Yeah if we weren't anonymous, sociopathic carebears might think twice about
insulting people or throwing death threats around.

That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.

maybe you shouldn't play a game if losing causes you real life suffering

That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.

Maybe you shouldn't play a game if you're afraid of sociopathic carebears.

Have real consequences for criminal acts which force the criminals to face real retaliation.

Please make it possible. Not just a little sec status loss and LOL's for the gankers. The current mechanics allow a run and hide scenario which is detrimental to the game.

It's a serious mechanics issue. And user accounts are being closed because of it- especially newer players.

How would game mechanics be able to enforce this? Nerf friend making? If this is the best idea you can come up with then I really don't want to see your other ideas.

How does that work?

What if suicide gankers had a tracker placed on them (some concord magic) along with the kill rights (maybe account wide). That way instead of the consequences being faction police or the security status hit, players can get their revenge by fighting back.

Make it so it only works in high-sec because of concord magic.

The problem from the OP is that Miners cant fight back one of the reasons being that people leave corp after a war dec . While this doesnt solve a couple of the other issues it still will at least solve one.

Stuff...

Yup, I'm posting anonymously. Make of that what you will.

I own multiple characters, and I'm a fairly rich industrialist in the game. I've headed an alliance, held sov, know how to fight, and date back to 2004.

The problem from the OP is that Miners cant fight back one of the reasons being that people leave corp after a war dec . While this doesnt solve a couple of the other issues it still will at least solve one.

Read the first post and you will realise you are a dumbass.

Read the first post and you will realise you are a dumbass.

Its a highsec war. In a Highsec war you can call in other corps to be including and allow combat between those extra corps. With my idea that would not be allowed so the gankers cant just call in an overwhelming force.

If that is the best you can comprehend something i really dont want to know how you function.

One of the problems these players have is that GÇö for any number of reasons GÇö they incorrectly think that they have no way of returning the favour. They overlook how the new killright system and the security status system both allow them to kill their attackers freely. They refer to NPC corps and alt corps as making revenge pointless, when every killboard out there seems to suggest that these are not recycled alts, and they most certainly aren't in NPC corps. Hell, the biggest ganking groups openly advertise them as such and should be on every miner's red list, and not even that simple tool is being used. In short, these self-imposed victims come up with all kinds of excuses for why they should not have to take responsibility for their own safety.

Problem is:

- You cannot be "industrialist only" and fight back.

- Security status IS a joke

- The main reason for the post is not to ask for safer conditions to industrialists, but to ask for equally unsafe and responsible conditions for gankers and general fighting pilots.

- EVE market is not player driven.

- EVE market is not player driven.

I don't want to return the favor to the agressing char that exists for the sole purpose of pvp. How is hunting a char that exists for the purpose of pvp even remotely comparable to "returning the favor" on an even scale?

I want to strike the source of his income, destroy his supplies, blap his missioning/mining ship or send a merc corp after his alts research POS. I don't want to give him a hunt on an alt he enjoys to pvp with, I want to ruin his day when he really does not want me to... The killright and security status system do jack squat to allow this for me.

however I do believe it is a serious problem especially for new players.

He blew you up. You blew him up. That's about as even as it gets.

No, but wardecs do, so the tools are once again already at your disposal. There's a distinction between just getting even and going all blood-feud:y vendetta on someone.

The problem for new players is more one of being suckered into horrible newbie collection corps with incompetent leadership who teach them all the wrong thingsGǪ

And that's exactly the problem. He gets to choose where he attacks me AND where I can hurt him.

Again, a wardec is pointless if I can't wardec his "infrastructure", industrialists, haulers, whatever.

And what's wrong with a bit of bloodfeud? Sounds very sandboxy to me

In most online games I've played "crappy newbie corps" help with new player retention, if not by teaching players something valueable at least by providing a nice place to hang out. In EvE they paint a bullseye on the new player and, if anything, hurt player retention.

That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.