How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.

Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime?

How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.

They say we can. But that's not the issue.

Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.

Nexon doesn't have a very good reputation, and I'd imagine quite a few players would be dislike paying their subs through them. While this seems like a non-issue for us outsiders, I can guarantee there'd be a lot of rage if similar restrictions were placed on EU/US players.

Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.

You should be able to buy GTCs from any authorised retailer online (Shattered Crystal is one I know of), these can then be converted to PLEX ingame, which can in turn be used for your gametime (as you know), or sold on the market for ISK.

GTCs arent sold through CCP directly, so it would hopefully circumvent paying Nexon.

seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff?

Thank you for noting our trouble and your sympathy.
I think CCP will check your billing information and if your current residence is Japan, regardless of IP, they will direct you to the NEXON site? (perhaps)
And faking a billing address (by proxy or in your address information) is a bad action.

If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.

Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence.

Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).

I've never bought time codes since it's cheaper just subscribing but this is very interesting...So I understand there are possibilities that we might not be able to buy time codes in Japan ? It appears things are getting worse lol.

NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot. .

CCP would also be stupid to block GTC purchases from Japan and would **** off the entire community. Because then the possibility it could happen to your country is now viable.

-Ñ3000 is almost $40 (75.82 yen per USD when I checked Google).

CCP must be a fscking millipede with as many feet as they've shot off.

It's just one ******** move after another.

What I can see as potentially happening is that the Japanese client will only be available through NEXON, however it is hard to see how they would go about forcing everyone in Japan to pay through NEXON...

E.g. how about foreigners on visits to Japan, that's gonna be a mess for customer support to handle.

As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.

Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.

As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.

As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.

Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.

I do understand your point of Japanese lacking English communication skills which might makes it hard or almost impossible for them to buy time codes if you actually have to talk in English upon purchase. But since it seems to be the only way for people who doesn't want to get involved with Nexon to keep on playing, your information about the fact of receiving phone calls from shattered crystal for confirmation it self seemed to be much more of an issue to me :)

Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.

Can you speak mandarin?

You can buy PLEX some place other than CCP? The Email says buying PLEX from CCP must be done using Nexon points so if It's possible to buy them somewhere else, that's good news although PLEXes and GTCs are expensive than long term subscriptions.

How ever, the point is, I was perfectly happy with my subscription (under Y900 / month) and would like to let CCP know that I'm upset that I have to pay either Y1,400 / month (PLEX, ETC) or something like Y3,000 / month (Nexon? this one is just a guess) from next April for practically no reason other than the fact that I live in Japan, and would like to know actually how much Nexon is going to charge us.

You can buy PLEX some place other than CCP?

Uh... no. But many of them can use English, however broken it is. Japanese can't, however little.

In order to reduce scamming, we manually verify orders from new customers by telephone before we email EVE time codes.

To protect your order, *some* (not many) first-time customers may have a robot call while the order is in process. The robot will give you a code to put into our webpage. Just listen to the code, then input it into the webpage. No personal information is exchanged. Your privacy is protected!

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

I hope you _DO_ realize that -Ñ3000 price is rather 'extreme', and the correct one would be about -Ñ1000?

The 20% or so VAT that Europe gets hit with is already a huge problem... And the above isn't event a 'VAT' based surcharge, it's a "they're Japanese" premium on the subscription.


How good and holy they are never was the issue, rather it is that you are forcing all Japanese players to go through a 3rd party.

Honestly, until the pricing info is released it sounds to be a bit overly worried on the topic.

There should be NO WORKAROUND REQUIRED involving a 3rd party.

only CCP sells PLEX, but others sell GTC which can be converted to 2 PLEX each ingame

You buy gamescodes, which you can then convert, in-game, to 2x 30 day PLEXes.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

The 3,000 is yes, extremely high but as I said in OP, please be aware that it's a price tag most Japanese will naturally expect from a Korean MMO publisher so you can't blame us if we expect the same from Nexon.

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

LOL 3000yen? too expensive. CCP should check rate JPY=USD??? crazy CCP
i do not want to pay cash for EVE ONLINE over 14.99USD per month!!

@Rakshasa Taisab : How did you manage to make the "Yen mark" appear ? o.O

I'd be more concerned with Nexon's track record in account security.

NEXON is the company which has established reputation in account hacking in Japan.

For Yen the alt code is 0165, so holding ALT while typing 0165 gives you: -Ñ ... Tada!

So your mad about a price that you dont even know exactly how much it is?

Since the yen is trading at about 74 to $1 right now if they charge 1500 yen per month i have an idea for you. Buy plex for $15 here then resell it for 1300 Yen there, they pay less and you make about 15% profit, not bad at all. That gig should be good for about 2 years until the dollar gains some strength against the Yen.

Dont get mad, make money, its what you would do in EVE.

...They can't block you based on your IP, because I could be visiting japan with my laptop or working there and be blocked for "not having nexon points"...

Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access NexonGÇÖs convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality.

What I would like to know is why CCP are going with this, because as far as I am aware people outside Europe and America has been able to access the account management page since day 1 so it makes little sense for players in Japan to go through a 3rd party when there hasn't been any issues with it before so why now?

Although the n+Ñ3,000 number I mentioned does have some kind of back up and is not just something random that I made up, since CCP Navigator has stated that the actual price will be substantially lower, let's not stick with the n+Ñ3,000 thing too much :)

Well, something like n+Ñ2,000 may appear substantially lower but in fact it is still twice as much as what I am currently paying (under n+Ñ900 per month with 6 month subscription). I do hope it is really substantially lower...

NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot.

Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No.

And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags.

Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing.

Excuse me for any grammatical errors.

I got an official answer to my petition.

"
GÇó We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP-¦s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.

GÇó Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.

Kind regards,
CCP Games, Japan Team
"

Well, this is just great...

You need to read the links that accompany these kinds of threads

They are selling our Japanese brothers up the Han (Korean river .. get it? .. me so clever).

so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?

I didn't ask about GTC in my petition but I am too scared to ask now.
It could be a temporary loophole, but "NEXON" wants any holes filled up quickly and mercilessly.
I am sure they will do something that blocks the use of GTC from Japan as well...

you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account

What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?

Game Watch : About the charges. Existing players are subscribing directly to CCP using their credit cards, or (adding game time by) buying PLEX, or play for free by earning ISK in game. Will the launch of EVE in Japan affect this in any way ?

NEXON : We would like to have you use Nexon points to buy PLEX. Announcements for the existing players will be done by CCP.

Game Watch : Are existing players able to maintain their current paying method after Nexons launch ?

NEXON : We have to say it must be changed at a certain point. We can not tell you the technical details but if you are recognized as a Japan-based player, we will have you sign up for a Nexon ID and pay via Nexon points. How ever, buying PLEX in game will not be affected.

Game Watch : I see. So almost all existing (Japan-based) players will be affected ?

NEXON : Yes.

CCP : This matter is of very high importance so we will make sure that existing players are informed before we put it into effect.

GÇ£If thereGÇÖs any value in your business,GÇ¥ said Kim, GÇ£somebody else is going to find value and try to take some of that. The U.S. is a hacking hotbed, and it hadnGÇÖt really happened to us in Korea yet. Hacking is like a drug - they keep doing it, itGÇÖs a fun challenge for them, and once players start using a hacking tool, itGÇÖs hard for them to stop.GÇ¥
...
The developers in South Korea finally realized hacking wasnGÇÖt just a U.S. thing, and had to ramp up their GM staff and extend their coverage. GÇ£We couldnGÇÖt have our guys go against these hackers head to head, we had to build it into our client,GÇ¥ Kim recalled.

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

lol funny i know a few people in the us miltary stationed in japan. not sure how this will effect there $ billed accounts

Spoofing your IP sounds like a very good idea.

lol funny i know a few people in the us miltary stationed in japan. not sure how this will effect there $ billed accounts

PS, why thread master use English? Theread master is not Japanese? I think this thread is for Japanese player, and should better to use Japanese mainly ^^ ,,, Ofc, IMO sorry,

I believe this forum is "English only". Ignoring forum rules will result in this thread being locked.

The contrary is not carried out to tying up with NEXON as a means which increases a Japanese player.
It is not allowed to provide NEXON with a Japanese player as a means to tie up with NEXON.

What kind of obstacle does paying directly CCP have?

Ofc, Forum rule is very important but, Most Important is a lot of "Japanese players Opinions" atm.
Most JP player cant speak/write/read English as well.
Maybe CCP understanding it well.

Now a lot of / many Japanese Player want to say anything this problems,
Pls check RSS on this Site,

http://blog.livedoor.jp/eveonline/

One of famous site, there is.
They wrote a lot of oipinions in their blog by Japanese.
But there is no english blog ..... :( why??
To regret, but, cuz, most Japanese cant use English as well, but its truth and our situations.
Evidence, If most Japanese can use English, No need Japanese Clients!! thus, this thread is no need

Under this situations, I said this thread be able to post Opinions by Japanese, Not good Opinions?! is it?

Ofc, Forum rule is very important but, Most Important is a lot of "Japanese players Opinions" atm.
Most JP player cant speak/write/read English as well.
Maybe CCP understanding it well.

Now a lot of / many Japanese Player want to say anything this problems,
Pls check RSS on this Site,

http://blog.livedoor.jp/eveonline/

One of famous site, there is.
They wrote a lot of oipinions in their blog by Japanese.
But there is no english blog ..... :( why??
To regret, but, cuz, most Japanese cant use English as well, but its truth and our situations.
Evidence, If most Japanese can use English, No need Japanese Clients!! thus, this thread is no need

Under this situations, I said this thread be able to post Opinions by Japanese, Not good Opinions?! is it?

Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.

Furthermore, Nexon is known to have billing & customer support issues besides the repeating cases of losing private info of customers to hackers. They are also fairly famous among Japanese gamers for freezing accounts without warning, and not responding at all to inquiries concerning such account freezes (supposedly due to "suspicious account activity"). Even if that doesn't mean your EVE account is compromized, it will sever the only means of access for players located in Japanese IPs (which is technologically regressive for a company that touts innovation).

That's the primary reason why Nexon's games are primarily aimed at novice gamers who are not all that security savvy. EVE will only whet the appetite of hard-core gamers in Japan, and they'll never consider having anything to do with Nexon. It's like handing over your credit card to a friendly guy you just met at a bar in Italy-- you won't do it unless you have an amazing lack of brain cells.

Unless CCP thinks their potential clientele in Japan are tween boys and girls (or bored housewives), Nexon is a fairly stupid choice. Anybody who has been in the Japanese network-based (and mobile games) scene would know this. CCP needs to do more research because they'll basically lose money on this deal (and customers).

Could you post a link to something that gives an idea of many people have had their billing/payment information compromised?

I can't find any, only people speaking of somebody highjacking their character.

I'm still not sure how teaming up with one of the biggest and most successful publishers in the world is going to lose CCP accounts.

I can fully understand that the Japanese community may not want to put their money in the trust of a company with a bad reputation.

It does seem really odd that CCP are using NEXON rather than someone we all know and love aka Paypal.

I do feel sorry for anyone who has to use it for their accounts as well it's a bit unfair to force someone to use them.

If you cannot read Japanese, where is the point in posting the links to those Japanese pages we know?
If you are so eager to find, why don't you google it "NEXON, Account Hack, Privacy" these words will show something you in English as well?

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20101026_402746.html

Here is an example of Japanese game news website "Game Watch" article on NEXON.
The article writer's Nexon account was hacked, and all his cash in the account was gone, and he reported this to NEXON which gave no support, he reported to police, and his lawyer as well with no solution.

I also had an experience of hack, my character was hacked, my gmail hacked right after this, sending spams to all my address book...
It was terrible.

Language options and server
We want to use this opportunity to confirm that all Japan-based users will continue to have the option of playing in English, Japanese or any other languages officially supported by CCP. Although it is a common matter of speech to refer to a GÇ£Japanese clientGÇ¥ to be launched in Japan, we want to emphasize that Japanese players will continue to play on Tranquility with the rest of EVEGÇÖs international community, and that Japanese will be added as a language option to the existing EVE client, which already supports English, Russian and German. All Japan-based players will retain these language options after the launch of Japanese.

Nexon will handle all EVE-related payments for Japanese users starting from April 1, 2012. ... We hereby confirm that players will keep both existing EVE accounts and characters, and that there will be no change regarding the existing EVE ID system or how it is used to access the game client and EVE-related login sites (such as EVE Gate and Account Management). Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access NexonGÇÖs convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality.

I notice some posts referring to the "Japanese client" as something different from the existing client that you will have to install if you wish to play EVE in Japan. Here is a quote from the Email from CCP I have mentioned in OP.

And as far as I understand from the following quote, it seems that you only go through Nexon when you are doing something money-wise. You don't have to log on to Nexons portal or something each time you play EVE.

How ever, I would like CCP to clarify two things.

• Do all Japan-based players have to sign up for a Nexon ID, regardless of how they gain their game time ?
If you just earn ISK and buy PLEX in game, it seems likely that you won't be making any RL billing movements, thus you won't need any Nexon IDs and won't have to get involved with Nexon at all. Will this be the case ?

• Will there be any restrictions for Japan-based players on buying ETCs after Nexons launch ?
If not, will there be any "additional steps" involving Nexon in any way when we activate our codes ? (actually I've never bought or used ETCs myself so I'm not sure what I'm talking about but I'll still ask)

I appreciate the link, although I didn't do me any good.

I did take your advice and google the phrases you suggested.

I found dozens of cases of people having their gaming account hacked and items removed.

I found no cases of people having credit card information compromised.

Most of the cases appear to likely be due to the player going to the multitude of sites that sell in game currency for money and getting a key logger... but not all. It looks as if there are some hacking programs out there that can get into someone's game account and listed email address with just a character name. However, these tools do not allow access to anyone's actual payment information.

So I'm confused.

If you use your Nexon account solely to purchase PLEX (or a subscription, which I assume will be available through them) when you need it, what exactly would anyone get if they hacked your gaming account. They still can't get into your EVE character to sell your in game items, and apparently never could get into your personal payment information.

I suppose it's possible they could get your email account information which could be a problem (assuming you don't have a gmail account or something similar just for this sort of thing) but I'm really not even sure if the same sort of interface/information will be used for setting things up through Nexon to play EVE.

I'm not unsympathetic, but I really think you may have to wait for more details about what will be entailed when going through Nexon to access EVE before you can realistically decide if there is a security risk involved or not. Too many unknowns about the procedure at this point.

When your NEXON account is hacked, the hacker can access your personal information, name, billing address, phone number, and creditcard information.

That is indeed serious.

It does make me wonder why none of the reports I read mention that (they were pretty specifically about losing in game items/currnecy)... or you yourself for that matter. You only mentioned the hassle of your gmail account being compromised. I would have thought you would have mentioned that first and foremost.

Perhaps I missed it.

you could probably still buy GTC's from Battleclinic or Shattered Crystal, couldnt you? And then pay that way

If i was forced to use some 3rd party to pay for my subscription i'd ether cancel or use GTC's from a company that isnt being forced on me

Did you also miss that the Nexon Points in these accounts (about thousands of dollars in some cases) were stolen by hackers?
Amount of money stolen is varied but the reports are everywhere in Google if you try a few of those words, and none of them got them back as far as I know.

Oh and please read the link I provided, if you can read Japanese. I don't know how NEXON America manages their accounts tho.

CCP sets the price, Nexon handles the billing and likely Japanese customer support that pertains to it. Many language issues go away at that point.

Judging by the forum posts in the official Nexon website, some of their support tickets are going literally months before getting a reply (And this is for inactive/disabled accounts, people trying to play their game again) So if thats the kind of support they have to look forward to, i think thats a big issue too.

If i was forced to use some 3rd party to pay for my subscription i'd ether cancel or use GTC's from a company that isnt being forced on me

The game had such promises, but I can't play it no longer since my best avatar, NX, and cash were stolen from me and dungeon either party or solo is too difficult for me to do.

To be fair, I did just find 1 post, buried on the 2nd page of a thread on the Nexon forums that mentions NX (I'm assuming Nexon Points) lost along with stuff on his character.



I'm not sure why you would store excess Nexon points above what you need to pay for your EVE sub, but the theft of them does at least seem possible. This young man was upset because Nexon was taking it's time reimbursing him while they investigated. There is no indication in the thread as to whether he got reimbursement, or if it was determined that a key logger or something similar was to blame.

Oh and this is funny but, when you charge NEXON point, they have this scheme where you always get some NP left overs that are somewhere around 600-800 yen which is not enough to use on any games, so you have to always keep it around, and this goes for all the NEXON players. (even if you don't keep large amount in your Nexon wallet)

Oh and this is funny but, when you charge NEXON point, they have this scheme where you always get some NP left overs that are somewhere around 600-800 yen which is not enough to use on any games, so you have to always keep it around, and this goes for all the NEXON players. (even if you don't keep large amount in your Nexon wallet)

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Please note our Nexon Support business hours. We answer tickets Monday through Friday, 10am to 6pm Pacific time.

We will do our best to assist you as soon as possible.

Thank you for your continued patience,

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Ticket Information:
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Date Created: 05/21/2011 06:38 AM PDT

NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot.

Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No.

And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags.

Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing.

Excuse me for any grammatical errors.

You can not be forced to do something you don't want to.

While I understand your feelings about Nexon has company and their ability to protect information or the prices they'll be able to impose, I don't understand why you think you're stuck with that payment method.

Many players already and will some more explain you better ways to do so than I'll ever be able to since I'm EU player and don't have any sort of issue other than buy gtc's at slight higher cost than US friends.

This said, search on pay-pal side, shattered crystal, official retailers, and think about change how you are used to pay your subs. All these forms are LEGAL and no one can or will ever force you to do what you don't want to.

Nexon support.

Biggest oxymoron on the web.

For example I just got this mail. Please note the date of the ticket. Makes EVE support look pretty darn good, really.



EDIT: I should note that the ticket was for the failure of the NEXON equivalent of a GTC. $30 lost. Kind of a priority ticket for them, I should think. Anyway, they lost a customer.

Mr Epeen

You can not be forced to do something you don't want to.

While I understand your feelings about Nexon has company and their ability to protect information or the prices they'll be able to impose, I don't understand why you think you're stuck with that payment method.

Many players already and will some more explain you better ways to do so than I'll ever be able to since I'm EU player and don't have any sort of issue other than buy gtc's at slight higher cost than US friends.

This said, search on pay-pal side, shattered crystal, official retailers, and think about change how you are used to pay your subs. All these forms are LEGAL and no one can or will ever force you to do what you don't want to.

They say we can. But that's not the issue.

Why not buy plex with real money (legally) and use that plex to add game time for the same price?

I know it's dumb and you shouldn't have to but you just might have to if this goes through.

It is just plain wrong to force people to do business with a company that is not only distrusted but disliked when it is not needed .. CCP probably got suckered into some stupid exclusivity deal (it WAS done during their lame-brain phase, aka. BARBIES > All)

[quote=Hirana Yoshida]..In all fairness to CCP, imagine wanting to branch into a foreign country which uses a wickedly difficult language that few outside their borders master -- let alone to the degree of being able to give support. ...

Yeah, I had that thought as well but read the announcements again .. Nexon wil handle billing and distribution nothing else (may also help with localization .. unsure of that). The game support (ie. GMs) will be "regular" CCP staff from what I can tell, given that then that line of thinking/reasoning falls flat rather quickly.

Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35381&find=unread

post there, or in mittani's thread. get their attention for the summit in december.

You can buy PLEX some place other than CCP? The Email says buying PLEX from CCP must be done using Nexon points so if It's possible to buy them somewhere else, that's good news although PLEXes and GTCs are expensive than long term subscriptions.

How ever, the point is, I was perfectly happy with my subscription (under Y900 / month) and would like to let CCP know that I'm upset that I have to pay either Y1,400 / month (PLEX, ETC) or something like Y3,000 / month (Nexon? this one is just a guess) from next April for practically no reason other than the fact that I live in Japan, and would like to know actually how much Nexon is going to charge us.

Someone in 2chanel forum sent a petition to CCP asking about the NEXON's recent private information leak incident (private informations of over 13,000,000 accounts has been leaked due to hacking.), and got an answer from CCP.

It says:
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>S+èF¿ÿpü«µû¦µ¦òpéÆpü¿péëpéîpéïsá¦sÉêpü»NEXON IDpéÆsÅûs+ùpüÖpéïpüôpü¿pü¬püÅpÇüEVE OnlinepéÆpâùpâ¼péñpüùpüªTáépüÅpüôpü¿püîpüºpüìpü+püÖpÇé

in English:
PLEX and GTC can be purchased just like they can be as of now.
If you extend your pilot time by above means, you can play EVE Online without registering a NEXON ID.


Now, when NEXON first released its interview, NEXON side clearly said "Any Japanese player whether or not using PLEX will have to be registered as NEXON player."
But now, CCP perhaps noticed our anger and utter distrust against NEXON, they must have talked with NEXON and changed their policy?

Above answer from CCP is indeed from CCP and thus an official answer, right?
So, I guess we were saved by the skin of our teeth.

If this solution is indeed true and we are allowed to continue playing EVE Online, I thank CCP for taking notice of us minorities.
And CCP did a decent (needs improvements for sure but decent) job of releasing Japanese version of the client, they should keep on doing the good job. :)

How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.

Not all players can pay via plex, however, so it may only solve it for some japaneese players, right?

So your mad about a price that you dont even know exactly how much it is?

Since the yen is trading at about 74 to $1 right now if they charge 1500 yen per month i have an idea for you. Buy plex for $15 here then resell it for 1300 Yen there, they pay less and you make about 15% profit, not bad at all. That gig should be good for about 2 years until the dollar gains some strength against the Yen.

Dont get mad, make money, its what you would do in EVE.

Fear not my Japanese Brothers and Sisters,

I will buy GTC from eve and sell to you for a $1 AU broker fee per transaction(not per gtc) because god damn dealing with a 3rd party for an MMO pricing is just ridiculous, it should be equal world wide. It's not as if you live in North Korea....

E? Nani sore?!


^^ No offense, but I'd say your command of the English language. Clearly you used google translate or something, as the result is quite unintelligible. That's not a judgement, as your English is probably still better than my Japanese, but it does underline, clearly, that an English-only support desk is going to have trouble understanding you.

So, having some sort of middle man who's fluent in your language is probably not as bad an idea as I initially thought.

Uncle Google tells me that $15 is about -Ñ1200, so if final price exceeds -Ñ1500 I'd say that the customers are being gouged seeing as they are not European socialists (like me) who are happy, happy, happy to pay extra for the greater good.

Thank you for your sympathy.
Unfortunately, Paypal is not known "at all" in Japan.
And that means majority of Japanese would not trust Paypal, because they don't know it.
Japan is a peculiar nation...

shattered crystal? battle clinic? buy plex with credit card -> apply to your account.. sure its a little more expensive then subing through credit cards but no nexon involved.
you apply the plex from in game, so i dont see how nexon can control that.

shattered crystal? battle clinic? buy plex with credit card -> apply to your account.. sure its a little more expensive then subing through credit cards but no nexon involved.

I thought it would be funny to mention that you can trade items for NX cash in some of their other games, so you could end up paying for eve by playing an Nexon distributed game.

http://www.maplewiki.net/index.php?title=Nexon_Cash#Maple_Trading_System

The bumping needs to stop as its against the forum rules.

If you have something constructive to add to the post then please do. Do not post just for the sake of keeping it on the front page.

Then tell me? When is CCP going to add something constructive to the topic? Or anything new for that matter?

They still are not answering the rumor that you can use maple story botting to play EVE that is VERY SERIOUS and potentially even more so than forcing an entire country to use a 3rd party to connect.