The game is about treason and scamming, you have to know by yourself who you will fly with

Also, the logi stuff

Harry, this game isn't for you..you just do not understand.

Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry!

the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion

No, YOU don't understand!

He has ideas pop up in his head and the impulse of posting them,
without actually putting any deeper thought into them,
prove that he knows what people want and what's good for the game!

Can't you see he's just better and thus, logically, has to dismiss everybody elses opinions?

Edit: Please don't get confused. OUR words are opinions, but his words and ideas are facts!

check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did lie

honesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end

gather some experience in life and you sure come to the same conclusion, trust me that

its not different in a game either

nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic

fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this

the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well

the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion

True for life.
False for EvE.
Also after a roam involving few kills it is fun to select a fleet member and all blow them up. makes almost everyone feel better

If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.

Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.

If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game)

you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently

The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so.

That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence


I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all"

its not a corp think, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup

So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?

Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.

oh man, blocked, I'm shooting industrials since a long time, wake up

those comments bore me to death

you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you dogs are doing it right

trust me its needed, to assure i can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they i am just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up withme... you need to protect me, to assurei can get into the game faster and without frustration

this game is hold up by mechanics favouring winners, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players...
(this last part,btw, is a lie)

you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA.....

Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath....


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reported.

you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right

its just a mechanic to safe the smart from the stupid, its like the forum block button, as simple as that... it can not be in the interest of CCP to just attract silly gamers, let them decide on their own...

you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right

What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?

And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion?

lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander

after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either

at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...

this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win

Play nice, otherwise
I will have to lock, report
I would rather not.


Snipped out derogatory language from some posts.
Please keep posts constructive to the conversation at hand and do not engage in personal attacks.

trust me its needed, to assure new players can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they are just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up with newbs... you need to protect those, to assure they can get into the game faster and without frustration

this game is hold up by mechanics favouring douchebags, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players...

even ISD deceiving here 'some', just Harry's offensive post.

2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation.

Harry you want this game to be something it isn't. Actually, you want something you won't get in any other MMO game

There weren't people enough in your first event to take down Goonswarm, so you gave up and said the few of us were fine enough and gave up on the events.
You saw this wasn't firepower enough, so you ask for a nuke that you can use playing alone.
You get betrayed (which is the essence of the game btw, knowing who you can trust) and you want a mechanism to stop this

You set a huge milestone in your first month in the game and now you are pissed of because its mechanics won't allow you to achieve it easily. You want to have right now something that would take literaly years of planning, and since you can't you want to change a decade old mechanic to allow you.

Sorry pal, that ain't gonna happen, not in this game nor in any other. You should try games like Counter Strike where most of the time only you own skill matter, but you can't change what a game is about.

"this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more

people prefer cavemanstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad

"this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more

people prefer cavemenstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad

1. I take personal affront to this statement. I did not deceive. I edited more than just 1 comment, but to preserve the thread I took care to not just slice and dice by just deleting the post and all that followed.

2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation.

That IS real society... people stab others in the back more frequently than anyone would like. Go to an underdeveloped country where nobody is watching and see if things aren't far worse then what happens in null.

I don't see what more EvE could be, there's an average of thirty thousand folks online everyday in the week and almost sixty thousand in weekend peeks. It can grow but it is not taking this direction.

Already told you, you want fair pvp with "safe" and random fleet ups? Join Factional Warfare. There's penalty for shooting fleet members if they are from your faction afaik and there is a common goal to random folks.

stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic

There is a mechanic to stop it. It's called shooting back.

there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity

I don't tell you what to do either, so stop it now

Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it.

Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't.

I will win this fight anyway, you should start to adapt, trust me

One unfit cyno frig at a time?

Trust me I'm quaking.

Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?

He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it.

Hence a lot of douchebag responses that I have not read yet.

While there is nothing wrong with what the OP suggest,...

I get the impression from your post that he's not the only one whining. Is that a hook stuck on your lip?

If by stuck in my lip that I have multiple toons that are also going to shoot the little punk.


Damn right.

Then you honor him by investing the time.

You're the only douchebag here.

Then you honor him by investing the time.

I usually have multiple accounts running at any given time, it in no way impedes anything I would be doing normally. I guess there are a couple ratters that are going to be without their afk cloaky camper for a minute or two.

Oh noes.

OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.

.

I was expecting that response. The usual hurf blurf.

You know what will happen?

Harry will get another ship.

When we were in null together, i haven't fleeted much with any of you simply because trust is something you have to earn. Never fleet in LS or null with someone you don't know a lot.

You clearly didnt read the OP.

"lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander

after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either"



Your fleet members dont know where you are, unless you tell them, however, "Unable to lock on to fleet members != not knowing where fleet members are"

(also, its not super difficult to find out where people are, but then, you know that :) )

The more important question is, who made the Don Quixote picture for the forums?

you might did play the game in simular ways and that is the reason holding you back

I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.

Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.

Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?

You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game.

people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen

people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen

those kids here need to grow up

I was expecting that response. The usual hurf blurf.

You know what will happen?

Harry will get another ship.

This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours?

And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam.

no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam...

then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude?

sorry, you are not...

Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!

I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them!

no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam...

then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude?

sorry, you are not...

What about the poor honest industrials in null? Surely there should be mechanics set in place so that they don't have to deal with douche bags going after them? Or is that not how it works? Only to your advantage?

To be precise: in eve as IRL it's not honest ppl that fall for scams, but greedy people.

You can see it in the eve scams. The ones that do not want to pay a "fair" price are falling for one type of scam.

it is one for a newb, but yea, you don't get it, thanks for letting us know

Hey guess what, yes, i was once a new player to EVE, as all bitter vets once were, i get it completely.

Your a bad.

Also you offend me and i'm pretty sure a lot of people by insinuating that their IN GAME ROLE PLAY ACTIONS have any bearing on RL persona.

Just because i gank a LVL4 mission runner in HS doesn't mean i grab old lady's handbags because they are easy targets.

Eve is game which is based around the ability to do immoral things that you wouldn't do in RL because its a game based on being a space ship pirate!

I think its you who doesn't understand.

Get a grip.

Eve is not about fairy tales Harry

Stop for 5 minutes and look at the Jita local chat. If you honestly believe that whoever fall for them doesn't deserve it, not only you don't understand the game, you are also not ready to play it.

You can't play a game and expect the other players to accept changes in the rule just because you're losing it. You won't stop people from using cookie cutter moves in chess and you won't be allowed to use your hands in soccer because you're bad with your feet. Accept that.

but thats probably the reason why handball was invented....

what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?

She just got ganked...

you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners...

what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?

you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners...

I'm not sure how this thread got this far because I thought it was an obvious cave troll.. But assuming this is a real discussion..

Mister Harry, you seem to value honesty and want to fight those who opose it. How are you going to be honest when there isn't a window do be dishonest?
There can be no Good when there is no Bad.

The beauty of EVE is the open possibilities. It doesnt mean you got to take every path, but it is there for you to take.

If EVE were to catter to your presumed needs, where you represent the novice podpilots, then we should stop with looting, podding and so on. It could be seductive to some people in the short term, but in the long run we need to feel the possibilities, we need to throw ourselves in the random and ride the spiral to the end..

probably right, however I wanted to tell some poeple in the game that dishonest behaviour is nothing cool, some seem to have a wrong understanding of it here.... the honest guys are the cool guys

I was sure those who don't want to believe that would cry me a thousand tears in this thread, I would say mission accomplished when looking at all the blocked commentators

Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry!

probably, so you doing gods work by scamming, interesting indeed

it actually is what happened in the maddoff scandal, he only scammed the superrich

did it endup by the poor? if you scam for that reason, you get my vote, but if you scam for greed you won't

It's also dangerously close to being in the wrong forum, since it's a GǣFeature and ideaGǥ kind of topic. The only think that really keeps it from being that is its blatant trollish natureGǪ

Taking bets now: move before lock or lock before move?

I choose highsec miners because the quality and quantity of their tears is superior. Basically, it's funnier to pick on them than almost anyone else.

This is because of their entitled mindset; they think they are entitled to complete safety in highsec (which of course they aren't) and as such they raise a much bigger fuss than other people. Which in turn increases my amusement.

The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception.

I do these so I can continue to pvp.

This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites.

Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.

The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception. To say every miner or Indy has this is more than a little presumptuous on your part. I do these so I can continue to pvp. This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites.

Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.

Oh, so the guy who was screaming "It's HIGH sec!!!!" at me yesterday after I managed to take his pod as well, that was just my own perception?

It's very real. An attempt to deny the entitlement mindset of so many highsec denizens is merely attempted defense of an indefensible group of people.



Sure you do, bro.



What diversity? It's mining. Just that, no diversity, you are just a miner. And, the rest of us will continue to make money exploring like we always did, and the scrubs will still be the scrubs.

Yes because one person does it so that has to mean every miner and Indy does right? ugghh common sense.

Diversity, yes look it up if you need to. For me it means I mine and indy one account while ALSO ratting and relics and trading on my other dedicated pvp account.

A lot of companies do this diversity thing in real life to allow them to weather economic hard times.

Well, all of the ones I've found so far. It's the rare miner who won't rage at me. The vehemence unleashed at the destruction of their pixels is such that you'd think I'd absconded with their children.



At what point did anyone but you start talking about that crap, though?

Harry asked why we attack miners. My answer is, because it's more amusing, since they pitch bigger fits than anyone else. I believe they do this because they are much more prone to having an entitlement mindset.

But I must ask, is not the raging from ganked miners on par with the raging against Harry's nullsec endeavors?

The people claiming to be against self entitlement are showing the same sense of entitlement,

But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.

They have not stopped mining you see.

Why is only your amusement the only legitimate kind? Where did you get that sense of entitlement?

Ah you want to pyschobabble now. This is a standard Conan The Internet Contrarian method, as usual.

Harry has enough people NOT in the forums supplying him with ships. That matters more.

He's doing exactly what every leet pvper troll in the forums says what everybody should do. All he got for that was trolled.

I don't block people, but I will choose not to waste more time on you. Everything I say you will "wordsmith". You remind me of my ex who would pick one word out of one sentence and then spawn an entirely new argument about it. I won't say the word that applies, since you will get smug and post "reported" using ISD as your personal weapon.

But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.

They have not stopped mining you see.

Ah you want to pyschobabble now. This is a standard Conan The Internet Contrarian method, as usual.

Harry has enough people NOT in the forums supplying him with ships. That matters more.

He's doing exactly what every leet pvper troll in the forums says what everybody should do. All he got for that was trolled.

I don't block people, but I will choose not to waste more time on you. Everything I say you will "wordsmith". You remind me of my ex who would pick one word out of one sentence and then spawn an entirely new argument about it. I won't say the word that applies, since you will get smug and post "reported" using ISD as your personal weapon.

check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did lie
honesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end

gather some experience in life and you sure come to the same conclusion, trust me that

its not different in a game either

It's quite common in society these days for people to point their finger at others while exhibiting an inability to look in a mirror.

The sense of entitlement is across the board.

But I must ask, is not the raging from ganked miners on par with the raging against Harry's nullsec endeavors? I see the same kind of mentality in either kind of thread. Whether it's Harry saying that nullsec in part should be invaded, or somebody who was running cargo AFK in Eudema and got smacked, the replies look the same.

The people claiming to be against self entitlement are showing the same sense of entitlement, as if there's some obligation to destroy entitlement, but no question as to who or what made them feel entitled to be the ones to carry out such a mission.

But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.

They have not stopped mining you see.


Isn't going to nullsec and attacking the bears out there not amusing? Seeing goons deploy trolls to the forums is not amusing? Seeing them send out bait ships and start camping the road to VFK more is not amusing? Joepopo failing to catch Harry's double-stabbed cat with an instacane (after being told in the forums by another goon that nobody puts stabs in a dessie) and then losing the instacane is not amusing?

When we bombed the Mittangrad undock, I was giggling like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory. I do the same in COD when I sneak up on people and smack them in the head with a rifle butt. Is that not amusing?



Why is only your amusement the only legitimate kind? Where did you get that sense of entitlement?

You made the statement that all miners have a sense of entitlement.

As I pointed out many different people mine, myself encluded to support my PVP. I also pointed out that you assumption was not true or accurate.

That is where diversity came in. I due many things to fund my play style.

Hope this helps you understand better. Have a nice day.

There need be no such mechanic Harry. Part of the point of Eve is the trust game.

A good litmus test for whether a mechanics change in Eve makes sense is the number and complexity of exceptions to the mechanic you'd need to introduce for the game to still work. The requirements for special cases in your requested feature make it unworkable:

Make it so the fleet members can't target each other.

>> what about Logistics?

Except logistics.

>> What if I have logi drones but my ship has weapon systems?

Only the logi drones work not the guns or missiles or other drones or neuts or nos or...

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You have to except the world to make the feature work, and that's a key indicator of bad design.

Also, didn't you make that thread on the fast food generation? Isn't it akin to a fast food version of Eve to erode the trust meta-game? You should enjoy the full complexity of the game and employ your own interpersonal skills to discern the intent of your fellow players.

then they simply make an exception for logi stuff

its not a corp thing, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup

right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all

you think a programmer can not exclude the autocannon and missiles? god you people here...

you think a programmer can not exclude the autocannon and missiles? god you people here...

OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.

So what's being asked for here is a option to prevent giving your location - to anybody.


And what could be wrong with that? What with OGB (and the abuse thereof) you'd think people would want this - to be able to totally protect their untanked off grid command ship.

And we all know how people who fully exploit mechanics to their advantage are never ashamed to ask for more, right?

Don't stare down at your feet. You know who you are.


While there is nothing wrong with what the OP suggest, I will already predict, not having read the thread that he's getting the usual troll responses. I also predict that half of them are from people whose very killboards rely on what the OP is describing. I'm sure there will be the usual sprinkling of people beholden to "the system" as well, having once might have been someone who would have wanted such a feature, but then having been emotionally hurt from being ganked, coped with it by becoming a douchebag too.

Hence a lot of douchebag responses that I have not read yet.

I'll get around to it, if I feel like wasting time.

Because fleets let people shoot eachother legally...

Another quality thread by our great forum warrior Hairy Forever!

lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either

this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win

I already mentioned that the logi stuff could be excluded, thats not hard to program

Wow, that's an AWESOME IDEA!!!

Now I can start up a fleet and jump in a logi. I'll get some "bro's" in the fleet and take them out to aggress some "targets". Then I can disable fleet member targeting and rep the targets, becoming an invulnerable logistics ship regardless of the system's security status, corp affiliation or suspect timer! You're brilliant!


Wait, what?

I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.

I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.

if you don't want to get screwed by people in your fleet, stay in highsec and leave lowsec/0.0 to those with a stronger backbone

stop demanding that CCP make sweeping changes to the game to accommodate you

just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game

they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that

you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well

Seems to me Eve has enough timers and flags and safeties and whatnot. We don't need any more rules and restrictions on what can be done, enough already!

this harry chap suggests 'getting over' that he is demanding things. I think he needs to get over people disagreeing with him and have a better response to a discussion than simply blocking people.

Oooohhh now i understand this thread!!!

Harry doesn't want you to not be able to lock onto people in the fleet, he wants you to be able to not lock onto people NOT in the fleet!!!

I'm glad i cleared that up. Harry is genius!

wow terrible idea got to 8 pages and still in the wrong forum! i'ma go see if someone will move it

hmm being on the ban list didn't make the thread vanish... :(

if someone could quote me so harry can see that i'm upset by this that'd be a great help

It is important that this duty is carried out.

However, I feel this epic quest will fail due to there being less than 10 people on the forum not currently blocked

lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander

after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either

at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...

this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win

just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game

they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that

you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well

so basically you just want an option to turn logi off?

sounds like the most ******** idea i've seen all week.

This game isn't about "playstyles", it's a sandbox, doubly so outside of highsec. Exceptions are highly antithetical to the sandbox design.

no you are just too stupid to think about excluding logistic modules, a pretty easy task for a programmer... you know this is a game a program, got it?

when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle

fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that

you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"

there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way

do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?

we are not living in caves out here anymore you know

when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle

fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that

you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"

there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way

do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?

we are not living in caves out here anymore you know

This guy is legendary. We need a Jita statue in his name... one that we can shoot at 23/7.

Based on analysis i can finally conclude that we all have been trolled by Hairy Forever.

can't ccp just eject him from 4-4 and give him a suspect flag? surely that's easier than making a new statue.

Dave for CSM! :p

no.

**** no.

i don't want that, ccp wouldn't want that and, the players wouldn't want that.
no. just, no.

god damn rhiv, no.

when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle

fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that

you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"

there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way

do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?

we are not living in caves out here anymore you know

lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander

after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either

at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...

this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win

Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship?

when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle

fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that

you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"

there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way

do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?

we are not living in caves out here anymore you know

Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship?

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people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen

those kids here need to grow up

Your a ******* moron, your government scams you, your employer scams you, hell even your friends would probably scam you. Stop being a naive lil ***** and smell the damn coffee.

ps, since hes a moron 100mil to the one whom brings me his frozen corpse.

I'm honestly surprised no one has bountied the OP yet.