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Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:52:00 -
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NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.
Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot.
Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No.
And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags.
Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing.
Excuse me for any grammatical errors. |
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:00:00 -
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How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.
At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough. |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:09:00 -
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Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:19:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.
At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.
Exactly how they can do this, I do not know but It seems when we access CCPs payment form, if we appear to be "Japan-based" (by IP may be ?), we are forced to jump to Nexons billing system or something.
Oh, and btw, the doraemon avatar isnt my alt. This Nexon thing is currently the hottest subject among the Japanese so it seems we have just posted about the same thing at the same time. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:22:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime?
They say we can. But that's not the issue. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:23:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.
At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.
This, why not buy timecards online, or plex or whatever. CCP can't forbid you to do that can they? Being forced through ONE way to buy subs if your allready subs is WRONG. It would make me stop playing (if I where japanese) tbh. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:23:00 -
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stupid forums - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:29:00 -
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Texty wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? They say we can. But that's not the issue.
Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:35:00 -
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Its :fearless: to bend over to Nexon apparently.
Hopefully this gets fixed. |
Goodwill George
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:39:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote: Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.
Nexon doesn't have a very good reputation, and I'd imagine quite a few players would be dislike paying their subs through them. While this seems like a non-issue for us outsiders, I can guarantee there'd be a lot of rage if similar restrictions were placed on EU/US players. |
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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:10:00 -
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Goodwill George wrote:Ranka Mei wrote: Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.
Nexon doesn't have a very good reputation, and I'd imagine quite a few players would be dislike paying their subs through them. While this seems like a non-issue for us outsiders, I can guarantee there'd be a lot of rage if similar restrictions were placed on EU/US players. I dunno, maybe it's a language barrier or something, but I keep telling all y'all: you don't need to pay subs thru Nexon if you don't want to.
I'm a little surprised they don't let you guys pay with your credit cards, but, other than that, there's an easy way around it.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:41:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Texty wrote:Ranka Mei wrote:Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? They say we can. But that's not the issue. Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.
You can buy PLEX some place other than CCP? The Email says buying PLEX from CCP must be done using Nexon points so if It's possible to buy them somewhere else, that's good news although PLEXes and GTCs are expensive than long term subscriptions.
How ever, the point is, I was perfectly happy with my subscription (under Y900 / month) and would like to let CCP know that I'm upset that I have to pay either Y1,400 / month (PLEX, ETC) or something like Y3,000 / month (Nexon? this one is just a guess) from next April for practically no reason other than the fact that I live in Japan, and would like to know actually how much Nexon is going to charge us. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:49:00 -
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You should be able to buy GTCs from any authorised retailer online (Shattered Crystal is one I know of), these can then be converted to PLEX ingame, which can in turn be used for your gametime (as you know), or sold on the market for ISK.
GTCs arent sold through CCP directly, so it would hopefully circumvent paying Nexon. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:07:00 -
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If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.
We hail from an island nation in the east! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:09:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:You should be able to buy GTCs from any authorised retailer online (Shattered Crystal is one I know of), these can then be converted to PLEX ingame, which can in turn be used for your gametime (as you know), or sold on the market for ISK.
GTCs arent sold through CCP directly, so it would hopefully circumvent paying Nexon.
Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).
So I guess they do have some restrictions on what to sell to whom... The "clarification" regarding the cooperation with that Japanese company that is a sticky on those forums should be published.
I would thing that the whole move though a subsidiary in Japan is to encourage new subs that will be supported with a native japanese speaking team of GM and community reps, not scare away already subbed players. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:18:00 -
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I haven't bought GTCs from Battleclinic in a long time, but back in the day, they didn't ask for phone confirmation. Their website implies the most you will get is an automated call to confirm your phone number is valid.
It used to be significantly cheaper to buy GTCs in dollars than paying a sub in euros, but I think it's not so much now. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:19:00 -
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seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff? |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:22:00 -
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Buying GTC from Battleclinic is currently considered in 2ch Japanese forum. But we fear NEXON got us from both sides, they might block the use of GTC from Japan. If they did.... I might be gone as well.... |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:24:00 -
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Myxx wrote:seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff? Thank you for noting our trouble and your sympathy. I think CCP will check your billing information and if your current residence is Japan, regardless of IP, they will direct you to the NEXON site? (perhaps) And faking a billing address (by proxy or in your address information) is a bad action. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:27:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:Myxx wrote:seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff? Thank you for noting our trouble and your sympathy. I think CCP will check your billing information and if your current residence is Japan, regardless of IP, they will direct you to the NEXON site? (perhaps) And faking a billing address (by proxy or in your address information) is a bad action.
oh, would they do that and not just your IP? Thats even worse.
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madd0g11
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:27:00 -
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Right now the Japanese chatter on Eve 2ch and twitter is all about this.
If you go to Eve Account Management you can view your activity. It's IP based and probably what they will use to move us to Nexon. I figure though if you pay by CC with a US address it might be possible to get around it. But if not when you go up to renew it will force you to the new system.
The gist of the anger in the community is that CCP said if you live in Japan you will have to pay via nexon. If CCP comes out and say the price per month would be 1200-1500 JPY it would do a lot to calm things down. That's around the equivalent of the current rate or a little more. Understandable with the cost of localization and support. Players in Japan, regardless of nationality are worried that CCP/Nexon might charge 2000+ per month to play.
There is actually a solid core of Japanese players. At the recent Tokyo event it was about 95% Japanese Eve players and 5% foreigners in Japan. There are not many of us, we do think the nexon deal and the localized client are good for Eve and good for Japan but we don't want to take it in the ass with price. In the other thread I proposed to grandfather old accounts to the old payment system, with the option to move to the nexon system. Forcing bitter vets is a **** move, and I know CCP and Nexon have to make their pay but it's the old players you want to bring in the new players. They said it themselves at the conference. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:34:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.
Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence.
Ciar Meara wrote:Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).
I've never bought time codes since it's cheaper just subscribing but this is very interesting...So I understand there are possibilities that we might not be able to buy time codes in Japan ? It appears things are getting worse lol. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:38:00 -
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Is it possible many japaneese don't know about it? If you can, just buy from shattered crystal or something. |
madd0g11
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:41:00 -
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Texty wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.
Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence. Ciar Meara wrote:Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium). I've never bought time codes since it's cheaper just subscribing but this is very interesting...So I understand there are possibilities that we might not be able to buy time codes in Japan ? It appears things are getting worse lol.
Shattered crystal calls and verifies things because of fraud. I've been using them for years after the initial check-up with no issue. CCP can't stop Japanese players from using PLEX or GTC, they can **** with month to month and subscriptions though.
CCP would also be stupid to block GTC purchases from Japan and would **** off the entire community. Because then the possibility it could happen to your country is now viable.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:48:00 -
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Why should anyone have to pay through third party "points" or timecodes and not be able to use normal currency?
This just doesn't smell right. I hope CCP isn't doing another counter productive greedy dumb dumb move. Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:50:00 -
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-Ñ3000 is almost $40 (75.82 yen per USD when I checked Google).
CCP must be a fscking millipede with as many feet as they've shot off.
It's just one retarded move after another. Your stuff goes here. |
Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:02:00 -
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Texty wrote:NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players. Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot. .
You must know by now that CCP thinks Japanese ppl are a lesser spiesies. And that they have no need for freedom of choise. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:02:00 -
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madd0g11 wrote:CCP would also be stupid to block GTC purchases from Japan and would **** off the entire community. Because then the possibility it could happen to your country is now viable. Well that was exactly what came up to my mind when I heard there are confirmation processes when you buy time codes lol.
Palovana wrote:-Ñ3000 is almost $40 (75.82 yen per USD when I checked Google).
CCP must be a fscking millipede with as many feet as they've shot off.
It's just one ******** move after another. Please don't take the Y3,000 thing too seriously since it's just a guess :) |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:26:00 -
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I used to pay with PayByCash, which charged some stupidly large fee over the top per direct debit transaction, it sucked.
Looks like there will be workarounds, but it shouldn't be necessary to use workarounds. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:34:00 -
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What I can see as potentially happening is that the Japanese client will only be available through NEXON, however it is hard to see how they would go about forcing everyone in Japan to pay through NEXON...
E.g. how about foreigners on visits to Japan, that's gonna be a mess for customer support to handle. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
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