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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:58:00 -
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lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
https:// |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1270
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:59:00 -
[2] - Quote
Because nobody wants logi reps anyway. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:04:00 -
[3] - Quote
The game is about treason and scamming, you have to know by yourself who you will fly with
Also, the logi stuff |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3531
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:05:00 -
[4] - Quote
Because fleets let people shoot eachother legally...
Another quality thread by our great forum warrior Hairy Forever! |

Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
140
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:06:00 -
[5] - Quote
nah |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
90
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:07:00 -
[6] - Quote
Harry, this game isn't for you..you just do not understand. |

Pierrot le fou
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:11:00 -
[7] - Quote
Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:12:00 -
[8] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:The game is about treason and scamming, you have to know by yourself who you will fly with
Also, the logi stuff
nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic
fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this
the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well
the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion https:// |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3532
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:13:00 -
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SKINE DMZ wrote:Harry, this game isn't for you..you just do not understand. No, YOU don't understand!
He has ideas pop up in his head and the impulse of posting them, without actually putting any deeper thought into them, prove that he knows what people want and what's good for the game!
Can't you see he's just better and thus, logically, has to dismiss everybody elses opinions? |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:14:00 -
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Pierrot le fou wrote:Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry!
check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did lie
honesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end https:// |
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
90
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:15:00 -
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maybe the kind of thing you are looking for is parties? there will be a number of games that can provide this for you like Perfect World Online, World Of Warcraft, or even the latest hit Diablo 3 seems to be very popular. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
711
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:15:00 -
[12] - Quote
Alright guys, fess up, who awox'ed him?
Wish I'd thought of it, but it wasn't me. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:16:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion
Other games favour idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion. That's why people come here with idiotic solutions.
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
91
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:16:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:SKINE DMZ wrote:Harry, this game isn't for you..you just do not understand. No, YOU don't understand! He has ideas pop up in his head and the impulse of posting them, without actually putting any deeper thought into them, prove that he knows what people want and what's good for the game! Can't you see he's just better and thus, logically, has to dismiss everybody elses opinions? Edit: Please don't get confused. OUR words are opinions, but his words and ideas are facts! You are correct, my apologies I will retract my latest statement. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:18:00 -
[15] - Quote
lets say hello to all the great fleetkillers, the hardcore PvP experts, all sneaking up on my little thread soon
true heros aren't they?.... https:// |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
35
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:20:00 -
[16] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Pierrot le fou wrote:Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry! check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did lie honesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end gather some experience in life and you sure come to the same conclusion, trust me that its not different in a game either
True for life. False for EvE. Also after a roam involving few kills it is fun to select a fleet member and all blow them up. makes almost everyone feel better  |

Tialano Utrigas
Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet
41
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:20:00 -
[17] - Quote
If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game) |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:21:00 -
[18] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic
fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this
the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well
the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion
The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so.
That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence
I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all" |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:23:00 -
[19] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Pierrot le fou wrote:Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry! check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did lie honesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end gather some experience in life and you sure come to the same conclusion, trust me that its not different in a game either True for life. False for EvE. Also after a roam involving few kills it is fun to select a fleet member and all blow them up. makes almost everyone feel better 
for the long run, you will isolate yourselve, nobody will trust you
you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:24:00 -
[20] - Quote
Tialano Utrigas wrote:If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game)
then they simply make an exception for logi stuff
its not a corp think, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup https:// |
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
92
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:26:00 -
[21] - Quote
One thing I love about you is that you truly believe you have had some great life experience that tells you that you that 'bad' actions in game, means bad results in real life for that person  |

Pierrot le fou
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:26:00 -
[22] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently
So he sucks for not killing cyno ships? |

Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms
1584
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:26:00 -
[23] - Quote
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:29:00 -
[24] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic
fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this
the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well
the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion
The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so. That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all"
trust me its needed, to assure new players can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they are just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up with newbs... you need to protect those, to assure they can get into the game faster and without frustration
this game is hold up by mechanics favouring douchebags, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players... https:// |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
92
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:29:00 -
[25] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
its not a corp think, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup
It's not about making it easier to fleet up for random players, it is about the feeling that you don't know whats going to happen if you fleet up with a random player, he may kill you.. you may kill him.. or you may become partners in crime, it creates a more dynamic game than the ones with the implementations you wish eve had where you know the outcome of every situation.
This is also what made a lot of us subscribe, so it is great for new players who are looking to get into such a game, the rest (like you).. well they simply won't last very long and get grumpy and moany and frankly myself and hopefully CCP don't really care. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:34:00 -
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Pierrot le fou wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?
oh man, blocked, I'm shooting industrials since a long time, wake up
those comments bore me to death https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:35:00 -
[27] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.
you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you dogs are doing it right https:// |

Pierrot le fou
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:35:00 -
[28] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Pierrot le fou wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently So he sucks for not killing cyno ships? oh man, blocked, I'm shooting industrials since a long time, wake up those comments bore me to death
Classic Harry.  |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
714
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:37:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding. you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you dogs are doing it right
Except that they are doing it right. You, with your false expectations (that you would rather enforce than change), are the one who is doing it wrong.
A fleet isn't a party in WoW, dumbass. The only point you are immune to other people is when you're docked. And it will stay that way. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3532
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:40:00 -
[30] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:trust me its needed, to assure i can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they i am just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up withme... you need to protect me, to assurei can get into the game faster and without frustration
this game is hold up by mechanics favouring winners, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players... (this last part,btw, is a lie) |
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms
1584
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:42:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding. you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA.....
Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath....
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Reported. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:42:00 -
[32] - Quote
its just a mechanic to safe the smart from the stupid, its like the forum block button, as simple as that... it can not be in the interest of CCP to just attract silly gamers, let them decide on their own... https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
581
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:43:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding. you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA..... Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath.... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Reported.
blocked https:// |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3532
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:45:00 -
[34] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?
Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding. you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right Wow, best one!!
WE don't know so it needs to change, although HE is doing it wrong the way HE believes it's right because THEN we'd all be doing it right, although WE did it right all along.
This guy has issues... |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
92
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:46:00 -
[35] - Quote
I don't think they classify it as 'silly' Harry, they strongly stand behind these kind of mechanics where they allow anyone to shoot anyone, just like the forum block button you can do this in-game too to the person who attacked you inside your fleet, that's as far as it will go. Stop trying to turn this into the game you want it to be, this game has been running for many years and has a strong community who want these kind of mechanics. |

Psychotic Monk
Big Red Wardec Co Petition Blizzard
1452
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:49:00 -
[36] - Quote
What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?
And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion? Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |

Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms
1586
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:50:00 -
[37] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:its just a mechanic to safe the smart from the stupid, its like the forum block button, as simple as that... it can not be in the interest of CCP to just attract silly gamers, let them decide on their own...
No, you've got it all wrong mate. The whole game is about letting the players decide on their own. Whether or not to take the risk of fleeting up, or any risk for that matter, is a decision that YOU have to make. It takes far less thought if someone makes that decision for you, so don't go pretending like you're a bright spark because you want someone else to make the hard choices for you.
And I think you'll find that most of the players don't want CCP making those kinds of decisions for us. You accused me of doing fleets wrong in an above post, which I reported for the extremely offensive way in which you addressed me. But I also found it incredibly amusing, since I have never been attacked by the people I've fleeted with, and yet you have. Seems to me one of us is confused about the distinction between doing it wrong and doing it right, and it's certainly not me.
The irony in asserting that I'm the one doing it wrong when you're the one getting awox'd is so incredibly funny I almost didn't report you, I just wanted to see more tears. But you need to learn a lesson that there is no place for that kind of abuse. The language I don't have a problem with, but if you're just going to be abusive then there's no point to the discussion in the first place. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Pierrot le fou
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:51:00 -
[38] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:you monkeys simply do not understand what fleeting up means, thats why we need a mechanic to assure you faggots are doing it right
Then what is the right way? Are you saying people who fleet up shouldn't be able to shoot each other? Are you saying that random people, should meet up randomly, to go out randomly, and randomly shoot at things in arbitrarily chosen places? It lacks total direction. You'll have your highsec peasants wondering where to go, what to do, what to fit. All you say is "Go to VFK, make personal epic stories of heroic tales" but you don't give them any direction, any help, any inspiration. There is no purpose behind the words, no substance, it's all empty.
Your phrases are like a politicians. It reminds me of a plaque I saw for a political party advertising their party as "simply human". Well, of course you are human, was I supposed to vote for the insectoid party? You claim to be King of Highsec, but even a king has legitimacy, through power. Not birth right, not self-proclamation, or the will of god, but power. Sheer power. You have it neither in your actions, nor your words. Misdirected, solitary, and without any clear path. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
588
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:53:00 -
[39] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?
And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion?
I'm bringing societey to you animals, you long enough lived in stoneage https:// |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
32
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:56:00 -
[40] - Quote
I like harry , i +1 all his comments |
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:01:00 -
[41] - Quote
^ you are deceiving!!!!  |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
33
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:10:00 -
[42] - Quote
There is nobody above you |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:12:00 -
[43] - Quote
There is no one below me either |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:13:00 -
[44] - Quote
LOL rock on Harry. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2544
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:15:00 -
[45] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
Clearly you don't understand this game.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
179

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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:17:00 -
[46] - Quote
Play nice, otherwise I will have to lock, report I would rather not.
Snipped out derogatory language from some posts. Please keep posts constructive to the conversation at hand and do not engage in personal attacks. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
Play nice, otherwise I will have to lock, report I would rather not.
Snipped out derogatory language from some posts. Please keep posts constructive to the conversation at hand and do not engage in personal attacks.
even ISD deceiving here 'some', just Harry's offensive post. |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
Did the carebear get killed by fleet members posing as "friends"?  My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
Say NO-áto CCP-EA. -áRehabilitate Frank!! |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:50:00 -
[49] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic
fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this
the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well
the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion
The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so. That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all" trust me its needed, to assure new players can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they are just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up with newbs... you need to protect those, to assure they can get into the game faster and without frustration this game is hold up by mechanics favouring douchebags, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players...
You could form a corp, that way you can protect your newbies from us evil vets.
........because none of us have more than one account, ever ever ever. |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:16:00 -
[50] - Quote
Harry you want this game to be something it isn't. Actually, you want something you won't get in any other MMO game
There weren't people enough in your first event to take down Goonswarm, so you gave up and said the few of us were fine enough and gave up on the events. You saw this wasn't firepower enough, so you ask for a nuke that you can use playing alone. You get betrayed (which is the essence of the game btw, knowing who you can trust) and you want a mechanism to stop this
You set a huge milestone in your first month in the game and now you are pissed of because its mechanics won't allow you to achieve it easily. You want to have right now something that would take literaly years of planning, and since you can't you want to change a decade old mechanic to allow you.
Sorry pal, that ain't gonna happen, not in this game nor in any other. You should try games like Counter Strike where most of the time only you own skill matter, but you can't change what a game is about. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
180

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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
SKINE DMZ wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
Play nice, otherwise I will have to lock, report I would rather not.
Snipped out derogatory language from some posts. Please keep posts constructive to the conversation at hand and do not engage in personal attacks.
even ISD deceiving here 'some', just Harry's offensive post.
1. I take personal affront to this statement. I did not deceive. I edited more than just 1 comment, but to preserve the thread I took care to not just slice and dice by just deleting the post and all that followed.
2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15980
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:23:00 -
[52] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation. It's also dangerously close to being in the wrong forum, since it's a GǣFeature and ideaGǥ kind of topic. The only think that really keeps it from being that is its blatant trollish natureGǪ
Taking bets now: move before lock or lock before move?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
593
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:30:00 -
[53] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry you want this game to be something it isn't. Actually, you want something you won't get in any other MMO game
There weren't people enough in your first event to take down Goonswarm, so you gave up and said the few of us were fine enough and gave up on the events. You saw this wasn't firepower enough, so you ask for a nuke that you can use playing alone. You get betrayed (which is the essence of the game btw, knowing who you can trust) and you want a mechanism to stop this
You set a huge milestone in your first month in the game and now you are pissed of because its mechanics won't allow you to achieve it easily. You want to have right now something that would take literaly years of planning, and since you can't you want to change a decade old mechanic to allow you.
Sorry pal, that ain't gonna happen, not in this game nor in any other. You should try games like Counter Strike where most of the time only you own skill matter, but you can't change what a game is about.
"this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more
people prefer cavemanstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad https:// |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: "this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more
people prefer cavemanstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad
That IS real society... people stab others in the back more frequently than anyone would like. Go to an underdeveloped country where nobody is watching and see if things aren't far worse then what happens in null.
I don't see what more EvE could be, there's an average of thirty thousand folks online everyday in the week and almost sixty thousand in weekend peeks. It can grow but it is not taking this direction.
Already told you, you want fair pvp with "safe" and random fleet ups? Join Factional Warfare. There's penalty for shooting fleet members if they are from your faction afaik and there is a common goal to random folks. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
"this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more
people prefer cavemenstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad
If you don't shut up I'm going to start putting my alts in your fleets, they can be a bit.....erm triggerhappy
That being said, welcome to eve, spying, scamming, back-stabbing and double dealing is all part of the game, entire coalitions have been brought down by it......so you should shouldn't be surprised that it happening with your un-backchecked random pack of high sec bears (and null dudes alts)
The reigning thought on the matter is "why didn't I think of that." If you don't want to deal with such affairs, feel free to form your own corp so you can require a history check.
That being said, this is a sandbox game, might makes right, and frankly you aren't very mighty. You want Eve to play the way you envision it, you have to be able to enforce your vision on Eve...and survive. |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:41:00 -
[56] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:SKINE DMZ wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
Play nice, otherwise I will have to lock, report I would rather not.
Snipped out derogatory language from some posts. Please keep posts constructive to the conversation at hand and do not engage in personal attacks.
even ISD deceiving here 'some', just Harry's offensive post. 1. I take personal affront to this statement. I did not deceive. I edited more than just 1 comment, but to preserve the thread I took care to not just slice and dice by just deleting the post and all that followed. 2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation. I am talking about deceiving, you are trying to get me to talk about illegal matters and frankly I am personally offended. I disagree |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
218
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:41:00 -
[57] - Quote
Dear Harry: Go Away. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
593
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: "this is EvE" i know that statement, I'm just telling you, that statement is holding it back... EvE could be so much more
people prefer cavemanstyle gameplay over a real society that could unfold... too sad
That IS real society... people stab others in the back more frequently than anyone would like. Go to an underdeveloped country where nobody is watching and see if things aren't far worse then what happens in null. I don't see what more EvE could be, there's an average of thirty thousand folks online everyday in the week and almost sixty thousand in weekend peeks. It can grow but it is not taking this direction. Already told you, you want fair pvp with "safe" and random fleet ups? Join Factional Warfare. There's penalty for shooting fleet members if they are from your faction afaik and there is a common goal to random folks.
again, if you want to do FW, do it, but trust me I know what I want to do and I'm doing it... I don't tell you what to do either, so stop it now
there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity https:// |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:43:00 -
[59] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic
There is a mechanic to stop it. It's called shooting back.
HTFU!...for the children! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
593
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:45:00 -
[60] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Harry Forever wrote:stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic There is a mechanic to stop it. It's called shooting back.
I don't want to hurt those chicken https:// |
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity
Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it.
Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't. |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:46:00 -
[62] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: I don't tell you what to do either, so stop it now Oh the irony... I disagree |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
593
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Harry Forever wrote: there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity
Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it. Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't.
I will win this fight anyway, you should start to adapt, trust me https:// |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Onictus wrote:Harry Forever wrote: there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity
Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it. Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't. I will win this fight anyway, you should start to adapt, trust me
One unfit cyno frig at a time?
Trust me I'm quaking. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
593
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Onictus wrote:Harry Forever wrote: there are rules in developed societies, and there are reason for those rules, if people want to stay animals fine, I still will fight for humanity
Guess what, you don't have a developed society. Individual alliances (and corps to a lesser extent) all have their own cultures, Eve as a whole is what you make of it. Don't like it, you better start kicking over sandcastles, you only get to declare the rules of society if you have power, and you don't. I will win this fight anyway, you should start to adapt, trust me One unfit cyno frig at a time? Trust me I'm quaking.
haulers, its haulers...
blocked https:// |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
Oh good, all of my neutral alts are now joining smart guy's channel.
This ought to be fun. |

bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
139
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:06:00 -
[67] - Quote
When we were in null together, i haven't fleeted much with any of you simply because trust is something you have to earn. Never fleet in LS or null with someone you don't know a lot. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3283
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:17:00 -
[68] - Quote
OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.
So what's being asked for here is a option to prevent giving your location - to anybody.
And what could be wrong with that? What with OGB (and the abuse thereof) you'd think people would want this - to be able to totally protect their untanked off grid command ship.
And we all know how people who fully exploit mechanics to their advantage are never ashamed to ask for more, right?
Don't stare down at your feet. You know who you are.
While there is nothing wrong with what the OP suggest, I will already predict, not having read the thread that he's getting the usual troll responses. I also predict that half of them are from people whose very killboards rely on what the OP is describing. I'm sure there will be the usual sprinkling of people beholden to "the system" as well, having once might have been someone who would have wanted such a feature, but then having been emotionally hurt from being ganked, coped with it by becoming a douchebag too.
Hence a lot of douchebag responses that I have not read yet.
I'll get around to it, if I feel like wasting time. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
405
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:23:00 -
[69] - Quote
Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?
He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3285
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?
He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it.
I get the impression from your post that he's not the only one whining. Is that a hook stuck on your lip? |
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Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:36:00 -
[71] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Hence a lot of douchebag responses that I have not read yet.
Yes, you'll see a lot of douchebag responses ... by him.
Nobody is talking about command ships. Nobody is talking about location. Nobody is talking about individual fleet members having an option. He wants the option (for the FC) to prevent fleet members from LOCKING each other.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: While there is nothing wrong with what the OP suggest,...
There are a lot of things wrong with the OP and his suggestion and your response seems to be aimed at something completely different. |

Effect One
Delta Core Minor
73
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:39:00 -
[72] - Quote
You're the only douchebag here. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
407
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:41:00 -
[73] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?
He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it. I get the impression from your post that he's not the only one whining. Is that a hook stuck on your lip?
If by stuck in my lip that I have multiple toons that are also going to shoot the little punk.
Damn right. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3285
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?
He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it. I get the impression from your post that he's not the only one whining. Is that a hook stuck on your lip? If by stuck in my lip that I have multiple toons that are also going to shoot the little punk. Damn right.
Then you honor him by investing the time. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
408
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:57:00 -
[75] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Then you honor him by investing the time.
I usually have multiple accounts running at any given time, it in no way impedes anything I would be doing normally. I guess there are a couple ratters that are going to be without their afk cloaky camper for a minute or two.
Oh noes. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:06:00 -
[76] - Quote
Effect One wrote:You're the only douchebag here.
yet another angry fleetmateshooter, I'm loving it https:// |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
you're loving it so much you're making threads about it so you can stop it? I disagree |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Where in the hell did you come up with that drivel?
He's whining about getting awox'd......not to mention that all of his whining about it just made sure that a LOT more people do it. I get the impression from your post that he's not the only one whining. Is that a hook stuck on your lip? If by stuck in my lip that I have multiple toons that are also going to shoot the little punk. Damn right. Then you honor him by investing the time.
hope he finds the undock button https:// |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3285
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:09:00 -
[79] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Then you honor him by investing the time.
I usually have multiple accounts running at any given time, it in no way impedes anything I would be doing normally. I guess there are a couple ratters that are going to be without their afk cloaky camper for a minute or two. Oh noes.
I was expecting that response. The usual hurf blurf.
You know what will happen?
Harry will get another ship. |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
360
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:10:00 -
[80] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.
.
You clearly didnt read the OP.
"lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either"
Your fleet members dont know where you are, unless you tell them, however, "Unable to lock on to fleet members != not knowing where fleet members are"
(also, its not super difficult to find out where people are, but then, you know that :) )
The more important question is, who made the Don Quixote picture for the forums? |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
716
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:14:00 -
[81] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Then you honor him by investing the time.
I usually have multiple accounts running at any given time, it in no way impedes anything I would be doing normally. I guess there are a couple ratters that are going to be without their afk cloaky camper for a minute or two. Oh noes. I was expecting that response. The usual hurf blurf. You know what will happen? Harry will get another ship.
You forgot, "then we will all have a good laugh at his expense".
[Edit: You seem to think that any of us care about the small costs involved. We don't. At this point, if I get an awox alt into his fleet/corp/whatever, I do it for the lulz, and the lulz alone. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:18:00 -
[82] - Quote
bloodknight2 wrote:When we were in null together, i haven't fleeted much with any of you simply because trust is something you have to earn. Never fleet in LS or null with someone you don't know a lot.
I think you do not trust others because you are not trusthworthy on your own
you might did play the game in simular ways and that is the reason holding you back
everybody can have my trust right from the start, there is nothing to earn
however once lost, it never will come back https:// |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3285
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 16:18:00 -
[83] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.
. You clearly didnt read the OP. "lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either" Your fleet members dont know where you are, unless you tell them, however, "Unable to lock on to fleet members != not knowing where fleet members are" (also, its not super difficult to find out where people are, but then, you know that :) ) The more important question is, who made the Don Quixote picture for the forums?
Ah yes I was under the impression that this was about location, not locking on.
But you are the first to explain that. Thank you.
So far the only thing I can think of is a Target Lock Breaker to achieve a goal of not being locked, but this also makes actual fighting a bit difficult, and it only fits on battleships. I have three of those modules because they are so useless they risk becoming collectors items.
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Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.
Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.
Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?
You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game. |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:28:00 -
[85] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
you might did play the game in simular ways and that is the reason holding you back
You can almost see the vein popping from his forehead on his character portrait. Sounds like he is about to crack! My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
Say NO-áto CCP-EA. -áRehabilitate Frank!! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:28:00 -
[86] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.
Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.
Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?
You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game.
people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
those kids here need to grow up https:// |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:31:00 -
[87] - Quote
Quote:people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
Bwa ha ha ha ha!
Really? You think financial crime is punished in real life?
Go work for an insurance company for a while and tell me that again, I dare you. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:32:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!
I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them! |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:33:00 -
[89] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
those kids here need to grow up
This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours?
And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
409
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:36:00 -
[90] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Onictus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Then you honor him by investing the time.
I usually have multiple accounts running at any given time, it in no way impedes anything I would be doing normally. I guess there are a couple ratters that are going to be without their afk cloaky camper for a minute or two. Oh noes. I was expecting that response. The usual hurf blurf. You know what will happen? Harry will get another ship.
Yup and I'l get to laugh at a another silly thread like this. I can afford a LARGE number of hulls. |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:37:00 -
[91] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
those kids here need to grow up
This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours? And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam.
no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam...
then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude?
sorry, you are not... https:// |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
409
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
lol yup viens on forehead. |

Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:45:00 -
[93] - Quote
This is a good idea, Thank you Obama! Thank You Obama! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:45:00 -
[94] - Quote
Quote:no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam...
then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude?
sorry, you are not...
Confirming that I am utterly incapable of telling a game from reality, and that I awox people in real life. And so does everyone else who disagrees with Harry. We're all reprehensible humans beings for not kowtowing to Harry's sense of E-honor, and deep down we regret every decision we've ever made.
...
Or not. Maybe the game was setup with the intent of being all skullduggerous, and maybe some people enjoy roleplaying in that manner. And maybe, just maybe, a lot of people like that play EVE Online.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 16:48:00 -
[95] - Quote
Templar Knightsbane wrote:Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!
I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them!
it is one for a newb, but yea, you don't get it, thanks for letting us know https:// |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
26
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:50:00 -
[96] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
those kids here need to grow up
This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours? And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam. no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam... then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude? sorry, you are not...
To be precise: in eve as IRL it's not honest ppl that fall for scams, but greedy people.
You can see it in the eve scams. The ones that do not want to pay a "fair" price are falling for one type of scam. |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:50:00 -
[97] - Quote
What about the poor honest industrials in null? Surely there should be mechanics set in place so that they don't have to deal with douche bags going after them? Or is that not how it works? Only to your advantage?
Maybe you should make a thread harry that solo players like you should have access to big bombs that destroy fleets and fleets with ease.. oh wait I disagree |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
409
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:52:00 -
[98] - Quote
SKINE DMZ wrote:What about the poor honest industrials in null? Surely there should be mechanics set in place so that they don't have to deal with douche bags going after them? Or is that not how it works? Only to your advantage?
You can take my cloaky alts from my cold dead hands!!!!! |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
94
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:53:00 -
[99] - Quote
If you don't agree with harry you just don't get it!! We don't have these advanced brains that harry does and there is no way we could comprehend what he is saying. I disagree |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:53:00 -
[100] - Quote
embrel wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:Harry Forever wrote: people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen
those kids here need to grow up
This is a MMO game Harry. There is no "winning". There are personal goals that people try to achieve. What are yours? And no, sorry to burst your bubble, but "they all" don't end up in jail. Also, for every scammer there's an idiot to fall for their scam. no there is a honest person to fall for the scam, and a liar who made the scam... then go on scam in life and in the game, fleetup with sombody and shoot him, you think you are cool then? a really badass dude? sorry, you are not... To be precise: in eve as IRL it's not honest ppl that fall for scams, but greedy people. You can see it in the eve scams. The ones that do not want to pay a "fair" price are falling for one type of scam.
probably, so you doing gods work by scamming, interesting indeed
it actually is what happened in the maddoff scandal he only scammed the superrich
did it endup by the poor? if you scam for that reason, you get my vote, but if you scam for greed you won't https:// |
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Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:56:00 -
[101] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Templar Knightsbane wrote:Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!
I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them! it is one for a newb, but yea, you don't get it, thanks for letting us know
Hey guess what, yes, i was once a new player to EVE, as all bitter vets once were, i get it completely.
Your a bad.
Also you offend me and i'm pretty sure a lot of people by insinuating that their IN GAME ROLE PLAY ACTIONS have any bearing on RL persona.
Just because i gank a LVL4 mission runner in HS doesn't mean i grab old lady's handbags because they are easy targets.
Eve is game which is based around the ability to do immoral things that you wouldn't do in RL because its a game based on being a space ship pirate!
I think its you who doesn't understand.
Get a grip. |

Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:59:00 -
[102] - Quote
Eve is not about fairy tales Harry
Stop for 5 minutes and look at the Jita local chat. If you honestly believe that whoever fall for them doesn't deserve it, not only you don't understand the game, you are also not ready to play it.
You can't play a game and expect the other players to accept changes in the rule just because you're losing it. You won't stop people from using cookie cutter moves in chess and you won't be allowed to use your hands in soccer because you're bad with your feet. Accept that. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
409
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 16:59:00 -
[103] - Quote
Bro, he is so going to block you.
He doesn't take criticism well. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:02:00 -
[104] - Quote
Templar Knightsbane wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Templar Knightsbane wrote:Jesus. This has got to rank up there with worst ever threads!
I have 99 problems being able to be locked by fleetmates is definetely not one of them! it is one for a newb, but yea, you don't get it, thanks for letting us know Hey guess what, yes, i was once a new player to EVE, as all bitter vets once were, i get it completely. Your a bad. Also you offend me and i'm pretty sure a lot of people by insinuating that their IN GAME ROLE PLAY ACTIONS have any bearing on RL persona. Just because i gank a LVL4 mission runner in HS doesn't mean i grab old lady's handbags because they are easy targets. Eve is game which is based around the ability to do immoral things that you wouldn't do in RL because its a game based on being a space ship pirate! I think its you who doesn't understand. Get a grip.
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner? https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:04:00 -
[105] - Quote
Leafar Nightfall wrote:Eve is not about fairy tales Harry
Stop for 5 minutes and look at the Jita local chat. If you honestly believe that whoever fall for them doesn't deserve it, not only you don't understand the game, you are also not ready to play it.
You can't play a game and expect the other players to accept changes in the rule just because you're losing it. You won't stop people from using cookie cutter moves in chess and you won't be allowed to use your hands in soccer because you're bad with your feet. Accept that.
but thats probably the reason why handball was invented.... https:// |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:06:00 -
[106] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:Eve is not about fairy tales Harry
Stop for 5 minutes and look at the Jita local chat. If you honestly believe that whoever fall for them doesn't deserve it, not only you don't understand the game, you are also not ready to play it.
You can't play a game and expect the other players to accept changes in the rule just because you're losing it. You won't stop people from using cookie cutter moves in chess and you won't be allowed to use your hands in soccer because you're bad with your feet. Accept that. but thats probably the reason why handball was invented....
Exactly my point. If you don't like soccer, you go away and play your own game.
If you don't like EVE... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
73
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:07:00 -
[107] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
She just got ganked... |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
95
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:08:00 -
[108] - Quote
then it's fair game to get the old lady's space ship obviously, are you seriously asking that question?
as for your latest post about handball, that's why other more "friendly" MMO's have been invented, you are answering your own questions. I disagree |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
360
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:08:00 -
[109] - Quote
Harry, I believe what you are looking for is a high sec fleet :)
there, the big bad police come and shoot people if they shoot at you while in fleet.
However, as you know, and fully enjoy taking advantage of, the rules in low sec and null are a bit different :) |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
Templar Knightsbane wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
She just got ganked...
you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners... https:// |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Templar Knightsbane wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
She just got ganked... you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners...
I choose highsec miners because the quality and quantity of their tears is superior. Basically, it's funnier to pick on them than almost anyone else.
This is because of their entitled mindset; they think they are entitled to complete safety in highsec (which of course they aren't) and as such they raise a much bigger fuss than other people. Which in turn increases my amusement. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Barkaial Starfinder
Eixo do Mal
68
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:25:00 -
[112] - Quote
I'm not sure how this thread got this far because I thought it was an obvious cave troll.. But assuming this is a real discussion..
Mister Harry, you seem to value honesty and want to fight those who opose it. How are you going to be honest when there isn't a window do be dishonest? There can be no Good when there is no Bad.
The beauty of EVE is the open possibilities. It doesnt mean you got to take every path, but it is there for you to take.
If EVE were to catter to your presumed needs, where you represent the novice podpilots, then we should stop with looting, podding and so on. It could be seductive to some people in the short term, but in the long run we need to feel the possibilities, we need to throw ourselves in the random and ride the spiral to the end.. |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
360
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:28:00 -
[113] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners...
What if that goon is an old lady? What if that goon is ill? What if that goon is a pregnant woman?
In addition, you do not choose goons as your primary target, you choose stationary ships and industrials, safe in the knowledge that concord will not come and shoot you, and you can cloak back up and hide until the next easy target comes along
Meanwhile, you let the goons high sec alts continue doing stuff.....
Tell me again who is preying on the weak here? |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
605
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:32:00 -
[114] - Quote
Barkaial Starfinder wrote:I'm not sure how this thread got this far because I thought it was an obvious cave troll.. But assuming this is a real discussion..
Mister Harry, you seem to value honesty and want to fight those who opose it. How are you going to be honest when there isn't a window do be dishonest? There can be no Good when there is no Bad.
The beauty of EVE is the open possibilities. It doesnt mean you got to take every path, but it is there for you to take.
If EVE were to catter to your presumed needs, where you represent the novice podpilots, then we should stop with looting, podding and so on. It could be seductive to some people in the short term, but in the long run we need to feel the possibilities, we need to throw ourselves in the random and ride the spiral to the end..
probably right, however I wanted to tell some poeple in the game that dishonest behaviour is nothing cool, some seem to have a wrong understanding of it here.... the honest guys are the cool guys
I was sure those who don't want to believe that would cry me a thousand tears in this thread, I would say mission accomplished when looking at all the blocked commentators https:// |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
104
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:36:00 -
[115] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Barkaial Starfinder wrote:I'm not sure how this thread got this far because I thought it was an obvious cave troll.. But assuming this is a real discussion..
Mister Harry, you seem to value honesty and want to fight those who opose it. How are you going to be honest when there isn't a window do be dishonest? There can be no Good when there is no Bad.
The beauty of EVE is the open possibilities. It doesnt mean you got to take every path, but it is there for you to take.
If EVE were to catter to your presumed needs, where you represent the novice podpilots, then we should stop with looting, podding and so on. It could be seductive to some people in the short term, but in the long run we need to feel the possibilities, we need to throw ourselves in the random and ride the spiral to the end.. probably right, however I wanted to tell some poeple in the game that dishonest behaviour is nothing cool, some seem to have a wrong understanding of it here.... the honest guys are the cool guys I was sure those who don't want to believe that would cry me a thousand tears in this thread, I would say mission accomplished when looking at all the blocked commentators
Except nobody is crying, just telling you that what you're doing isn't make a damn bit of difference and there is much better ways of going about completing your goals. Those are the ones you're blocking.
Not that you can see this, you blocked me anyways.  My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
Say NO-áto CCP-EA. -áRehabilitate Frank!! |

ashley Eoner
177
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:40:00 -
[116] - Quote
Pierrot le fou wrote:Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry! Well being the king of highsec then he has no worries because attacking a fleet member in highsec will get your ass concorded. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
26
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 17:53:00 -
[117] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:embrel wrote:
To be precise: in eve as IRL it's not honest ppl that fall for scams, but greedy people.
You can see it in the eve scams. The ones that do not want to pay a "fair" price are falling for one type of scam.
probably, so you doing gods work by scamming, interesting indeed it actually is what happened in the maddoff scandal, he only scammed the superrich did it endup by the poor? if you scam for that reason, you get my vote, but if you scam for greed you won't
Oh, I never scammed.
But, should I have a truly innovative idea that does not involve spamming jita local, I'll sure give it a try. In-game. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:06:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tippia wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:2. This treads dangerously close to discussing forum moderation. It's also dangerously close to being in the wrong forum, since it's a GǣFeature and ideaGǥ kind of topic. The only think that really keeps it from being that is its blatant trollish natureGǪ Taking bets now: move before lock or lock before move? Tip you having a bad hair day? Not like you to have a simple error. Just AXE me and I will tell you the only THINK. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:19:00 -
[119] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Templar Knightsbane wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
She just got ganked... you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners... I choose highsec miners because the quality and quantity of their tears is superior. Basically, it's funnier to pick on them than almost anyone else. This is because of their entitled mindset; they think they are entitled to complete safety in highsec (which of course they aren't) and as such they raise a much bigger fuss than other people. Which in turn increases my amusement.
The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception. To say every miner or Indy has this is more than a little presumptuous on your part. I do these so I can continue to pvp. This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites.
Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception.
Oh, so the guy who was screaming "It's HIGH sec!!!!" at me yesterday after I managed to take his pod as well, that was just my own perception?
It's very real. An attempt to deny the entitlement mindset of so many highsec denizens is merely attempted defense of an indefensible group of people.
Quote:I do these so I can continue to pvp.
Sure you do, bro. 
Quote:This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites.
Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.
What diversity? It's mining. Just that, no diversity, you are just a miner. And, the rest of us will continue to make money exploring like we always did, and the scrubs will still be the scrubs. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
412
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:29:00 -
[121] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Templar Knightsbane wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
what if an old lady is that L4 mission runner?
She just got ganked... you know why I choose the goons as my primary target? ask yourself why you people choose highsec miners... I choose highsec miners because the quality and quantity of their tears is superior. Basically, it's funnier to pick on them than almost anyone else. This is because of their entitled mindset; they think they are entitled to complete safety in highsec (which of course they aren't) and as such they raise a much bigger fuss than other people. Which in turn increases my amusement. The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception. To say every miner or Indy has this is more than a little presumptuous on your part. I do these so I can continue to pvp. This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites. Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.
I dunno what you are talking about, I bank running data and relic sites.
.....oh yeah, I have like 4-5 null sec regions to roam through looking for sites. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:35:00 -
[122] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:The entitled mind set is only that of your own perception.
Oh, so the guy who was screaming "It's HIGH sec!!!!" at me yesterday after I managed to take his pod as well, that was just my own perception? It's very real. An attempt to deny the entitlement mindset of so many highsec denizens is merely attempted defense of an indefensible group of people. Quote:I do these so I can continue to pvp. Sure you do, bro.  Quote:This diversity prevents me from being crippled should they make changes ohhh like to letGÇÖs say running data and relic sites.
Those people that used this path to make isk are now scrambling to find another way to fund their play style.
What diversity? It's mining. Just that, no diversity, you are just a miner. And, the rest of us will continue to make money exploring like we always did, and the scrubs will still be the scrubs.
Yes because one person does it so that has to mean every miner and Indy does right? ugghh common sense.
Diversity, yes look it up if you need to. For me it means I mine and indy one account while ALSO ratting and relics and trading on my other dedicated pvp account.
A lot of companies do this diversity thing in real life to allow them to weather economic hard times.
This allows me to PVP and not have more fun and not worry about the cost if I loose. Which happens often.
Economic lesson is now concluded...have s nice day. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 18:55:00 -
[123] - Quote
Quote:Yes because one person does it so that has to mean every miner and Indy does right? ugghh common sense.
Well, all of the ones I've found so far. It's the rare miner who won't rage at me. The vehemence unleashed at the destruction of their pixels is such that you'd think I'd absconded with their children.
Quote:Diversity, yes look it up if you need to. For me it means I mine and indy one account while ALSO ratting and relics and trading on my other dedicated pvp account.
A lot of companies do this diversity thing in real life to allow them to weather economic hard times.
At what point did anyone but you start talking about that crap, though?
Harry asked why we attack miners. My answer is, because it's more amusing, since they pitch bigger fits than anyone else. I believe they do this because they are much more prone to having an entitlement mindset. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Hugo Z Hackenbush
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:06:00 -
[124] - Quote
You get them Harry! Revenge is sweet! Lie in wait, then torpedo CCP HQ! That'll show 'em! Dirty rat bast.... Oh look a butterfly! Back to my meds... lalalala.
I like squirrels! Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight! |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3288
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 19:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Yes because one person does it so that has to mean every miner and Indy does right? ugghh common sense.
Well, all of the ones I've found so far. It's the rare miner who won't rage at me. The vehemence unleashed at the destruction of their pixels is such that you'd think I'd absconded with their children. Quote:Diversity, yes look it up if you need to. For me it means I mine and indy one account while ALSO ratting and relics and trading on my other dedicated pvp account.
A lot of companies do this diversity thing in real life to allow them to weather economic hard times.
At what point did anyone but you start talking about that crap, though? Harry asked why we attack miners. My answer is, because it's more amusing, since they pitch bigger fits than anyone else. I believe they do this because they are much more prone to having an entitlement mindset.
It's quite common in society these days for people to point their finger at others while exhibiting an inability to look in a mirror.
The sense of entitlement is across the board.
But I must ask, is not the raging from ganked miners on par with the raging against Harry's nullsec endeavors? I see the same kind of mentality in either kind of thread. Whether it's Harry saying that nullsec in part should be invaded, or somebody who was running cargo AFK in Eudema, the replies look the same.
The people claiming to be against self entitlement are showing the same sense of entitlement, as if there's some obligation to destroy entitlement, but no question as to who or what made them feel entitled to be the ones to carry out such a mission.
But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.
They have not stopped mining you see.
Isn't going to nullsec and attacking the bears out there not amusing? Seeing goons deploy trolls to the forums is not amusing? Seeing them send out bait ships and start camping the road to VFK more is not amusing? Joepopo failing to catch Harry's double-stabbed cat with an instacane (after being told in the forums by another goon that nobody puts stabs in a dessie) and then losing the instacane is not amusing?
Why is only your amusement the only legitimate kind? Where did you get that sense of entitlement? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
717
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 19:32:00 -
[126] - Quote
Quote:But I must ask, is not the raging from ganked miners on par with the raging against Harry's nullsec endeavors?
No. In fact, I have yet to see anything that really qualifies as rage in a Harry Forever thread, that wasn't coming from Harry himself.
Rage isn't ridiculing someone who you think has an absurd idea and comports themself like a puffed up messianic figure.
Rage is closing your own threads because you can't dig up anyone else to agree with you.
Quote:The people claiming to be against self entitlement are showing the same sense of entitlement,
No, they aren't. They're laughing at you, yes. They are making fun of you, yes. But with the statement above, you are just projecting.
Quote:But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.
They have not stopped mining you see.
There is a difference, you are just missing what it is.
Quote:Why is only your amusement the only legitimate kind? Where did you get that sense of entitlement?
At what point did I ever say that it was? Projecting again. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3288
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 19:38:00 -
[127] - Quote
Ah you want to pyschobabble now. This is a standard Conan The Internet Contrarian method, as usual.
Harry has enough people NOT in the forums supplying him with ships. That matters more.
He's doing exactly what every leet pvper troll in the forums says what everybody should do. All he got for that was trolled.
I don't block people, but I will choose not to waste more time on you. Everything I say you will "wordsmith". You remind me of my ex who would pick one word out of one sentence and then spawn an entirely new argument about it. I won't say the word that applies, since you will get smug and post "reported" using ISD as your personal weapon.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
719
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:49:00 -
[128] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ah you want to pyschobabble now. This is a standard Conan The Internet Contrarian method, as usual.
Harry has enough people NOT in the forums supplying him with ships. That matters more.
He's doing exactly what every leet pvper troll in the forums says what everybody should do. All he got for that was trolled.
I don't block people, but I will choose not to waste more time on you. Everything I say you will "wordsmith". You remind me of my ex who would pick one word out of one sentence and then spawn an entirely new argument about it. I won't say the word that applies, since you will get smug and post "reported" using ISD as your personal weapon.
That's a really nice way to avoid my rebuttal of your nonsensical attacks. Just outright disqualify any further continuation of the conversation.
Really, step up the plate, I relish a good discussion.
Quote:But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners.
They have not stopped mining you see.
Here, I'll even tell you the difference that I alluded to above.
The difference is, I am not trying to make a difference. Harry is, he has said so on numerous occasions, he had a threadnaught about it for goodness sake.
Nevermind the whole "declare victory by killing unvalued 'assets'" thing. I mean really, telling me that you are defeating the Goons by killing lather-rinse-repeat cyno alts? How could you expect not to be made fun of doing that?
You can supply him with all the ships you want, but it doesn't matter if your strategy remains the same as it has been. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3538
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:50:00 -
[129] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ah you want to pyschobabble now. This is a standard Conan The Internet Contrarian method, as usual.
Harry has enough people NOT in the forums supplying him with ships. That matters more.
He's doing exactly what every leet pvper troll in the forums says what everybody should do. All he got for that was trolled.
I don't block people, but I will choose not to waste more time on you. Everything I say you will "wordsmith". You remind me of my ex who would pick one word out of one sentence and then spawn an entirely new argument about it. I won't say the word that applies, since you will get smug and post "reported" using ISD as your personal weapon. No it's not psychobabble.
He addressed your words. You seem to fail to understand that he did that. You also seem to lack the ability to reflect your own words.
You should try addressing what he said, instead of just dismissing it like a moron who is unable to realize that his opposite is trying to have an *actual* conversation.
You're the timewaster here. He's not a "wordsmith", he is intelligent enough to understand words and their meanings, while you seem to just use them, without actually understanding them.
The issue lies with you, not him. If you really read and understood his word, instead of just reading and projecting, you would be able to have a conversation about it ... but you can't. *can't*. Not "not want".
Try it, you might learn something. |

Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
You're a wizard Harry. |
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1323
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:22:00 -
[131] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Pierrot le fou wrote:Looks like Harry got tricked into believing that someone was going to help him defeat the evil Goon Empire, but alas... King Harry of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 highsec realms, was too gullible and naive to suspect anything. Show us the killmail Harry! check it out, its on the killboard, but you missunderstand naivity with honesty, I'm honest, the others did liehonesty brings you further in life, wherelse liars are shortsighted and will suffer at the end gather some experience in life and you sure come to the same conclusion, trust me that its not different in a game either
Uhm they lied because they knew you are naive .... 
Honesty brings you further in life you say?This is eve , in eve honesty brings you 3 steps back ... i should know as i am allways honest in eve and it never helped me out in any way.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
363
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:05:00 -
[132] - Quote
Maybe they lied to harry cos they didnt like him :) |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:08:00 -
[133] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Yes because one person does it so that has to mean every miner and Indy does right? ugghh common sense.
Well, all of the ones I've found so far. It's the rare miner who won't rage at me. The vehemence unleashed at the destruction of their pixels is such that you'd think I'd absconded with their children. Quote:Diversity, yes look it up if you need to. For me it means I mine and indy one account while ALSO ratting and relics and trading on my other dedicated pvp account.
A lot of companies do this diversity thing in real life to allow them to weather economic hard times.
At what point did anyone but you start talking about that crap, though? Harry asked why we attack miners. My answer is, because it's more amusing, since they pitch bigger fits than anyone else. I believe they do this because they are much more prone to having an entitlement mindset. It's quite common in society these days for people to point their finger at others while exhibiting an inability to look in a mirror. The sense of entitlement is across the board. But I must ask, is not the raging from ganked miners on par with the raging against Harry's nullsec endeavors? I see the same kind of mentality in either kind of thread. Whether it's Harry saying that nullsec in part should be invaded, or somebody who was running cargo AFK in Eudema and got smacked, the replies look the same. The people claiming to be against self entitlement are showing the same sense of entitlement, as if there's some obligation to destroy entitlement, but no question as to who or what made them feel entitled to be the ones to carry out such a mission. But in the end, while it is said that Harry's efforts mean nothing as far as making any difference in nullsec, the same can be said about ganking miners. They have not stopped mining you see. Isn't going to nullsec and attacking the bears out there not amusing? Seeing goons deploy trolls to the forums is not amusing? Seeing them send out bait ships and start camping the road to VFK more is not amusing? Joepopo failing to catch Harry's double-stabbed cat with an instacane (after being told in the forums by another goon that nobody puts stabs in a dessie) and then losing the instacane is not amusing? When we bombed the Mittangrad undock, I was giggling like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory. I do the same in COD when I sneak up on people and smack them in the head with a rifle butt. Is that not amusing? Why is only your amusement the only legitimate kind? Where did you get that sense of entitlement? You made the statement that all miners have a sense of entitlement.
As I pointed out many different people mine, myself encluded to support my PVP. I also pointed out that you assumption was not true or accurate.
That is where diversity came in. I due many things to fund my play style.
Hope this helps you understand better. Have a nice day. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
261
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 21:11:00 -
[134] - Quote
Yet another shiny example of Harry-logic.
Huzzah!
Also: Show me on this ship's blueprints where the bad safari touched you... |

Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
575
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 21:20:00 -
[135] - Quote
There need be no such mechanic Harry. Part of the point of Eve is the trust game.
A good litmus test for whether a mechanics change in Eve makes sense is the number and complexity of exceptions to the mechanic you'd need to introduce for the game to still work. The requirements for special cases in your requested feature make it unworkable:
Make it so the fleet members can't target each other.
>> what about Logistics?
Except logistics.
>> What if I have logi drones but my ship has weapon systems?
Only the logi drones work not the guns or missiles or other drones or neuts or nos or...
---
You have to except the world to make the feature work, and that's a key indicator of bad design.
Also, didn't you make that thread on the fast food generation? Isn't it akin to a fast food version of Eve to erode the trust meta-game? You should enjoy the full complexity of the game and employ your own interpersonal skills to discern the intent of your fellow players. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
720
|
Posted - 2013.08.09 21:26:00 -
[136] - Quote
Quote: You made the statement that all miners have a sense of entitlement.
As I pointed out many different people mine, myself encluded to support my PVP. I also pointed out that you assumption was not true or accurate.
That is where diversity came in. I due many things to fund my play style.
Hope this helps you understand better. Have a nice day.
No, I made the statement that miners' sense of entitlement makes them explode in an impotent fit of rage when they get ganked, or bumped, or when the word "permit" is even jokingly brought up.
And I find that hilarious.
It has nothing to do with how you make money. Nothing whatsoever. Why anyone would bring up exploration in that context, I do not know.
I also stated that I doubt the veracity of your statement that you do this to fund pvp. Given what an outspoken carebear advocate you are on the forums, that is. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
632
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:33:00 -
[137] - Quote
Cynter DeVries wrote:There need be no such mechanic Harry. Part of the point of Eve is the trust game.
A good litmus test for whether a mechanics change in Eve makes sense is the number and complexity of exceptions to the mechanic you'd need to introduce for the game to still work. The requirements for special cases in your requested feature make it unworkable:
Make it so the fleet members can't target each other.
>> what about Logistics?
Except logistics.
>> What if I have logi drones but my ship has weapon systems?
Only the logi drones work not the guns or missiles or other drones or neuts or nos or...
---
You have to except the world to make the feature work, and that's a key indicator of bad design.
Also, didn't you make that thread on the fast food generation? Isn't it akin to a fast food version of Eve to erode the trust meta-game? You should enjoy the full complexity of the game and employ your own interpersonal skills to discern the intent of your fellow players.
I think you people are all not playing the game, nullsec is empty and there are reasons for that, ccp has to do everything to make people go there in groups and fight... too much **** is holding this up
I already mentioned that the logi stuff could be excluded, thats not hard to program
too much waiting and nothing happening, and if something happens its over soon because some douches shoot others in fleet, **** that https:// |

Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
41
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:39:00 -
[138] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Tialano Utrigas wrote:If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game) then they simply make an exception for logi stuff its not a corp thing, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup
right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
632
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:49:00 -
[139] - Quote
Tyrton wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Tialano Utrigas wrote:If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game) then they simply make an exception for logi stuff its not a corp thing, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all 
you think a programmer can not exclude the autocannon and missiles? god you people here... https:// |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
720
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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:01:00 -
[140] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Tyrton wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Tialano Utrigas wrote:If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game) then they simply make an exception for logi stuff its not a corp thing, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all  you think a programmer can not exclude the autocannon and missiles? god you people here...
You're... truly an idiot.
As usual, some fool spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express and thinks he knows everything about programming. Hate to tell you, but you can't snap your fingers and make something any less impossible.
What you are talking about is excluding targeting. Not activation of modules, targeting.
There is no effing way to do such a thing without opening it up to ludicrous abuse. Final. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
262
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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:48:00 -
[141] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Tyrton wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Tialano Utrigas wrote:If someone starts shooting friendlies, you simply kick them from fleet and primary them.
Every meaningful fleet has logi which need to lock someone to repair them.
If your corp is full of morons like that, I suggest you leave the corp (or the game) then they simply make an exception for logi stuff its not a corp thing, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup right i can put three 595's in my highs on my schimy or 2 auto cannons and a missile launcher the game will no that you are targeted by a logi ........ no exploit in this at all  you think a programmer can not exclude the autocannon and missiles? god you people here... Why *should* they? All these exclusions and exceptions you're asking for are sloppy, bad design - Wasteful of developer time and CPU cycles. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
425
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:06:00 -
[142] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:OK so I only read the OP and basically, we could see this is a "switch option". If I am talking to my friends on the phone, I don't have to tell them where I am.
So what's being asked for here is a option to prevent giving your location - to anybody.
And what could be wrong with that? What with OGB (and the abuse thereof) you'd think people would want this - to be able to totally protect their untanked off grid command ship.
And we all know how people who fully exploit mechanics to their advantage are never ashamed to ask for more, right?
Don't stare down at your feet. You know who you are.
While there is nothing wrong with what the OP suggest, I will already predict, not having read the thread that he's getting the usual troll responses. I also predict that half of them are from people whose very killboards rely on what the OP is describing. I'm sure there will be the usual sprinkling of people beholden to "the system" as well, having once might have been someone who would have wanted such a feature, but then having been emotionally hurt from being ganked, coped with it by becoming a douchebag too.
Hence a lot of douchebag responses that I have not read yet.
I'll get around to it, if I feel like wasting time. You should read the responses on a comment before responding. The response is this: This is an addition which would add another level of safety, and thus remove a portion of the game mechanics that make EVE the game that is is. EVE is based on the idea that building trust is incredibly important. Other MMOs will allow you to be able to team instantly with random strangers and have a fun party time, but that's not the way EVE works. With EVE, you need to build and destroy relationships, always with the understanding that things are not always as they seem. That level of meta gameplay is what makes EVE unique, and detracting from that would be going against all of the work that has gone into EVE since it's creation.
The OP is suggesting this idea because it fulfils his immediate need, without any thought on how it affects the whole game. This is understandable, as he is very new to the game. What people get frustrated with is that once they disagree with his posts, he throws around insults and abuse blocking people left right and centre. This leads to situations like me. I will automatically respond to Harry's posts more aggressively that most others as I know the responses I'm likely to receive if I poke any holes in his ideas. I'm sure a lot of the others feel the same. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Black Panpher
Biohazard.
38
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Because fleets let people shoot eachother legally...
Another quality thread by our great forum warrior Hairy Forever!
Because all PVP happens in high sex. Nice self ownage!
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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:42:00 -
[144] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
Wow, that's an AWESOME IDEA!!!
Now I can start up a fleet and jump in a logi. I'll get some "bro's" in the fleet and take them out to aggress some "targets". Then I can disable fleet member targeting and rep the targets, becoming an invulnerable logistics ship regardless of the system's security status, corp affiliation or suspect timer! You're brilliant!
Harry Forever wrote: this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
Wait, what?
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SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
100
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:42:00 -
[145] - Quote
Common sense is high in this thread I disagree |

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
|
Posted - 2013.08.10 02:01:00 -
[146] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: I already mentioned that the logi stuff could be excluded, thats not hard to program
Are you serious? Like really?
You want every offensive module / drone cycle to check not just the target's current fleet association, but also fleet membership history (or time down a flag to check against for every fleet they recently joined/left)?
This would obviously not have any negative repercussions on server performance with 4500 people and 20 fleets in system. Nope. None whatsoever. 
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
634
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:16:00 -
[147] - Quote
Georgina Parmala wrote:Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
Wow, that's an AWESOME IDEA!!! Now I can start up a fleet and jump in a logi. I'll get some "bro's" in the fleet and take them out to aggress some "targets". Then I can disable fleet member targeting and rep the targets, becoming an invulnerable logistics ship regardless of the system's security status, corp affiliation or suspect timer! You're brilliant! Harry Forever wrote: this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
Wait, what?
we already mentioned that the logi stuff could be excluded, don't be so pigheaded... whats wrong with you people, you get stuck too often, stay flexible in your minds, this is rediculous
you only get not targetable by your own fleetmembers when you leave fleet https:// |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1945
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:49:00 -
[148] - Quote
I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1589
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:37:00 -
[149] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.
That would be assuming they have friends..... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8566
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:52:00 -
[150] - Quote
if you don't want to get screwed by people in your fleet, stay in highsec and leave lowsec/0.0 to those with a stronger backbone
stop demanding that CCP make sweeping changes to the game to accommodate you Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:39:00 -
[151] - Quote
Ahh a new thread by harry the clown. May we have the killmail that generated this post? |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:46:00 -
[152] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:I think the weirdest logic here is that anyone would want to team up with a bunch of random nerds when they can just play with their friends.
you just don't understand what a true random is... you are too attached to your "friends"
https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:50:00 -
[153] - Quote
Andski wrote:if you don't want to get screwed by people in your fleet, stay in highsec and leave lowsec/0.0 to those with a stronger backbone
stop demanding that CCP make sweeping changes to the game to accommodate you
just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game
they can decide, whant to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that
you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well https:// |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
427
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:19:00 -
[154] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Andski wrote:if you don't want to get screwed by people in your fleet, stay in highsec and leave lowsec/0.0 to those with a stronger backbone
stop demanding that CCP make sweeping changes to the game to accommodate you just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well You are right, you can demand what you want. That doesn't make it any less stupid though. So expect to continue blocking 99% of the community for disagreeing with you. Personally I love watching you post thread after thread of dumb, badly thought out ideas then crying when you get bashed for it.
Oh, and have you thought maybe you aren't being too flexible yourself? You want everything to be available to you as an individual, so the individual playstyle is king. This is an MMO mate, other people play and it's designed to be better by making friends and playing together. Maybe if you didn't make a fool of yourself daily you'd have more friends to play with. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
46
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:23:00 -
[155] - Quote
Seems to me Eve has enough timers and flags and safeties and whatnot. We don't need any more rules and restrictions on what can be done, enough already!
this harry chap suggests 'getting over' that he is demanding things. I think he needs to get over people disagreeing with him and have a better response to a discussion than simply blocking people. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
727
|
Posted - 2013.08.10 11:26:00 -
[156] - Quote
SmokinDank wrote:Seems to me Eve has enough timers and flags and safeties and whatnot. We don't need any more rules and restrictions on what can be done, enough already!
this harry chap suggests 'getting over' that he is demanding things. I think he needs to get over people disagreeing with him and have a better response to a discussion than simply blocking people.
See, I think he needs to get over more than that. First of all, he needs to get over his bullshit expectations of EVE, and accept it for what it is.
I think he needs to get over himself. And he definitely needs to get over his entitlement mindset. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
34
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:32:00 -
[157] - Quote
You guys dont fly enough drakes |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
363
|
Posted - 2013.08.10 12:01:00 -
[158] - Quote
I am wondering if the "King of High Sec" is going to relocate to save his subject from being exploded by the vicious ebil goonies during the interdiction to come, or whether he will remain shooting industrials and cynos in his bomber (Although, admittedly, at the moment, he is getting exploded more than industrials) |

Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:05:00 -
[159] - Quote
Oooohhh now i understand this thread!!!
Harry doesn't want you to not be able to lock onto people in the fleet, he wants you to be able to not lock onto people NOT in the fleet!!!
I'm glad i cleared that up. Harry is genius! |

Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
24
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:19:00 -
[160] - Quote
wow terrible idea got to 8 pages and still in the wrong forum! i'ma go see if someone will move it |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:19:00 -
[161] - Quote
Templar Knightsbane wrote:Oooohhh now i understand this thread!!!
Harry doesn't want you to not be able to lock onto people in the fleet, he wants you to be able to not lock onto people NOT in the fleet!!!
I'm glad i cleared that up. Harry is genius!
you guys are all the same, if you are lacking some arguments, you just start to be silly... funny
b. https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:21:00 -
[162] - Quote
Gawain Edmond wrote:wow terrible idea got to 8 pages and still in the wrong forum! i'ma go see if someone will move it
wow, terrible comment without content... I goo see if there is still free spots on my b. list...
yea... you are lucky o/ https:// |

Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
24
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:28:00 -
[163] - Quote
hmm being on the ban list didn't make the thread vanish... :(
if someone could quote me so harry can see that i'm upset by this that'd be a great help |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
364
|
Posted - 2013.08.10 12:30:00 -
[164] - Quote
Gawain Edmond wrote:hmm being on the ban list didn't make the thread vanish... :(
if someone could quote me so harry can see that i'm upset by this that'd be a great help
It is important that this duty is carried out.
However, I feel this epic quest will fail due to there being less than 10 people on the forum not currently blocked |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3556
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:33:00 -
[165] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:Gawain Edmond wrote:hmm being on the ban list didn't make the thread vanish... :(
if someone could quote me so harry can see that i'm upset by this that'd be a great help It is important that this duty is carried out. However, I feel this epic quest will fail due to there being less than 10 people on the forum not currently blocked Hey Rhivre, how're you doing ? :D |

Dave Stark
3323
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:33:00 -
[166] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
so basically you just want an option to turn logi off?
sounds like the most ******** idea i've seen all week. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8567
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:43:00 -
[167] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game
they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that
you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well
This game isn't about "playstyles", it's a sandbox. Exceptions are highly antithetical to the sandbox design. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:54:00 -
[168] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
so basically you just want an option to turn logi off? sounds like the most ******** idea i've seen all week.
no you are just too stupid to think about excluding logistic modules, a pretty easy task for a programmer... you know this is a game a program, got it? https:// |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
636
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:57:00 -
[169] - Quote
Andski wrote:Harry Forever wrote:just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game
they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that
you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well This game isn't about "playstyles", it's a sandbox, doubly so outside of highsec. Exceptions are highly antithetical to the sandbox design.
when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle
fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that
you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"
there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way
do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?
we are not living in caves out here anymore you know https:// |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3557
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Posted - 2013.08.10 13:09:00 -
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Based on analysis i can finally conclude that we all have been trolled by Hairy Forever.
It's not a shame to admit it, he simply is that good. Everyone has at least *one* talent and this one is his. I admit that i have been successfully trolled by Hairy Forever, that he is definitely a top dog and that nobody beats him at this.
Ladies and Gentlemen, give it up for the king of all trolls, Hairy Forever !
Applause Applause !
(seriously, no one human being can be that much of a bad person. i feel sad for everybody who has to share reallife with him ... and i'm serious. Please stop feeding him. Thanks.) |
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Dave Stark
3323
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Posted - 2013.08.10 13:14:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
so basically you just want an option to turn logi off? sounds like the most ******** idea i've seen all week. no you are just too stupid to think about excluding logistic modules, a pretty easy task for a programmer... you know this is a game a program, got it?
excluding logistics modules is irrelevant if you can't lock some one.
you haven't thought this through have you? |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
427
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Posted - 2013.08.10 13:14:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Andski wrote:Harry Forever wrote:just get over it, I can demand what i want... not everybody likes your playstyle, that is supported by CCP at the moment... those changes would bring lots of other people, because its easier to get into the game
they can decide, want to grow, some changes have to be made to attract the randoms, good for you as well, more fleets out there who fight... not sure why you guys are so eagerly against that
you as well see the game way too static, this is a developing thing and things will change, its not chess... just adapt to the changes and get flexible, I do not have anything about the advantages big alliances have in the game, they just need to focus on some other stuff as well This game isn't about "playstyles", it's a sandbox, doubly so outside of highsec. Exceptions are highly antithetical to the sandbox design. when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox" there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother? we are not living in caves out here anymore you know If you are going to try to boil this down to what they would and wouldn't allow, then you have to think how would they restrict this? The answer = CONCORD. So in high sec, you should get concorded for targeting a fleet member and everywhere else is fair game right?
EDIT: oh and just to add. you DO get concorded for shooting a teammate in high sec. So no, they dont allow shooting of teammates.
The point is, the game is for players who want to play together. you just want a single player game. So go play something else. You coming on here repeating idiotic idea after idiotic idea will not change EVE. At the very least, learn to play EVE before complaining about it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
418
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Posted - 2013.08.10 13:45:00 -
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Our favorite whiner is in EC-P8R if anyone wants to go take a pot shot.
I can't promise that no one will shoot at your from the CFC though  |

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 14:00:00 -
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OP is the sort who rages for free speech then gets pissed when someone says something he doesn't like  |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
364
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Posted - 2013.08.10 14:01:00 -
[175] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle
fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that
you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"
there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way
do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?
we are not living in caves out here anymore you know
Do developed fleets in humanity (Aka groups of friends) have a mechanic to stop people in the "fleet" punching each other?
If you dont want to get shot in a fleet, go to highsec :)
You are the king of highsec after all, and, as stated before, enjoy taking advantage of the options available in null, such as "I shoot anyone I like with no consequence", and yet, you do not like when others enjoy the same options. |

Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
522
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:02:00 -
[176] - Quote
This guy is legendary. We need a Jita statue in his name... one that we can shoot at 23/7. Yarr |

Dave Stark
3327
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:08:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:This guy is legendary. We need a Jita statue in his name... one that we can shoot at 23/7.
can't ccp just eject him from 4-4 and give him a suspect flag? surely that's easier than making a new statue. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3408
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:13:00 -
[178] - Quote
Highsec mentality; They think there should be built in mechanics to prevent any unwanted action.
Nerf Highsec. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
263
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:28:00 -
[179] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Based on analysis i can finally conclude that we all have been trolled by Hairy Forever.
This.^
You're right - he's a brilliant troll. :: hats off ::
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
367
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:30:00 -
[180] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Lugia3 wrote:This guy is legendary. We need a Jita statue in his name... one that we can shoot at 23/7. can't ccp just eject him from 4-4 and give him a suspect flag? surely that's easier than making a new statue.
I support and/or endorse this proposal.
Dave for CSM! :p |
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Dave Stark
3330
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:33:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Dave for CSM! :p
no.
**** no.
i don't want that, ccp wouldn't want that and, the players wouldn't want that. no. just, no.
god damn rhiv, no. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3565
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Rhivre wrote:Dave for CSM! :p no. **** no. i don't want that, ccp wouldn't want that and, the players wouldn't want that. no. just, no. god damn rhiv, no. You'd have my vote. :) |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8568
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:17:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle
fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that
Yes, and there are plenty of legitimate reasons to lock another person in your "team" even if you're not in a logistics ship: webbing a freighter to assist it into warp, warp disrupting a friendly if they get disconnected to prevent them from being killed in their e-warp spot, capacitor chains, remote sensor boosters, tracking links, remote ECCM, and so on. I'm sorry that none of these things are part of your "playstyle". Again, this game is not about "playstyles" because it's a sandbox.
Also, your idea is entirely defeated if the aggressor simply leaves the fleet and starts shooting you. So it's useless to begin with.
Harry Forever wrote:you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"
there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way
do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?
we are not living in caves out here anymore you know
1) Being unable to use a mining laser against a ship isn't a restriction in the same way that being unable to use a hammer as a garden hose isn't a restriction
2) No, there shouldn't be arbitrary restrictions on how you use a tool.
3) Lore-based arguments in discussions about mechanics are utterly invalid Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:30:00 -
[184] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship? |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3410
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:36:00 -
[185] - Quote
SpoonRECKLESS wrote:Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship?
It was probably this. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
103
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:27:00 -
[186] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:when you talk about this game it feels more like a cage vs. a sandbox... you are just resistant to changes that make sense because it does not favour your playstyle
fleeting up is a team option, therefore should be restricted to that
you can not shoot ships with mining lazers, although its a "sandbox"
there are tools that should be restricted to be used the right way
do you think a developed species like in eve would not restrict fleetmembers from shooting eachother?
we are not living in caves out here anymore you know Because we all know restriction equals sandbox. I disagree |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3571
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:28:00 -
[187] - Quote
Guys, he's trolling you so hard you lost any sense. |

SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
103
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:32:00 -
[188] - Quote
Funny thing is he is not actually trolling I had the pleasure of spending time in VFK with one of Harry's first trips, and the even bigger pleasure of taking a manticore off his hands to sit beautifully in my hanger shining and loved, it's truly happy now. I disagree |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3291
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:26:00 -
[189] - Quote
10 pages.
If one has an idea people don't like, but that gets 10 pages of response, the accusation of "trolling' may fly, but at this point nobody is coming out smelling like a rose.
See what democracy has wrought? When somebody has an idea they don't agree with, they feel like they have to attack. Why? Because everybody around you with an idea you don't like might vote to impose is on you.
Once, when a dev started a thread about feature changes (I forget the actual topic), I got a post in on the first page, and someone sent me a message offering to pay me ISK to edit my post to something they wanted to put in.
This is a kind of lobbying. Paying money, even in game money, for influence, as they thought they could influence the development of some game features by paying people to put in what they wanted on page 1 of the thread. Look at your google results when you search about the internet and note there are paid-for results on the first page.
So, someone posts and idea you don't like, and.... what happens? 10 pages.
This thread changes NOTHING. I could imagine it would matter if there was a developer or two in here asking for opinions, like that other thread. But were I tasked by CCP to look at threads from here to F&I, even I would have to admit that the tools for most of what gets asked for are already in place.
What we are forgetting is that this MMO is not a democracy. Thank God. We vote with our turrets here, most of the time, and in RL, the worst laws don't pass when they know people will turn to the ammo box having been violated by the ballot box and the ignorance of their countrymen.
But once more, because most of us live in the RL in countries where someone else's ideas can be imposed on you if you are not screaming against them every day, where silence is taken for complicity, the pattern repeats itself in these forums. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
638
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:03:00 -
[190] - Quote
SpoonRECKLESS wrote:Harry Forever wrote:lockon to fleet members should be removable by the fleetcommander
after leaving fleet there should be a 1-5 minute timer, where you are not able to lockon to old fleetmembers either
at the moment there are too many douchebags who do not get kills and just try to fleetup with others and then start shooting them...
this would assure more random people team up, good for the game, bad for douchebags... win win
Who trick you into a fleet in low sec? Then warp to you,and then processed to blow up your ship?
whats the trick, standing next to you and then suddenly just hitting you in the face?
if you think you tricked anybody by doing so, then you are just not right in your head... https:// |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
428
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:59:00 -
[191] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wall of text While the development of the game is not a democracy the developers look at the threads as much as they can to gauge what people want from the game. The reason threads like this get to 10 pages though is because it's so far detached from the principles of EVE that it borders on the ridiculous. EVE is one of the few MMOs that is more created by the in game actions of the people than the mechanics that the developers put into it. That's what makes EVE special. Changes like this would detract from that and would only help people that are too lazy to play with the meta the way that the majority do. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Wodensun
Ragnars Reapers
112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:44:00 -
[192] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.
Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.
Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?
You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game. people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen those kids here need to grow up
Your a ******* moron, your government scams you, your employer scams you, hell even your friends would probably scam you. Stop being a naive lil ***** and smell the damn coffee.
ps, since hes a moron 100mil to the one whom brings me his frozen corpse. Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident... |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:01:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:05:00 -
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A personal attack post has been removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
638
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:58:00 -
[195] - Quote
Wodensun wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:I know what you were fighting for before. Now you are fighting for changes in the game that allows you to achieve that in the easiest way possible.
Society has rules indeed. Guess what: lots of people don't follow them, and a good part of the rest wouldn't if there weren't rules. People don't do that in real life, you can't expect them to do in a game.
Why are you blaming Bloodknight2 for playing as he does? Didn't you learn what happens when you fleet up with anyone who asks?
You don't want to take down VFK and take carebears to null, you want to change the way people play a game by force, even if it means changing the rules of the game. people can paly it like they want, however they won't be winning, same thing in society people think they are smart scamming... they all endup in jail... they can go on like that, and they can keep begging to let them do it without punishment... it just won't happen those kids here need to grow up Your a ******* moron, your government scams you, your employer scams you, hell even your friends would probably scam you. Stop being a naive lil ***** and smell the damn coffee. ps, since hes a moron 100mil to the one whom brings me his frozen corpse.
the goverment scams you? :'D oh god please, 1 ISK for his corpse! he sure is worth it!
if your goverment sucks then because of people like you, because you can not bring up anotherone https:// |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2976
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:34:00 -
[196] - Quote
I'm honestly surprised no one has bountied the OP yet. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
428
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:03:00 -
[197] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:I'm honestly surprised no one has bountied the OP yet. They probably have. He dies so much that bounties don't last long. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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