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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.04 05:54:00 -
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I'm going to be as polite about this.
I won't rehash everything that's been said by so many players about certain missions since RMR release.
I just want to say that you should return all lost ships since RMR was released, and maybe that will teach your developers to be more careful and properly test the missions before releasing them.
Players, please refrain from flaming me about how you are uber and I am not and its my fault for this or that or not equiping correctly or that I shouldnt have been where I was when I was, it serves no purpose and is just your opinion.
CCP, please return my Megathron I lost due to RMR. I have made the petition as requested... now its your turn to stop making excuses and return all our ships. No I am not satisfied.
If you agree with me, have lost a ship due to mission changes in RMR, then please just add your name to the thread and let CCP know how many of us are not happy about this and want our ships returned.
For many of us... its all we have in game wealth from many months even years of playing the game. We paid you plenty of "real" money to play the game and earn these ships and equipment, all I am asking is you return something that doesn't take a "real" penny out of your pockets. I'm not asking for my subscription cost's back... but I will hold out on future ones if need be.
As I said in my emails... one account (My builder/miner alt) is canceled and inactive, the second (My combat alt) runs out in Febuary. Yes I am holding out my future subscription of both accounts in hopes that your personal desire for my measly $30 per month is more important then a simple ship. You can call it blackmail if you want... but I've exhausted all other options, now I make my request public for all to see.
Oh and don't worry, I wont be asking for another one returned if I should lose it a second time... the first time was your fault, losing one a second time on same mission would be mine.
Thank you for reading. Have a nice day. :)
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:07:00 -
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franny
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:08:00 -
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if you do quit(which I doubt)
Can I have Your Stuff?
people have been claiming they would quit mmo games because of a patch for as long as I can remember, it hasn't proved to work well... or be true in most cases
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SUPER J0SH
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:13:00 -
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Is there another thread to sign to tell CCP not to give in to whiners?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:23:00 -
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I think it's fantastic when things change and people who expect what they do not to be changed complain about it.
You did a new mission you knew nothing about without tweaking your setup and expecting the worst. Your mistake, your fault. you can't pass the blame to CCP. When I did the new missions, I did it with an completely overkill tank and even fitted frigate weapons in place of my dual 150mms just in case I got warp scramble frigs. Other people I know fitted a few WCS and managed to get out alive of a tough spot, then devised a way to surmount the issue. You're the first person I've seen to do nothing to check the mission out beforehand, not change your setup to expect something tough (even though it may take longer to kill) and then have the audacity to outright demand that CCP reimburse you when you get blown up.
You took absolutely no precautions going into an unknown situation. You gambled your ship would be OK and you lost. Should I petition and demand back all my ships lost in 0.0 because I thought I'd be OK with cargo expanders instead of wcs or because I didn't bother hiring a scout or fitting a cloak?
Your petition will be unsucessful unless they REALLY messed that mission up and change it with the next patch. And by really messing it up I mean putting in twice as many enemies as they meant to - that might be the difference between difficult and almost impossible. If that's the case, it's their fault. However, since you note that since you know how to do it now that you won't die a second time.. that entire case is null and void. If it's completable with a given setup on a given ship that should be accessable to someone doing that difficulty of missions, it's a balanced mission.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: mrg29 on 04/01/2006 06:28:47
ccp did declare an amnesty on ship losses in the aftermath of the exodus patch and replaced all ships lost in the first few days. that patch caused alot more problems than this one has though and was also when lvl4 missions first came into the game.
all the dev blogs in the lead up to this patch carried warnings about npc changes and advised people to take care. cant remember oveur's exact words but it was along the lines of don't just expect things to be exactly as they were before so first time u do a mission or warp into a belt then be more careful than usual.
and sorry but your comment of "teach the devs a lesson". do u think if they did replace all lost ships that it comes out of their wages or something?
losing ships is an inevitable part of changes to game mechanics and to use one of the most quoted cliches on these forums, never fly something u cant afford to lose. and that is never more true than in the aftermath of a patch.
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.01.04 06:34:00 -
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I am the progenitor of the "Tech secrets not to be underestimated" thread.
I lost my raven. I got over it. I complained about the difficulty. That was within reason.
I asked for my ship back. They said no, I said, ok.
Life goes on. That was weeks ago, and now I have another billion isk.
Moral of the story? adapt or die.
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Shadora
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:08:00 -
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I would like my two ships returned due to unplayable lag since RMR though.
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EvilSoldier
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:22:00 -
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Heh, could care less about the raven I lost do to new rmr mission... Thats what insurance is for. What about the mods?! someone please! think of the mods!
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:30:00 -
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The loss due to lag is imho a valid reason in those missions.
difficulty?
more challenging?
isk harder to be earned?
While trying to be nice, I just tell you, that your approach and your reasoning is inacceptable. What you mentioned is ingame. In fact those missions are even not too difficult, but they kill you, if you dont read them carefully and obey.
I do not like your attitude, nor can I accept your "threatening". I strongly believe, that ccp should take action against people, who miss "sane arguing" the way you did.
Get over it, cancel all accounts or cope with it. In fact I do care if you leave: because there is no space for your attitude in current EvE community.
Can I have your stuff?
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BOldMan
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:47:00 -
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I didnt lose any ship on new RMR missions, but I agree he has a valid complain.
 Originally by: Treacle Shazboat
Trying to buy from the market. The buy window is blank. Try to send a petition dropped me to the desktop.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:55:00 -
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Yeah, CCP give the whiner a new shuttle and make him -10 against all factions NOW!!
Why are you not asking for all the ISK back you los due to being unable to run your misions as normal? And what about a few million ISK extra for the fact that you discovered the errors in these misions? Oh, and of course a T2 BPO of all the new ships just because their at it?
Man get a life you are just not able to do the misions as easy as you used to thats all. Ships are lost thats the main goal in the game, loose ships and get better once. I am not going to say how I have not lost a ship since RMR as I lost 3 just before the patch came out. (not in missions though) I am doing misions after RMR and I expect to loose a BS or two in the near future. But then again as said that is part of the game no reason to make a fool of your self by crying over lost ships.
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Kheo Sen
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Posted - 2006.01.04 09:58:00 -
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@Sabe - u pay the monthly fee to have fun and play this game, don't make it sound like u are doing a charity out of your pockets to feed the poor hungry ppl working at CCP.
READ THE DEVS BLOGS and u will find out that the missions and NPC's changed in RMR, or read the forums if ure are lazy or if you are ignorant - stay docked.
Cancel ure subscription, PLEASE.
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:08:00 -
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so the game changed? buhu.
do you know, when I got my first BS I promised to myself I would never do anything silly in it or take any risks because I didnt want to lose it.
3 days later I was in a pod and feeling pretty upset cos I'd lost it due to a dumb mistake I made.
And then I remembered...... ITS A GAME.
And then Exodus came out - I lost count of how many BS I had got through by that stage. Day after exodus I duly went out ratting and lost my BS cos I hadnt realised just how much harder the rats had become.
Did I get upset? nope. Why? Because by that stage, I had realised that ship loss means nothing in this game. And not only that, I HAD PLANNED FOR SHIP LOSS. I had all the kit necessary to build and fit another BS in the event of losing the one I was flying.
So why should CCP reimburse you for your lack of planning? And the other people who have lost ships since the patch?
If you are flying ships on missions or PvP and you have nothing to back you up, you are just plain dumb.
and to those who are going to trot out the 'I put everything I had into getting one BS' argument, dont bother. If you can get the resources together for one, you can do it for two.
This game does not stay the same forever. Adapt and change with it or cancel your subscription because you are wasting server runtime.
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Helen Tiger
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: High Sierra
...and to those who are going to trot out the 'I put everything I had into getting one BS' argument, dont bother. If you can get the resources together for one, you can do it for two.
How nice, you have no life and can afford to spend days strip mining in order to make a couple BS.
Some people don't have that luxury. Like the people who work and come to Eve at the end of a day for a couple hours of fun.
Maybe you should let less fortunate people benefit from your so-called "planning" by giving them the charity of a Raven or three ?
If Eve was only catering to the need of little kids with no social life, I'd be 100% in agreement with you : plan so that losing one BS or two doesn't mean much. But that ain't so.
Helen
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:25:00 -
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I drive a lorry for a living where 12 hours days are the norm.
I'm not going to get into a flamefest with you helen, but did I say I had done it in 5 minutes?
It takes time. But with good planning ship loss being a set back is a thing of the past with me.
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Kheo Sen
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: High Sierra
I drive a lorry for a living where 12 hours days are the norm.
I'm not going to get into a flamefest with you helen, but did I say I had done it in 5 minutes?
It takes time. But with good planning ship loss being a set back is a thing of the past with me.
Helen here is just jelous on the players who do not have kids to whipe after and he makes what every 40 years old kid - blames that ppl do not have social life...
BTW Helen caan u tell me what is ure social life?
And i qoute you : u work, u have kids ( i bet they are so taken care off with her mother - if u are a woman and not another guy with a female character- playing EVE and complaining that ppl do not have a social life and she has so many things to do.
If u realise that ure life was not what it should be til this age - accept it and take care of ure kids which are far more important then any game, even more then u.
Cheers
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Felzius
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
Edited by: mrg29 on 04/01/2006 06:28:47
all the dev blogs in the lead up to this patch carried warnings about npc changes and advised people to take care. cant remember oveur's exact words but it was along the lines of don't just expect things to be exactly as they were before so first time u do a mission or warp into a belt then be more careful than usual.
and sorry but your comment of "teach the devs a lesson". do u think if they did replace all lost ships that it comes out of their wages or something?
I'm not sure if anyone told me that entire complexes would aggro you though.
Nor did anyone tell me shooting a container would end up in sec penalty of 2% and concord :)
(enyo, x5 web, 3x 150mm compressed rails, tech II repper and cheap modules, ty very much :)
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Helen Tiger
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Helen Tiger on 04/01/2006 15:10:50
Originally by: Kheo Sen
BTW Helen caan u tell me what is ure social life?
And i qoute you : u work, u have kids.
I dare you to find any post where I wrote I have children. Quit making stuff up.
As for my social life I guess it's pretty normal and lame : I have a bunch of friends of both genders, sometimes we do a LAN party, go to the movies or have food together, and I do sports (airsoft, kinda like paintball).
I only play Eve on week-ends, and then again not every week-end.
What about you ?
Helen
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:22:00 -
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in before the lock!!
Lieutenant, Deputy Chief of Security
Channel: CAINCOM
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:29:00 -
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Kheo Sen
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Tiger
I dare you to find any post where I wrote I have children. Quit making stuff up.
Helen
I was predicting ure future 
Anyways sorry, my bad
But ure post was asking for a spanking
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:04:00 -
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if you lost it simply due to lag, it should get replaced
however, it sounds like you lost it solely due to stupity, so it shouldn't
ok, so here's HippoKing's handy kab00m avoidance rules:
#use the ship scanner to look for dangers/scramblers
#use a shuttle to enter each level of an unknown deadspace before warping in if you're scared.
#don't do missions for 1-2 weeks after the patch, and in that time watch this forum for the "OMGWTFIMPOSSIBLEilostmyBSHelp!" threads, and make your judgement on whethere these missions are worth attempting.
#use overkill on the first couple of misisons, be that using a larger ship, or more people than necessary
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
#don't do missions for 1-2 weeks after the patch, and in that time watch this forum for the "OMGWTFIMPOSSIBLEilostmyBSHelp!" threads, and make your judgement on whethere these missions are worth attempting.
"whiners are your friends..."
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:36:00 -
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CCP said they were changing npc ships, etc in RMR.
I don't recall seeing any notes about changing the basic nature of deadspace missions ( warp directly in, splitting groupmates, etc ) or any plans to introduce unexplainable ( i.e. hopefully bugged ) NPC agro, etc.
Not to mention the cute lag tricks that were going on.
Now, obviously some people have been around the block and knew to skip new missions, send in the shuttle first ( why this isn't considered an exploit is beyond me ), or adjust there ships ( anti frig guns, Warpstabs, ubahtank ), etc.
Some people like the OP didn't and he feels like he got ambushed and CCP was acting in bad faith. Obviously someone at CCP at least partially agreed with him as they posted that the cust serv slaves were told to be more lenient for rmr related claims.
As far as the asstards who shouldn't have even read this thread ( you were asked nicely by the op not to ya know ), let alone flame on it. If your wallet is even a fraction of the imagined size of your epeins you should easily be able to help the poor newb out and toss him a few mil isk to help him cover the uninsured portion fo his ship.
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subvert
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: subvert on 04/01/2006 16:54:21
You didn't give a single good reason why your ship should be returned to you.
edit; other people did. my bad
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
CCP said they were changing npc ships, etc in RMR.
I don't recall seeing any notes about changing the basic nature of deadspace missions ( warp directly in, splitting groupmates, etc ) or any plans to introduce unexplainable ( i.e. hopefully bugged ) NPC agro, etc.
Not to mention the cute lag tricks that were going on.
Now, obviously some people have been around the block and knew to skip new missions, send in the shuttle first ( why this isn't considered an exploit is beyond me ), or adjust there ships ( anti frig guns, Warpstabs, ubahtank ), etc.
Some people like the OP didn't and he feels like he got ambushed and CCP was acting in bad faith. Obviously someone at CCP at least partially agreed with him as they posted that the cust serv slaves were told to be more lenient for rmr related claims.
As far as the asstards who shouldn't have even read this thread ( you were asked nicely by the op not to ya know ), let alone flame on it. If your wallet is even a fraction of the imagined size of your epeins you should easily be able to help the poor newb out and toss him a few mil isk to help him cover the uninsured portion fo his ship.
I apologise.
I forgot we aren't allowed to express opinions on the grounds that said opinions might cause offence.
as for the size of my wallet, I've never had over 150mil in my wallet at any one time. In fact, getting over 50mil I consider to be an achievement.
This is because I plan and make sure I have the assets in reserve in case things go wrong.
So, your comments in the last paragraph of your post really arent relevant. Or constructive.
The OP has learned a valuable lesson about this game. Regrettably he has chosen the easy way out rather than persevere. His choice.
My choice is to tell him what he should be doing.
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Tiffany Trinkets
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:21:00 -
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if youre going to keep it sooo hard that they cant be done by a bs solo then hows bout letting us do level 3's in a dread and 4's in a titan. (in empire)
im prob a minority but i dont want anything to do with grouping or corps. im a solo player. i play for the isk nothing else
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Marcsens Lil'Helper
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Marcsens Lil''Helper on 04/01/2006 17:26:53
Can't handle Eve's death penalty? Goto http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ and have fun. Bye.
Oh and on a sidenote: your pretty nuts for asking others not to post their opinion but doing it yourself.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2006.01.04 19:13:00 -
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I used to play another mmog that was extremely popular and looked like it was going to keep going for years to come.
The community at the time had a simular attitude of "if you don't like it don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"
It was at the time very popular. Then people started doing just that nobody cared for a bit as there were still so many playing that it seemed they wouldn't be missed.
Then again after a bit more time passed they were missed. It seemed they did make a difference in the game their revenue was missed by the developers.
The game became less fun with less and less people making even more people leave the game soon the developers came upon financial hardships simply because they had purchased equipment and connections that would supply the masses that no longer existed.
The game is all but dead now with only a few of the hardcore fanboyz left holding their banners high some still chanting "don't like it? Leave it" course the doors are near shut for them as well.
Personally I don't necessarly agree with the op and the point of my reply was not to agree with him or dissagree with him. But mearly to say that each and every player in the game IS important to the future of the game. Each player is a customer and it is the duty of the supplyer to meet and exceed the expetations of all customers.
Infact anyone that has takin any business courses has heard this statement a thousand times.
Customer satisfaction defination is to meet or exceed the expectations of the customer
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