, but "everybody" should know now then..
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:41:00 -
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i olrady made a topic aboud this 2 weeks before rmr.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:47:00 -
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It's hardly an exploit. There's a huge warning that appears and explains that if they take the stuff they can be fired at by the owner.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2005.12.17 08:50:00 -
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Maybe devs should make a news item warning everyone...? Lots of people are falling for it.
Maybe even work this into the tutorial at some point?
The system is very good - except that new players without the knowledge how the system works can be tricked into getting killed. This is all about lack of information. So, instead of rolling back on a good system, how about trying to get the information out?
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:05:00 -
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hehe i have done this in ours its fun However only attack the ships who stole you can not his drones then you get killed by concord
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:18:00 -
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Like all of the above posters have already stated - There is an obvious warning requiring player acknowledgment before they become flagged. If someone is that stupid, they deserve to be killed. I think it is hillarious that people are actually that stupid, and I fully support those who are punishing them for it.
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Piotr Anatolev
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
hehe i have done this in ours its fun However only attack the ships who stole you can not his drones then you get killed by concord
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KHEN
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:22:00 -
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killing noobs = killing EVE in the mean time.
Ccp will always need new subscribers to compensate those who leave the game
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
Maybe devs should make a news item warning everyone...? Lots of people are falling for it.
Maybe even work this into the tutorial at some point?
Are you the guy that lobbied for the law requiring that big huge tag on hair dryer cords that says warning: do not use while in the bath tub?
Stupid people deserve to suffer the consequences of thier own stupidity.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:23:00 -
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yeah you would have to be a real moron if you just ignore the pop-up. I found a jet-can full of modules last night, and I thought for sure there was someone stealthing... But they were not in local
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Beth Young
Edited by: Beth Young on 17/12/2005 08:09:51
This also has the added disadvantage (that I've experienced a bit of tonight) of noobs not trusting you when you're genuinely trying to help out. There should be a way to mark a container as public (without the ability to turn it back into an owned can) so that it's blatantly obvious what's bait and what's honest freebies.
If you want to give something to someone, they can drop a piece of ammo and you can dump the items in their can. Haven't tried it, but I think that would be a suitable workaround.
Also, can flagging gives players the option to do 1v1s in high sec!
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Inspiration on 17/12/2005 09:32:41
It will problably also be a problem for miners, when they want to pick up their own can, yet it ain't theirs! Someone will have moved the ore into his own Jetcan and is nearby in a BS and will go in for the kill, taking out ship of the player that comes back for 'HIS' own ore. The realy offending player will be richer a few best named cargo expanders!
Most miners won't have any defense against this, they dont have the skill to make use of the kill rights, yet the thief has and will make use of it. In short nothing has been done to fix this kind of can thiefing....it made it just more popular!
I remember someone predicting this a while back!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:41:00 -
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No, it's not an exploit; yes, it is griefing; and I don't understand what's "stupid" about believing someone when he tells you he's giving you stuff for free. On that basis, nobody can ever have any corpmembers because nobody can be trusted.
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Idio T
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:49:00 -
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have to chime in.
The container needs a public or private flag. Personally, I donĘt feel itĘs an exploit, but certainly a headache.
(While in the office today, I had to "form a gang" with the guy in the other cubical to just borrow a pen. Otherwise, I'd have the Joey the Printer guy shooting tech2 staples at me.)
IMO, this is a great concept, just needs a public/private flag.
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Szordin
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:51:00 -
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I think a bit of common sense, would tell you. That if you get a popup saying you can be attacked, then maybe you should think again before taking the stuff.
Just think before you act.
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:52:00 -
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Aww someones gotta video this stuff and add it to the 'darwin' awards
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.12.17 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: KHEN
killing noobs = killing EVE in the mean time.
naw, it's killing noobs = killing time in the mean EvE (universe).
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Claryssa Silverwing
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Posted - 2005.12.17 10:25:00 -
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For those who employ this tactic to kill noobies:
Seriously, how low can you sink? You've pretty much reached the bottom with this. 
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.17 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 17/12/2005 09:32:41
It will problably also be a problem for miners, when they want to pick up their own can, yet it ain't theirs! Someone will have moved the ore into his own Jetcan and is nearby in a BS and will go in for the kill, taking out ship of the player that comes back for 'HIS' own ore. The realy offending player will be richer a few best named cargo expanders!
Most miners won't have any defense against this, they dont have the skill to make use of the kill rights, yet the thief has and will make use of it. In short nothing has been done to fix this kind of can thiefing....it made it just more popular!
I remember someone predicting this a while back!
and the anti-gankers can bait the gankers by having a guy mine with cloaked gangmates nearby.
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