Is there any chance that the progression from gist large to gist x-large will be investigated?
At the moment, the gist c-type X-large is continuing the increase from cap efficiency compared to large, instead of being aligned with the meta level.

so gist large c < b < a < x < XL c < XL b etc.

instead of something more like

large c < XL c < L b < XL b etc.

Right now, the worst XL is just better comared to the best L. (in brackets: death to X-L dominance, needs nerfbat)

Last year in the armor tanking 1.5 thread I already said that medium and large armor reps need a reduction in cycle time and a reduction in capacitor use.

The reason why the medium tech2 armor rep + an 800mm plate works well in some cases is that you need the extra armor layer for the rep cycle to hit.

In case of the medium tech2 rep, a lot can happen in 7.7 seconds and 160gj on a 1600gj capacitor is very taxing.

If some people took thier time to read and comprehend, what I was proposing, they would realize that it wasn't unreasonable.

For the lazy one, here are some numbers to stare at:

zee current tech2 medium armor rep haz
15 seconds cycle time
needs 160gj capacitorz

wiz ma proposal iz wood be,
10 seconds cycle time
needs 80gj capacitorz

or in other wordz -33% cycle time and -50% capacitor usage for zee tech2 medium armor rep.

I waz noze talking about -º$%//%$" deadspace or -º%&$" officer reps.

That is reserved for Dust or other FPS games.

No, xlasb are bs modules, l are cruiser sized ones. A medium armor repper should in no way beat a large one (and it doesnt), same with the shield versions.

Btw, @ ccp, please fix deadspace armour repair systems, at least give centus and corpus a diiference, they both have exactly the same stats. And core is unbalanced.

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almost fell off my chair laughing...

You have to admit though that the fella's maths are right. -50% cap use for an armour repairer is dangerous.

A T2 fitted hyperion with gang links has (when all cap is coverted to repair cycles) about 360,000 ehp.

If you half the cap use, you increase that number to the order of 700,000 - actually a little more because now cap recharge becomes a factor.

I think we'd all have to agree that that's a little overwhelming.

The idea behind that was that a reduction in cycle time increases your capacitor usage a lot and since some ships benefit from having two reps fitted that reduction in cycle time will be hurting your capacitor, even if you inject cap boosters.

In case of the Hyperion,
the reduction of cycle time in addition to the capacitor usage would give your battleship mwd a little more cycles before capping you out.

A beam laser boats might like it even more since those beams tend to highly capaitor dependend, also even when injected.

Assuming I didn't think about what I was doing with these numbers is simply put false.

Imagine a cruiser - and leaving HACs out of this scenario - with a rep that uses less capacitor will help kiting a little longer with its mwd on.

Now about that reduced cycle time,
if I am not mistaken a tech2 medium armor rep with one accelerator rig will have a cycle time of 5.5 or 5.4 seconds instead of the 6.5 second it now has - with heat on.
Now imagine what will happen to your capacitor with the current 160gj capacitor usage.

I was simply putting numbers to some suitable ideas that were not coming from me alone.

Remember that all guns and missiles got buffed but armor reps cannot keep up with the damage you will find on the field before even one cycle can land.

An assumption about my level of intellingence with only taken one post into account is not viable.
You may have noticed that I posted in the forums even before last week.

And posting in a forum, in a language that is not my native language in emphasis to help active armor tanking on none bonussed, low capacitor ships is a courtesy of mine and should be taken as a token that I care.

I could insult you back but I will let it go this time.

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I am sorry I didn't mean to insult you I am just sick of people posting on the forums with purposely misspelled words in the attempt to look cool. I thought you had a very valid point you were making. I also noticed how the first half of your typing was accurate and proper and then you second half was that ****** speech. I also do not buy that posting in a forum, in a language not you own when you have proven at least 2 times that you can speak English properly is a total cop out. Like I said again your points are good but when you type like that people will not look at it or take you seriously.

That active armor rep Incursus will still explode if an artillery fit Rupture enters the vincinity and presses "fire" on her.
Or will cap out rapidly if a well flown kiting Kestrel keeps her range.
So in what phantasy world would that be op?

Really? An arty rupture, that's the way you measure it? And a slow ass kessie?
It's the combination that is powerfull, Incursus is already a fast ship, with very good damage with blasters or rails, nice projection, and a very good tank. All frigs that armor tank will benefit from this changes, but Incursus thanks to his armor rep bonus will benefit more. Do you really think that incursus, of all frigates, needs this extra buff?

I understand that this is a meta change, but other meta changes always brought minor touches to certain ships, this time there isn't any. What happened since the introduction of AAR? Too much to do? No time to think in possible consequences? Just put it live and will see what happens in a year or two with the excuse that we're waiting for the meta to settle in a game of constant meta changes?
If you are tired, just get some vacations and slow down a bit guys.

I will go even further - i think other ships may benefit from this change even more.
Story is simple - if you wasn't able to outbrawl incu before - you won't be able after this change. And if you was able to kite him to death before at scram range - you will still be doing this bro

you could do with tossing in a cap reduction change aswell especially on normal shield boosters as they use up soo much cap it forces you to use ASB's. And armour reps are so weak you have to use 2 reppers which just burns through cap .. the continuous armour reps vs boosting only makes sense when you sort out the cap issues.

Some ships will be stupidly overpowered with this changes.

The Incursus will destroy t1 frigate balance.

Just as the Deimos destroyed HAC balance...

The proposed changes for Shield boosters are overall bad imho,

While the gist boosters are already good, pith boosters are getting a major nerf, prices already dropped to almost nothing and no one will ever use those after 1.1.

Please reconsider: remove all shiedl boosters bonus or give pith boosters at least 15% or, better, 20-25% bonus to large and x-large ones.

LM

So I take it Pith "are" included in this now? They are listed as deadspace ingame under metagroup.




Do we have any updates on this? Changes going into effect in 4 days and no updates since Aug 7?

When he said, "let us know what you think", you will notice that he did not make a specific promise to act upon or respond to what you think.

It's like a manager saying, "my door is always open". It is open, but waste his f*cking time by going in there and giving him your worthless opinion on anything other than the awesomeness of his five point plan will just have him reaching for the HR guide to firing troublesome little sh*ts faster than you can blink.

But when he said Pith was not included was Aug 1, and changed the main thread Aug 7.

By the post Deadspace Large and X-Large (which includes Pith, Gist) will be buffed 10%.

No buff would make deadspace mods of little value.