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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
88
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:29:00 -
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The whole point is to get more Japanese on board (localizedclient) so an error in judgement to partner with an untrusted (by target demographic) company to handle things and depending on what they end up charging the whole thing might just fizzle or even backfire as existing Japanese players say their goodbyes.
Uncle Google tells me that $15 is about -Ñ1200, so if final price exceeds -Ñ1500 I'd say that the customers are being gouged seeing as they are not European socialists (like me) who are happy, happy, happy to pay extra for the greater good.
It is a good thing this came along, since CCP caved on just about all major points we space-nerds have nothing to rage about which is never a good thing .. so good on you Japan for "potentially" getting shafted so that we can RAAAAAGE!
Texty wrote:@Rakshasa Taisab : How did you manage to make the "Yen mark" appear ? o.O Google is thine friend.
When you need symbols and such, search for alt codes ..
For Yen the alt code is 0165, so holding ALT while typing 0165 gives you: -Ñ ... Tada!
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Ogopogo Mu
Snickers Inc
28
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:06:00 -
[62] - Quote
I'd be more concerned with Nexon's track record in account security. |
cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori Tricell Coalition
2
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:42:00 -
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Ogopogo Mu wrote:I'd be more concerned with Nexon's track record in account security.
NEXON is the company which has established reputation in account hacking in Japan. In a Japanese player, many people of a negative idea exist in the charge collection in NEXON. Probably, many people who resign EVE also exist. A community of Japan will receive serious damage. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 23:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
cotton feel wrote:Ogopogo Mu wrote:I'd be more concerned with Nexon's track record in account security. NEXON is the company which has established reputation in account hacking in Japan.
oh my |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
249
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Posted - 2011.10.27 23:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
Sympathies from Brazilian players. We are forced to use Levelupgames to buy and pay for some of our MMOs and they seem as terrible as NEXON.
Please don't do that to us, CCP! |
kuroapu
Nejitu Company Tricell Coalition
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 01:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
Companies entering the middle that is not trusted, you can call a friend inhibit I will continue to rethink myself Same game companies would Datte EVE? Proper to say that if price is no problem in that sorry
web can be read only in translation Dattara cryptic, sorry |
Myxx
Atropos Group
115
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Posted - 2011.10.28 03:14:00 -
[67] - Quote
bump. this seems to have been ANOTHER poor idea, CCP. |
bavaa
Peercast Utyu-bu Yellowpage Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 04:58:00 -
[68] - Quote
bump |
Jujunun Maulerant
Maulerant Brokerage Firm
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
Japanese people do not contract with an insincere company likea NEXON.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
71
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
All these Japanese players and the way they put their English sentences together... it's bringing back memories of those days I worked for a Japanese transportation company and all those great coworkers that I still miss.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
126
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:33:00 -
[71] - Quote
If you are paying 1500-Ñ to play Eve, you are being ripped-off. Sorry to see CCP adopting an obviously unwanted and untrusted mehtod and company for account payment for the players in Japan.
I am now more informed on the subject, I did the maths and wow, what a bloody ripoff! No wonder the players in Japan are complaining.
CCP (Read - Hilmar) - Greed is not good, you know this. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:34:00 -
[72] - Quote
Although the n+Ñ3,000 number I mentioned does have some kind of back up and is not just something random that I made up, since CCP Navigator has stated that the actual price will be substantially lower, let's not stick with the n+Ñ3,000 thing too much :)
Well, something like n+Ñ2,000 may appear substantially lower but in fact it is still twice as much as what I am currently paying (under n+Ñ900 per month with 6 month subscription). I do hope it is really substantially lower...
Hirana Yoshida wrote: For Yen the alt code is 0165, so holding ALT while typing 0165 gives you: -Ñ ... Tada!
Wow, for some reason I'm not familiar with, ALT + 0165 didn't work for me (it just shows a "n+Ñ") and I managed to find out that I have to type ALT + 33167 to make my "n+Ñ" pop up (I'm not sure if it will show up on non-Japanese environments though). Thanks for the alt code info :) |
Ossan Z
Nejitu Company Tricell Coalition
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 06:17:00 -
[73] - Quote
I am a Japanese player and keeping three accounts in 399 USD (133 USD * 3) per year. If monthly subscription rise to 3000yen, I have to pay 108000 yen (1400 USD) per year Serious problem for me. |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.10.28 06:51:00 -
[74] - Quote
*BUMP |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
204
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:41:00 -
[75] - Quote
But how will they to stop you from making a new account via the eve.is website putting in your visa card information and launching the client? (or paying through paypall for that matter, so they don't even know what kind of visa or card you have)
They can't block you based on your IP, because I could be visiting japan with my laptop or working there and be blocked for "not having nexon points"
So I would assume only if you play with the "localised client" they are building will actually stop you from playing eve like you did before. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Imawuss
United Atheist League
2
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:41:00 -
[76] - Quote
So your mad about a price that you dont even know exactly how much it is?
Since the yen is trading at about 74 to $1 right now if they charge 1500 yen per month i have an idea for you. Buy plex for $15 here then resell it for 1300 Yen there, they pay less and you make about 15% profit, not bad at all. That gig should be good for about 2 years until the dollar gains some strength against the Yen.
Dont get mad, make money, its what you would do in EVE. |
mkint
211
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:50:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:So your mad about a price that you dont even know exactly how much it is?
Since the yen is trading at about 74 to $1 right now if they charge 1500 yen per month i have an idea for you. Buy plex for $15 here then resell it for 1300 Yen there, they pay less and you make about 15% profit, not bad at all. That gig should be good for about 2 years until the dollar gains some strength against the Yen.
Dont get mad, make money, its what you would do in EVE. a) read the thread. People don't trust nexon. They consider them thieves at worst, and risky as hell at best. b) plex is $19 for just the plex. I think that 30% failure of yours will chew up that 15% profit. c) even if it wasn't incredibly stupid to buy something for 19 bucks and sell it for 17 and expect a profit, selling plex for currency is illegal and can get you permabanned. d) some people just shouldn't talk in public. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
89
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:...They can't block you based on your IP, because I could be visiting japan with my laptop or working there and be blocked for "not having nexon points"... You need to read the links that accompany these kinds of threads
Nexon/CCP eMail wrote:Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access NexonGÇÖs convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality. They are selling our Japanese brothers up the Han (Korean river .. get it? .. me so clever).
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
107
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
What I would like to know is why CCP are going with this, because as far as I am aware people outside Europe and America has been able to access the account management page since day 1 so it makes little sense for players in Japan to go through a 3rd party when there hasn't been any issues with it before so why now?
10/19 2011 - never forget the 20%
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
43
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
I cannot believe that I have to witness yet another of CCP's face palming moments. What is it with you guys? Greed made you stupid? At least give them the possibility of a choice, not to use this company.
CCP: Welcome to the Dark Zone.
Customer 1: The Dark Zone? Customer 2: We're in the Dark Zone? Customer 1: So, what are we supposed to do now? CCP: Perhaps you should find yourselves another MMO. Customer 2: B-but, the Dark Zone is full of WoW-clones, and, and, and, and no important internet spaceships and, and, darkness, and CCP (interrupting): Our ancestors came from the Dark Zone! We where taught that altho there are not many good MMO's, there are some. Perhaps you should find one. Customer 1: You mean, we should find one. We're together in this.
CCP: We are dead. We have no future.
Oh yeah, bump too for our fellow Japanese players. :s |
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Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:What I would like to know is why CCP are going with this, because as far as I am aware people outside Europe and America has been able to access the account management page since day 1 so it makes little sense for players in Japan to go through a 3rd party when there hasn't been any issues with it before so why now?
CCP wanted more Japanese players. Nexon talked them into it. Nexon want their cut, and they want to make sure we all go through Nexon so they profit from the "service" they do for CCP with 100% certainty. CCP is playin the dumb here.
Nexon got their hand in CCP's pocket, now they want their dirty hand in our pockets as well through the use of CCP infected. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
32
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:09:00 -
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Texty wrote:Although the n+Ñ3,000 number I mentioned does have some kind of back up and is not just something random that I made up, since CCP Navigator has stated that the actual price will be substantially lower, let's not stick with the n+Ñ3,000 thing too much :) Well, something like n+Ñ2,000 may appear substantially lower but in fact it is still twice as much as what I am currently paying (under n+Ñ900 per month with 6 month subscription). I do hope it is really substantially lower... let's say thiis will be 500000n+Ñ a month!
anyway we are free to speak anything
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Tivookz
The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:37:00 -
[83] - Quote
Texty wrote:NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players. Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot. Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No. And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags. Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing. Excuse me for any grammatical errors.
To sum it all up; me no rikey? yes? |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:47:00 -
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I got an official answer to my petition.
" GÇó We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP-¦s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.
GÇó Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.
Kind regards, CCP Games, Japan Team "
Well, this is just great... |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:54:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:I got an official answer to my petition.
" GÇó We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP-¦s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.
GÇó Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.
Kind regards, CCP Games, Japan Team "
Well, this is just great...
so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
204
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:59:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:...They can't block you based on your IP, because I could be visiting japan with my laptop or working there and be blocked for "not having nexon points"... You need to read the links that accompany these kinds of threads Nexon/CCP eMail wrote:Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access NexonGÇÖs convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality. They are selling our Japanese brothers up the Han (Korean river .. get it? .. me so clever).
I see well my bad, so players based in japan, even temporary will need to fake their ip?
Edit: The more I think about it the more of a dumb move this seems, it also explains why there is absolutly no dev blog about this because they know it would be a "sensitive issue". I can understand having to go through nexon, but people who want their account and their english client just as it is now should not be blocked and forced to go through a third party. Especially when they don't use the services of that party. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:04:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:I got an official answer to my petition.
" GÇó We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP-¦s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.
GÇó Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.
Kind regards, CCP Games, Japan Team "
Well, this is just great... so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?
I didn't ask about GTC in my petition but I am too scared to ask now. It could be a temporary loophole, but "NEXON" wants any holes filled up quickly and mercilessly. I am sure they will do something that blocks the use of GTC from Japan as well... |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:07:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:I got an official answer to my petition.
" GÇó We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP-¦s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.
GÇó Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.
Kind regards, CCP Games, Japan Team "
Well, this is just great... so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon? I didn't ask about GTC in my petition but I am too scared to ask now. It could be a temporary loophole, but "NEXON" wants any holes filled up quickly and mercilessly. I am sure they will do something that blocks the use of GTC from Japan as well...
you should ask bud, better to know all you options. i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
204
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:11:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote: you should ask bud, better to know all you options. i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account
What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
90
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:13:00 -
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Easy enough to say that if you use the national system the rules apply so you'd have to go through a VPN or something to bypass it .. which I sincerely hope all embassies are doing already or they are just begging to be hacked. |
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