Someone didn't watch AT it seems.

No sorry .. i was tryng to explain to my opponents ...

What feedback where they getting to start? Where were the countless topics saying "OMFG DAT DOMI TOO GOOD NERF IT NAO!!!111"

Who asked them to make this change? Especially when there have been countless topics to do something about the ability to AFK while cloaked, Logi UI issues and lack of Killboard, Drone UI, etc..

We were idiots when we thought the first nerf to the Drake was going to be anything but a long line of blame the Drake for everything. And now we want the Domi to be that again? I think not. Stop the nerf to an already balanced ship now and it won't be further nerfed later.

This is an unwanted, pointless change that further punishes those who bother to train to actually fly these ships. On a ship that is already balanced.

It is a complete waste of development resources when far more important changes need the time now.

I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.

Thing is, I strongly believe this massive power is well-balanced by the fact that sentry drones are stationary.

If you need to move about the battlefield to tackle things, mitigate damage, provide RR, leave grid and return, etc, you are making the decision to leave the vast majority of your DPS behind if the battle suddenly moves to another grid, or forcing yourself/your fleet to have to slowboat to your sentries and pick them up before you can participate at the battle's new location.

Considering this weakness of a Dominix-based fleet comp, it's okay that their damage projection and tracking are a little OP.

I would understand reducing the range and tracking if there are plans to make sentry drones move at even half the speed of heavies, but assuming they will remain stationary, at least in regards to their use on battleships (carriers are a different story entirely) I think it's perfectly okay for them to be extremely powerful on a single battleship platform.

And in regards to the AT... the very fact that the entire engagement is forced to take place on a single grid is why the Dominix was a bit overpowered. This isn't how fights on TQ work, so I disagree with the nerf. Just make it more expensive on points for future tournaments, nbd.

More importantly, the plural of "Dominix" is "potatoes".

I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.

you think it is balanced they think it is not, and considering they:
#1 dont have a vested interest in the dominix like you do
#2 have more metrics to look at than you do
#3 are both experienced PvPers

theyre probably right.

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

No, they are not right. Or at least they haven't bothered to provide any evidence that suggests that they are. I spent 20+ days training Gallente BS 5 based on the ship bonuses presented by CCP in the BS rebalance. Rise spent 20 seconds writing a post here saying that they are reducing the bonus basically because they can even though he said himself "The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful". Yeah, that sounds like something that needs a nerf.

I understand at times nerfs are necessary. Sometimes CCP implements something on TQ while its still half-baked (SCs, Titans, etc) and sometimes a mechanic is broken or a set of modules is so powerful its game breaking and needs to be adjusted (remote doomsday, nano age). But to nerf the Dominix, without any reason listed to justify it, while none of the other recently rebalanced battleships are being adjusted, is unacceptable.

Rise, if you are going to do this I expect you to at least put an hour into a decent post in this thread to justify why the change is being made. Show us the stats/metrics/information that you have that show why this bonus change is necessary.

No, they are not right. Or at least they haven't bothered to provide any evidence that suggests that they are. I spent 20+ days training Gallente BS 5 based on the ship bonuses presented by CCP in the BS rebalance. Rise spent 20 seconds writing a post here saying that they are reducing the bonus basically because they can even though he said himself "The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful". Yeah, that sounds like something that needs a nerf.

I understand at times nerfs are necessary. Sometimes CCP implements something on TQ while its still half-baked (SCs, Titans, etc) and sometimes a mechanic is broken or a set of modules is so powerful its game breaking and needs to be adjusted (remote doomsday, nano age). But to nerf the Dominix, without any reason listed to justify it, while none of the other recently rebalanced battleships are being adjusted, is unacceptable.

Rise, if you are going to do this I expect you to at least put an hour into a decent post in this thread to justify why the change is being made. Show us the stats/metrics/information that you have that show why this bonus change is necessary.




Please explain to me how any of this translates into a need to adjust the bonus, because all of this sounds to me like more "we are changing this because we can, not because its breaking the game". Yes, the Dominix has more bonus to its primary weapons. Its primary weapons also have a lot of disadvantages that other weapon types do not have. The turrets on your Mega or Mael cannot be destroyed and dont require you to sit still to use them. Also, the Domi has no other weapon bonuses, have you thrown 4-5 unbonused guns on a ship and seen what kind of dps increase that is? Its basically useless.

>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit

Because you have to much tracking. Now you have the BS tanking and the cruiser tracking. The result is very simple to understand, you can one shoot about all freg size in afterburner (add in middle slot some target painter, on neutra in high).

The BS size need to be tackle by freg size.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

Should consider an in game fix versus an across the board nerf.

I'd like so see a form of ECM that affects drone boats -either a remote burst module, a ECM smart bomb, or some way to break "assigned" drones from their assignee for a period of time. The now unassigned drones will not fire unless the drone boat manually targets them or manually reassigns them after the cool down period (20 seconds?).

Drone doctrines will still work, but will have another specific counter that will keep pilots at the keyboard. Hell, add TD and SD bombs as well (that only affect drones on account of weak electronics). Then add sensor/tracking compenstion skills for drones and make the whole situation richer and more complicated, rather than a simple nerf.

Haven't had a chance to fly the Odyssey 1.0 Dominix yet, so I can't really offer an opinion on that front.

However, on the issue of the bonus: apparently what we refer to as "bonus" comes from the Latin bonum, a good thing ("bonus" in Latin meant a good man), the plural of which was bona. English being the way it is, things kind of evolved, to the point where "bonuses" became an acceptable plural for "bonus".

More importantly, the plural of "Dominix" is "potatoes".

And we have a winner!!

Thread closed

Sorry, but trying to be pretentious while aparently lacking ANY form of formal education is laughable...

"bonus" is the masculine nominative, "bona" is feminine nominative and "bonum" is neuter nominative.
"boni" is masculine plural.

Source: Actual major in latin in school, you should really try out school...

I don't really understand the need of nerfing of Gallente ships ,
when you "balanced the BS" you put some EWar bonus on other BS of the other races but ... Gallente NO.

We Have to get close to do some good damage but our PvP tank is generally passive armor tanking ...so making your ship an anvil...

railguns ... don't even talk about it ....( except some mega fit )

And we had domi with sentries ... and now because of your ****** tournament you nerf it too.. what's wrong with you people

For years we are asking for some changes and you don't give a **** .. but you spend Dev time on things NO ONE ASK YOU...
i don't get

Really ..THX ccp

and for god sake be honest and tell people to stop skilling drones or Gallente ships because you don't like them

ps: don't forget to make the Domi uglier , and more uglier too!!!

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

this seems a JOKE.
nerfing domi what abt megathron???

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

Ever think that maybe this is becuase you can only fly 5 drones whill all other weapons types can have 6,7 even 8 turrets or launchers..... thats why drones should have a bit more bonus

right.... sentry's drones dominated the tournament and this nerf is good