You are aware that your figures are wrong for all of your examples, right?

I did write out a large list of how each differing setup of scipt and unscript performs but I will leave it at this due to the damned forum deleting the post for whatever reason.

I cant be arsed re-doing that. I will however just state this.

With 3 TEs and 3 Heaksinks on Pulses, I can get 710 dps out to the same distance gardes get 745 dps with 0.7 rad/s instead of the gardes 0.093.

However I can then use differing ammo to get higher damage (which can also be boosted by hardwiring unlike drones), or better range and tracking with scripts and such. On top of that I can also move and dont have to worry about my weapons being shot off of me, or losing my weapons if I have to warp out in a hurry..

Same or similar is true with other examples, but it took forever to get all of the **** down.

If it saves drafts, why does it only save the most recent...




I am not inherently against this change, but they are making it 7.5 because everything else is 7.5 but everything else has a differing set of mechanics which go along with it. Give me a proper scriptable TC, give me a way to get my drones back in my hold quickly, with a cooldown or such to prevent spamming, make it so if I can target it I can hit it, so on and so forth.

You cant just change things at random to be identical and think that makes things the same, they are entirely different systems.

Pros to drones
1) no one bothers to try and jam or damp or TD sentries.. why would you?
2) no cap usage... so can't be neuted out
3) can assign drones to frigs etc...
4) Can have different drone sizes/ damage types/ranges etc..
5) Can have multiple sets of drones
6) Free highs/ less tackle needed
7) Able to engage all ship types effectively

Cons to drones
can be destroyed
can be left behind
travel time

Your numbers are bullshit. Complete bullshit. There's literally no ******* way a Mega Pulser will get .7 rad/s tracking. My numbers that I posted are right.
Oh, and your TC script numbers are wrong. 7.5% optimal, 15% falloff, 15% tracking, doubling up to 15% Optimal and 30% falloff, or, 30% tracking. But not both at once.

I agree, it doesn't make sense to nerf it for the sake of "other numbers are this, so these numbers will be this", but if it's needed, like I think this one is, I think the nerf has to happen.

3 TCs, 2 unscripted and one tracking.. An apoc with mega pulses and scorch.

Put them in and come back to me.

Hell with non t2 they have better tracking than gardes (but worse dps ofc).

3 TCs, 2 unscripted and one tracking.. An apoc with mega pulses and scorch.

Put them in and come back to me.

Hell with non t2 they have better tracking than gardes (but worse dps ofc).

Oh yeah, missed the 0.0 :D But unless your being an ass you knew what I meant. 0.02 Rad/s is a bit, but then you can script and such to get better as you need it. At the longer ranges 0.07 is plenty (4.5km/s or so target) and as it gets closer you dont need the optimal any more.

Thanks tobias, you made me notice I had put 0.7 instead of 0.07, which makes his post make more sense (indeed I thought he had made the same mistake :D).

Do you notice anything... unusual... on those fits? Modules you don't often see in pvp ship?

...

Wait, wait, waaaaait.....

Is someone seriously using officer mods to make a point?

I mean, I've been drinking and all...but I didnt think I was drinking BLEECH blended with crystal meth.

Your insulting me over a mistype with a post that is riddled with mistypes.

I dont even...

No, I'm laughing at you because you're seriously using officer mods in a balance argument.

That's nothing short of ludicrous.

Then what is post #280 about?

You mean the post where I say officer mods are irrelevant.

Are you even reading this? Or are you just headbutting your keyboard and posting the result?

Well... With T2 TCs that tracking speed drops to 0,0736. Yes, that's with Motion Prediction MR-706.

0.0694 without any implant, which rounded to 2 significant is 0.07.

Right, lets just clear this up.

Are you seriously using a fit that needs officer mods/6% implants to make a point.

Just so we're clear.

Yeah, but what I said all along is that you have near garde dmg at near garde ranges, with the ability to get more damage (994 dps with conflag (1153 with 5 Hammer IIs), up to 1300 ish if you go out the ass with implants and extra damage mods and such, though thats not really worth it). and/or extra tracking when compared to a sentry boat by scripting.

With a pulse apoc.

And finally, "0.9 is far from 0.7". Yes, yes it is. However in practical terms what difference does it really make? Against close up targets both will be out traversalled (and this will be marginally harder to do with the turreted ship due to scripting) and at thier optimal ranges both ships can target ships travelling at ~ 5-6kms laterally to them (so will be able to target faster ships which are actually approaching).

I think the bottom line here is that all drone related things in eve need to be looked at from UI to mechanics to drones themselves as there are clear issues here that need attention and fixing from balancing them to be competitive with the other main weapon systems without being too powerful but justifying it with having to go into massive lists of well........ yes they are better but .... you don't have to warp off and leave your guns behind on other ships etc..

Again you have very weird numbers.

This is closest (cheapest possible) I can get to 994 gun dps and again I had to use module that you don't often see in pvp ship.

[Apocalypse, 981dps]

[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

[Empty Med slot]
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Burst Aerator I
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Hammerhead II x5


Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706
Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1006

Quite nice actually if you think about it. 4 billion in implants do great things.



Optimal range doesn't matter if your guns can't track your target. In case you didn't know pulse lasers have worst tracking of all short range turrets. Conflag also has (again) juicy tracking penalty.