>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

i knew dominix was too good to be true...
means no more tracking of untackled frigs inside of ~15km doesn't it? ^^

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

bonus's (boni, i know)

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

You CAN place a bounty on them. Sad you can't put a detail as to why, though. (Y'all are on the CSM, "fix it!")

Also, I thought Goons were the kings of tinfoil hattery, or is that just everyone else?

Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.

I couldn't agree more, but this is the EVE forums, with more trolls than a Tolkien novel.

And I just realized we have _three_ valid plurals for bonus in German... Seems to be the general attitude lately, allowing more spellings to reduce mistakes -.-

Harvey James will be pleased.

Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.

So Dominix and Ishtar will have the exact same bonuses on their sentries and also have the same drone bay? That seems a little... weird. Shouldn't a battleship have a higher raw damage output?

So Dominix and Ishtar will have the exact same bonuses on their sentries and also have the same drone bay? That seems a little... weird. Shouldn't a battleship have a higher raw damage output?

Not that I'm complaining... new Ishtar looks delicious. But as always, battleships get the short straw again.

Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.

The only correct plural form for bonus, that doesn't make you look like an uncivilized barbarian, is boni.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

(Remember how in the T1 BS changes thread people said that no-one would ever fly a Dominix over a Geddon?)

Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. .

Darn, just when I finished training for Domi's, wham I get hit with the nerf bat.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

This so much. Malcanis for CSM!
Wait..

Every plural word ending in 'i' probably has a way to spell it that doesn't make you look like a pretentious idiot. Octopuses/octopodes, bonuses etc.

This so much. Malcanis for CSM!
Wait..

Every plural word ending in 'i' probably has a way to spell it that doesn't make you look like a pretentious idiot. Octopuses/octopodes, bonuses etc.

For some words it is correct. Bonus is not one of them.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

Glad someone else remembers this =)

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

They're still pretty fugly.

The only correct plural form for bonus, that doesn't make you look like an uncivilized barbarian, is boni.

Corrected for you, Malcanis.

Glad someone else remembers this =)

We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

You CAN place a bounty on them. Sad you can't put a detail as to why, though. (Y'all are on the CSM, "fix it!")

Also, I thought Goons were the kings of tinfoil hattery, or is that just everyone else?

This is disappointing. Time to up my media library so i can watch movies while my sentry boat shoots what the FC points at for the next year.

Now that creates a dilemma. What is better: uneducated pretentious idiot with boni or uncivilized barbarian with anything but boni?

We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

How about nerfing Minmatar T2 base resists as they have a higher base amount?

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

How about also changing how omni's have rather ridiculous bonuses compared to gun tracking mods?, reduce the bonus and make them scripted.

How about nerfing Minmatar T2 base resists as they have a higher base amount?

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

or maybe just a common error made by people coming from countries where "Boni" is the more educated plural and "Bonusse" is just the common version used by uneducated l33t h@ckzzor kiddies or slumfolks. Yes Boni is still not correct in english but preached with cane at less anglocentric places. dear ask in your own TS, half your alliance would say Boni.

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

yeah i saw this comming after the ishtar...

question though will you also be removing the 8th low slot from the mega?

as its become FOTM too.

perhaps a Polish pass of all BS would be a good idea.

what about drone assist mechanics?

These forums are anglocentric.

I kind a sorta quite like the aesthetic of the Domi

Did I hear someone asking for a Polish pass?

These forums are anglocentric.

Thread is now pluralchat.

To contribute, Dominix -> Dominices?

CCP Rise you can probably lock the thread by this point as it has gone off topic and no one has really opposed the decision.

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

These forums are anglocentric.

It almost seems like the navy dominix should get the drone tracking+optimal bonus @ the old 10%, and the normal dominix gets the gun bonus like the vexor. Maybe remove a high on the navy domi and give it another mid/low to specialize into the drone role.

Then, the dominix is in line with the vexor, and the navy vexor leads to the navy domi (and the ishtar is a specialization kind of like a zealot to a navy issue omen).

>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit

le 4 chan army !!!

It almost seems like the navy dominix should get the drone tracking+optimal bonus @ the old 10%, and the normal dominix gets the gun bonus like the vexor. Maybe remove a high on the navy domi and give it another mid/low to specialize into the drone role.

Then, the dominix is in line with the vexor, and the navy vexor leads to the navy domi (and the ishtar is a specialization kind of like a zealot to a navy issue omen).

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

Dont you guys test this cr__ before putting it out and than having the smart idea that is OP and than changing it again.
Its nice to see my montly money going to good work.

as the whole plural chat is still going on i feel the urge to butt in as i'm terrible with the english language.

the oed says it's bonuses not boni. You can argue however much you like and say what you like about how it's done in latin but lets face it english is not latin.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/plurals-of-nouns <-- the proof

"If the noun ends with -ch, -s, -sh, -x, or -z, add -es to form the plural" <-- the qoute
"ThereGÇÖs one exception to this rule. If the -ch ending is pronounced with a GÇÿkGÇÖ sound, you add -s rather than -es" <-- the exception to the rule

Since the correct noun form in Latin is "bonum", the plural in Latin would be "bona" and not "boni".

I kind a sorta quite like the aesthetic of the Domi

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.

Dominix is in a good place for pve. Other drone ships like the Ishtar deserve similar bonuses.

Alliance tournaments are so contrived with the rules and bans as to render them an entirely different game than Eve Online.

10% bonus needs to remain. There is no reason why this bonus should change, except that you saw issues in the alliance tournaments. People will simply fly fewer dominix in pve with the 7.5% change.

Like your 4% resist nerf. Now fewer people fly the resist bonused ships in fleets. Not sure what good that did. Made logistics less relevant for those ships. Down with strategic ops, up with guerrilla warfare. I disagree, but whatever.

Just stop pretending that this isn't about your contrived alliance tournaments with all those stupid rules about less than 2 of one ship except when flagship or when flown upside down and sideways, etc.. If you are going to nerf stuff randomly, at least be honest with us about your reasons; this is about AT. Or if you prefer to attempt to fool us, at least wait a few months after AT has finished.

Really CCP ?
again ?

you mess with drones and now with dominix

Why don't you just remove Gallente ships from the game?

The fix to 90% of drone issues is simple, obvious and probably pure demonic heresy to some: allow drones to slowly repair their armor while in the bay. You can still lose them if you're not playing with both halves of your brain but this would allow for a lot of flexibility in balancing them. I wouldn't even be opposed to requiring a drone repair module to enable this ability, although if I'm losing a slot I'd want fairly decent repair speed, and I'd hope it would rep their hull as well.

It's a relatively minor change and I see where it's coming from. But it's not exactly tin-foil-hattery to think ATXI was a contributing factor.

However, drone assist mechanics are far more of the problem then the tracking bonus itself. I realize this is all tangled up in old code, but it is the primary issue here imo

True, there are so many problems with drones. Let's not fix any of them. Instead let's quickly respond to a vocal minority upset by one friggin alliance tournament, by nerfing them or the ships that use them.

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

Well, something is clearly OP when people want to keep it unchanged.

Could you add gun assist and missile assist in the meantime so other fleet comps can be equally free of individual effort in any way

The tank has always been solid on this ship but the DPS was always abysmal

If by "abysmal" you mean the highest dps of any T1 subcap, then yes.

Glad someone else remembers this =)

If anything, the domi is too strong, tracking and range bonused sentries will make mincemeat out of all sorts of things.

Gotta admit it is a little suspect, not as if people didn't question the wisdom of the 10% bonus prior to implementation. He is however probably telling the truth when he says the tourny was not the deciding factor, but there is no way it was not a contributing factor. Main thing is likely the FC assigned sentries from blobs in null that I hear is all the rage and has spawned Goddess knows how many threads to date.

Gotta admit it is a little suspect, not as if people didn't question the wisdom of the 10% bonus prior to implementation. He is however probably telling the truth when he says the tourny was not the deciding factor, but there is no way it was not a contributing factor. Main thing is likely the FC assigned sentries from blobs in null that I hear is all the rage and has spawned Goddess knows how many threads to date.

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

Man, so many tears in this thread. At this rate there'll be enough to fill my stores. I'm actually quite appreciate of this change. It brings them more in line but still leaves them with advantages over turrets.

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

^^
So you would rather have the old CCP back where they would just balance change something and forget about it for 3-6 years?

(cough)Eos(cough)

The Domi is balanced with a 10 percent bonus. There are so many other ships in the game that need a balance pass and the Domi is not one of them. Especially when removing their DPS is EASY compared to removing DPS of a turret or missile ship.

So yes It could have stood that way for 3-6 years and been fine. Only fools were complaining about the domi and it is saddening to see CCP accepting the arguement of fools instead of focusing development time on aspects of the game that need changing now. (Logistics need so much development time)

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament

Logistics aren't even up on the table yet and I severely doubt that this is taking any real amount of time save looking over the usage and effectiveness of the ship on TQ, which is what they should be doing anyways. The revised bonus leaves you at 87% of the effect in range and tracking you had before and the ship was useable even before that bonus was applied. A single Omni tracking link more than makes up the loss.

Edit: Math Fail, I compared lvl 5 of the current to lvl 4 of the revised, you're actually getting ~92% range

This is indeed not taking any real time. Not any proper time at all looking at the realistic use of this ship as opposed to a stupid tournament.

The nerfs have to stop now. You let this change go through on this already balanced ship. And it will be Drake 2.0 The Domi will be the cause of all EVE Online's ills and then CCP will be more than happy to nerf it again and again.

The Domi is being turned into a scapegoat. And I do not accept that.

I have to agree "Abysmal"=1500 DPS with its current iteration in a lolgank shield tanked fit.

The navy version will get up to 1700 DPs and have better tank.

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

and a typhoon cant get that?

What feedback where they getting to start? Where were the countless topics saying "OMFG DAT DOMI TOO GOOD NERF IT NAO!!!111"

Who asked them to make this change? Especially when there have been countless topics to do something about the ability to AFK while cloaked, Logi UI issues and lack of Killboard, Drone UI, etc..

We were idiots when we thought the first nerf to the Drake was going to be anything but a long line of blame the Drake for everything. And now we want the Domi to be that again? I think not. Stop the nerf to an already balanced ship now and it won't be further nerfed later.

This is an unwanted, pointless change that further punishes those who bother to train to actually fly these ships. On a ship that is already balanced.

It is a complete waste of development resources when far more important changes need the time now.

FINALLY, F*CK YES

I can't tell you HOW many times I have been 1 or 2 shotted by Domis when I'm in a 7km/s frig with max transversal. This OP bonus will finally make it so frigate pilots are viable if a Dominix is on field.

EDIT: lol @ all the butthurt domi pilots who are sad that they won't get easy kills

Sentry drones can't be tracking disrupted, this ship was completely OP before this nerf

I suppose it is possible but you won't like what you need to do it, you are looking at 4 BCUs, 3 DDAs, 4 Ogre IIs, and high damage torpedoes. Your Mids would need to be a microwarpdrive, 2x TP, and 2x SW to catch and apply and damage to your target.
As probably a fitting rig or two.

fu-ük you - it's a carrier - it should be good at hitting everything. The one BS that's not afraid of smaller ships . In fact all BS's should get a drone bonus just for being slow and fat. I can just imagine: 50% to speed and tracking of drones for all BS's - that intie will think twice before trying to sink my BS.

Dont you guys test this cr__ before putting it out and than having the smart idea that is OP and than changing it again.
Its nice to see my montly money going to good work.

We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:

Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.

This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.

In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE.

And this is what's wrong with the world. Everybody wants a solo pwnmobile that can win against everything but overwhelming odds. No paper, we just want rocks.
I for one am happy. The tracking is nasty on these things, and the damage and projection is fantastic. It's like lasers if you couldn't damp them, couldn't TD them (unless you have 5 for each ship, and they don't use cap all and have better tracking, all in exchange for being immovable and destructible... all in all I think it's pretty fair, and that's with the nerf.

and why not for a change a Really Big Bonus to Ewar drones ( because except for ecm drones , people don't really use TD or SD drones )

Sentry Drones have enough disadvantages as it is, the 10% bonus was the only thing that made them worthwhile.

Sentries can be shot, turrets cannot.
Sentries can't move, turrets can.
Sentries can't be overheated, turrets can.
Drone interface is awful.

Someone didn't watch AT it seems.

No sorry .. i was tryng to explain to my opponents ...

What feedback where they getting to start? Where were the countless topics saying "OMFG DAT DOMI TOO GOOD NERF IT NAO!!!111"

Who asked them to make this change? Especially when there have been countless topics to do something about the ability to AFK while cloaked, Logi UI issues and lack of Killboard, Drone UI, etc..

We were idiots when we thought the first nerf to the Drake was going to be anything but a long line of blame the Drake for everything. And now we want the Domi to be that again? I think not. Stop the nerf to an already balanced ship now and it won't be further nerfed later.

This is an unwanted, pointless change that further punishes those who bother to train to actually fly these ships. On a ship that is already balanced.

It is a complete waste of development resources when far more important changes need the time now.

I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.

Thing is, I strongly believe this massive power is well-balanced by the fact that sentry drones are stationary.

If you need to move about the battlefield to tackle things, mitigate damage, provide RR, leave grid and return, etc, you are making the decision to leave the vast majority of your DPS behind if the battle suddenly moves to another grid, or forcing yourself/your fleet to have to slowboat to your sentries and pick them up before you can participate at the battle's new location.

Considering this weakness of a Dominix-based fleet comp, it's okay that their damage projection and tracking are a little OP.

I would understand reducing the range and tracking if there are plans to make sentry drones move at even half the speed of heavies, but assuming they will remain stationary, at least in regards to their use on battleships (carriers are a different story entirely) I think it's perfectly okay for them to be extremely powerful on a single battleship platform.

And in regards to the AT... the very fact that the entire engagement is forced to take place on a single grid is why the Dominix was a bit overpowered. This isn't how fights on TQ work, so I disagree with the nerf. Just make it more expensive on points for future tournaments, nbd.

More importantly, the plural of "Dominix" is "potatoes".

I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.

you think it is balanced they think it is not, and considering they:
#1 dont have a vested interest in the dominix like you do
#2 have more metrics to look at than you do
#3 are both experienced PvPers

theyre probably right.

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

No, they are not right. Or at least they haven't bothered to provide any evidence that suggests that they are. I spent 20+ days training Gallente BS 5 based on the ship bonuses presented by CCP in the BS rebalance. Rise spent 20 seconds writing a post here saying that they are reducing the bonus basically because they can even though he said himself "The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful". Yeah, that sounds like something that needs a nerf.

I understand at times nerfs are necessary. Sometimes CCP implements something on TQ while its still half-baked (SCs, Titans, etc) and sometimes a mechanic is broken or a set of modules is so powerful its game breaking and needs to be adjusted (remote doomsday, nano age). But to nerf the Dominix, without any reason listed to justify it, while none of the other recently rebalanced battleships are being adjusted, is unacceptable.

Rise, if you are going to do this I expect you to at least put an hour into a decent post in this thread to justify why the change is being made. Show us the stats/metrics/information that you have that show why this bonus change is necessary.

No, they are not right. Or at least they haven't bothered to provide any evidence that suggests that they are. I spent 20+ days training Gallente BS 5 based on the ship bonuses presented by CCP in the BS rebalance. Rise spent 20 seconds writing a post here saying that they are reducing the bonus basically because they can even though he said himself "The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful". Yeah, that sounds like something that needs a nerf.

I understand at times nerfs are necessary. Sometimes CCP implements something on TQ while its still half-baked (SCs, Titans, etc) and sometimes a mechanic is broken or a set of modules is so powerful its game breaking and needs to be adjusted (remote doomsday, nano age). But to nerf the Dominix, without any reason listed to justify it, while none of the other recently rebalanced battleships are being adjusted, is unacceptable.

Rise, if you are going to do this I expect you to at least put an hour into a decent post in this thread to justify why the change is being made. Show us the stats/metrics/information that you have that show why this bonus change is necessary.




Please explain to me how any of this translates into a need to adjust the bonus, because all of this sounds to me like more "we are changing this because we can, not because its breaking the game". Yes, the Dominix has more bonus to its primary weapons. Its primary weapons also have a lot of disadvantages that other weapon types do not have. The turrets on your Mega or Mael cannot be destroyed and dont require you to sit still to use them. Also, the Domi has no other weapon bonuses, have you thrown 4-5 unbonused guns on a ship and seen what kind of dps increase that is? Its basically useless.

>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit

Because you have to much tracking. Now you have the BS tanking and the cruiser tracking. The result is very simple to understand, you can one shoot about all freg size in afterburner (add in middle slot some target painter, on neutra in high).

The BS size need to be tackle by freg size.

NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

Should consider an in game fix versus an across the board nerf.

I'd like so see a form of ECM that affects drone boats -either a remote burst module, a ECM smart bomb, or some way to break "assigned" drones from their assignee for a period of time. The now unassigned drones will not fire unless the drone boat manually targets them or manually reassigns them after the cool down period (20 seconds?).

Drone doctrines will still work, but will have another specific counter that will keep pilots at the keyboard. Hell, add TD and SD bombs as well (that only affect drones on account of weak electronics). Then add sensor/tracking compenstion skills for drones and make the whole situation richer and more complicated, rather than a simple nerf.

Haven't had a chance to fly the Odyssey 1.0 Dominix yet, so I can't really offer an opinion on that front.

However, on the issue of the bonus: apparently what we refer to as "bonus" comes from the Latin bonum, a good thing ("bonus" in Latin meant a good man), the plural of which was bona. English being the way it is, things kind of evolved, to the point where "bonuses" became an acceptable plural for "bonus".

More importantly, the plural of "Dominix" is "potatoes".

And we have a winner!!

Thread closed

Sorry, but trying to be pretentious while aparently lacking ANY form of formal education is laughable...

"bonus" is the masculine nominative, "bona" is feminine nominative and "bonum" is neuter nominative.
"boni" is masculine plural.

Source: Actual major in latin in school, you should really try out school...

I don't really understand the need of nerfing of Gallente ships ,
when you "balanced the BS" you put some EWar bonus on other BS of the other races but ... Gallente NO.

We Have to get close to do some good damage but our PvP tank is generally passive armor tanking ...so making your ship an anvil...

railguns ... don't even talk about it ....( except some mega fit )

And we had domi with sentries ... and now because of your ****** tournament you nerf it too.. what's wrong with you people

For years we are asking for some changes and you don't give a **** .. but you spend Dev time on things NO ONE ASK YOU...
i don't get

Really ..THX ccp

and for god sake be honest and tell people to stop skilling drones or Gallente ships because you don't like them

ps: don't forget to make the Domi uglier , and more uglier too!!!

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

this seems a JOKE.
nerfing domi what abt megathron???

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

You're right that there's some distinct disadvantages to using drones (and sentries especially), but think about all the ways the ship is already accounting for that. The biggest one is that it gets more bonuses to its primary weapons than a missile or turret based ship would. This one bonus is giving +50% optimal AND +50% tracking; imagine a Megathron or Maelstrom with that kind of bonus. Drone disadvantages are also balanced by things like having a free top rack that you can use to get even more damage or pick up tons of utility or the ability to switch weapon sizes and damage types freely.

Ever think that maybe this is becuase you can only fly 5 drones whill all other weapons types can have 6,7 even 8 turrets or launchers..... thats why drones should have a bit more bonus

right.... sentry's drones dominated the tournament and this nerf is good

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