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Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1419	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:23:00 - [91] - Quote you've gotta give it to goons, they know how to press some juice out of hisec.... "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Thunder Kiss65 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:36:00 - [92] - Quote wanna keep goons around...go ahead and rent..Wanna get scamed, again rent from goons.....If your a moron rent from goons..Wanna see them dry up like a pile of dog crap that they r Stay away from this
arabella blood I Swear She Looked 18 128	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:36:00 - [93] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: you've gotta give it to goons, they know how to press some Jews out of hisec.... I fixed it for you Troll for hire. Cheap prices.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 314	Posted - 2013.09.09 18:52:00 - [94] - Quote Chribba wrote: Confirming that I've been in talks regarding assisting in securing rental ventures like this. /c Please note that Mr Omni represents the interest in Goonwaffe in this matter, and this is fully TOS compliant. - Kismeteer, Goonwaffe director.
Tacha Valeria Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere Exec Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 0	Posted - 2013.09.09 18:54:00 - [95] - Quote Chribba wrote: [quote=Mr Omniblivion]Confirming that I've been in talks regarding assisting in securing rental ventures like this. /c Please note that Mr Omniblivion has been orchestrating sales for our rental properties. -Tacha Valeria, Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere director

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 427	Posted - 2013.09.09 21:25:00 - [96] - Quote I have removed a discriminating post and edited out a personal attack. Please keep it civil and on topic people! 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited. Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. And I also fixed a quote. As in: made the quoted text look like, well, a quote. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8684	Posted - 2013.09.10 00:23:00 - [97] - Quote Enduros wrote: Even if this isn't a scam you guys need to rework your terms, or the price. Compared to all your competitors this is crazy. Renting is usually equated with slavery all over this forum, but in this case considering your terms it actually is slavery. Who the hell are these people that are taking this deal? How so? These terms aren't unusual in nullsec renting. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Enduros Ostian Industries Hand of Despair 29	Posted - 2013.09.10 03:15:00 - [98] - Quote Andski wrote: Enduros wrote: Even if this isn't a scam you guys need to rework your terms, or the price. Compared to all your competitors this is crazy. Renting is usually equated with slavery all over this forum, but in this case considering your terms it actually is slavery. Who the hell are these people that are taking this deal? How so? These terms aren't unusual in nullsec renting. These are just my 2 isk, but here goes: The travel and roaming restrictions are too strict and I'm talking about just flying, not ratting in someone else's system, nobody wants that. And shot on sight unless screenshots are provided? It kind of reads like fine print where you willingly submit to ganking. The quality of the system is reflected more by what security class it falls into, then the truesec difference inside said class. You are currently pricing many of the systems above their actual worth. Also your pricing only factors in the advantages of the system. You should also consider all the disadvantages. Such as being in the middle of a pipe or a terrible layout of the celestials etc. Location of the region also can't possibly justify the prices either. You in hot-drop range of both PL and BL and half of forge (milage may vary). Everyone else that rents has at least some buffer. It just looks way too convenient to hot-drop into Vale. And no cyno jammers in this place? The vicinity of hi-sec makes this especially annoying because every elite pvp'er is gonna try and drop on top of people that probably don't quite comprehend the risks. Ice access? The agreement doesn't mention it so I guess it's you either have it or you don't? Other landlords allow ice mining all over and charge a convenience fee if you have it in your system. Maybe it's just not listed, but for tower owners this is a concern. I'm just saying the whole thing is too restrictive and for many systems the price is 2x of what would be reasonable. But you seem to have people signing up... fascinating.
AstarothPrime Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate 25	Posted - 2013.09.10 09:05:00 - [99] - Quote Tubrug1 wrote: So much grrrgoon here. If this were a scam, they wouldn't have made a renting alliance, transferred 63 systems to it and rented out 10 of those systems. Yours sincerely, Non-CFC member Yes. Not for profit. But for tha - "lolz therez idiotz who still trustz us" I. P.S. I forsee a big big bloodbath after 2-3 mths when chriba releases all rent ISK and bears drag in expencive boats for the pewpew
Leana McFarlane Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:40:00 - [100] - Quote I know you know......Goons will backstab you sooner or later. Let's face it .... Goons are kiddy douchebags.

Leana McFarlane Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:42:00 - [101] - Quote I know you know......Goons will backstab you sooner or later. Let's face it .... Goons are kiddy douchebags.
Leana McFarlane Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:43:00 - [102] - Quote Echo....echo....echo
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.09.10 14:23:00 - [103] - Quote Not official in any sense of the word, ignore the fact that I'm a member of the CFC, but I would think the following: Enduros wrote: The travel and roaming restrictions are too strict and I'm talking about just flying, not ratting in someone else's system, nobody wants that. And shot on sight unless screenshots are provided? It kind of reads like fine print where you willingly submit to ganking. Travelling through pipe systems is allowed, and all that should be needed for travel. Outside of that, why would you be there? Most alliances would question you being there, Goons just have to be clear about it, since the % of people that hate goons is considerably higher (for some reason). Enduros wrote: The quality of the system is reflected more by what security class it falls into, then the truesec difference inside said class. You are currently pricing many of the systems above their actual worth. Also your pricing only factors in the advantages of the system. You should also consider all the disadvantages. Such as being in the middle of a pipe or a terrible layout of the celestials etc. What matters to one group doesn't to another. The raw numbers are truesec, and whether or not it's a deadend. Pipe locality, celestial arrangement, this is all stuff you would have to decide on what you want before renting any given system, but not something that can be readily judged in advance. Do other alliances charge less for "bad celestial arrangements"? Enduros wrote: Location of the region also can't possibly justify the prices either. You in hot-drop range of both PL and BL and half of forge (milage may vary). Everyone else that rents has at least some buffer. It just looks way too convenient to hot-drop into Vale. And no cyno jammers in this place? The vicinity of hi-sec makes this especially annoying because every elite pvp'er is gonna try and drop on top of people that probably don't quite comprehend the risks. Practically anywhere can be hotdropped. A buffer of goons won;t stop that. Besides, chances are if it's hotdrop o'clock, you won't be the target. Enduros wrote: Ice access? The agreement doesn't mention it so I guess it's you either have it or you don't? Other landlords allow ice mining all over and charge a convenience fee if you have it in your system. Maybe it's just not listed, but for tower owners this is a concern. The original post states you get anom exclusivity, and pay extra for an ice belt. This would lead me to believe that if you don't have an ice belt you are ** out of luck. You could probably do a deal with a neighbor to pay them for access however, that would be up to you discuss between yourselves though. Think about how the new ice belts work however. They are no longer virtually infinite, and can be mined out in a pretty short time. It's unlikely the whole sharing ice thing will work out in the long run. Enduros wrote:** I'm just saying the whole thing is too restrictive and for many systems the price is 2x of what would be reasonable. But you seem to have people signing up... fascinating. As far as I can see, prices are about on par. The only restrictions are 1. You don't get what you don't pay for and 2. Don't mess around outside your space. Seems pretty fair to me. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 24	Posted - 2013.09.10 16:54:00 - [104] - Quote To put some points into perspective: - There are currently 26 renting corporations with over 600 renters in PBLRD space. - There has not yet been one report of blue on blue incidents with any of our renters. I also checked eve-kill and didn't find any kills on PBLRD by CFC. - A few of the renting corporations are actually owned by CFC members (and they don't get a discount on rent). Why? Exclusivity. - A "small" 0.0 ice belt (in sub -.5 space) is worth approximately 1.45 billion isk before transport costs. A large (>-.5) is worth just over 2 billion isk. I personally cycle small ice belts in just over 2 hours. We would be crazy to charge anything less than 1 bil for exclusive ice access; in fact, we should probably charge more. - Having access to Sov space saves over 100 million ISK in fuel per month per large tower. If you run any POS, why not put them up in "cheap" 0.0 space where you can reap the full benefits of fuel savings that can pay for the system and more? - We encourage renters to build local markets and collaborate together- it's not a "hostile blue" environment where renters and the CFC are just looking to kill each other. There are plenty of things to shoot rather than each other. - There are designated pipe systems through both PBLRD and CFC space that renters are free to travel through. It's most definitely not "Shoot on Sight" unless the offender is in an AWOXing ship warping to other players. If they're in a Tengu and doing escalations in CFC space? No one would bother them. If they're seen flying a dictor/hictor/recon in CFC space? They will be watched. If they warp to someone at an anomaly in said ship? They're going to get killed. We are taking all possible steps to ensure that our renters stay happy in their systems, because it is to the benefit of the CFC and to the renters to keep the systems happily rented. We have even gone as far as to offer Chribba's services in association with this offering- holding the rent up for weeks at a time- just to show that this is a serious and meaningful program to the CFC.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 328	Posted - 2013.09.10 19:19:00 - [105] - Quote Leana McFarlane wrote: I know you know......Goons will backstab you sooner or later. Let's face it .... Goons are kiddy douchebags. ...unless you pay us, then we take your isk, and you have your good times in null sec. I particularly like the triple post you did as well, even if it will just get removed by ISD at some point.
Fedaykin055 Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 9	Posted - 2013.09.10 20:26:00 - [106] - Quote Bill Trent wrote: Zane Lowe wrote: Just a FYI, both PL and N3 allow you to build with CSAAs, and renting a system gives you full rights to the moons (except R64s). N3 does not give you full rights to the moons. If they're towered (as any valuable one will be), you're SOL. You're also forced to sell whatever your CSAA produces to them. We do indeed allow the renters to build with CSAA's, the only rule regarding that is that we should be informed of the build and that the product will be offered to us first at market price, and if no buyer is found you can sell it on the market.
Fedaykin055 Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 9	Posted - 2013.09.10 20:29:00 - [107] - Quote Bill Trent wrote: Bill Trent wrote: I hope competition between PL and CFC will drive rental prices down even further, BTW. If you rent from either it's probably worth checking which moons you get exactly in your system. I see Goons only allow you to mine R8 and below, I thought PL had a better deal there but I have to re-check. N3 further has some hidden costs - they will run signatures and mine in your space, unless you pay extra. You can do cap building but you have to sell them to N3. They don't even guarantee they will defend their sov (if you've been following politics, no wonder...). I like PLs deal best in terms of rules but it depends on the real costs of course - their pricing isn't public. No, there is exclusivity in any N3 renter system. No one except the renter that has the system is allowed to run anomalies or plexes. Same for minging, the only exception being ICE mining. Any renter can mine ice in N3 renter alliance space without paying anything, unless he wants to place a pos in that system, in which case they need to pay a one time fee of 250m. If a renter wants ice exclusivity in a system he can talk with us and we can arrange that for a fee.
Gilles Navarien Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team 29	Posted - 2013.09.11 04:45:00 - [108] - Quote Renting is big business and keeping the customers happy in business is #1, CFC renters will get a solid service to match the best rental schemes available of this I have no doubts. Plenty of good systems currently still available, join up before only the dregs are left.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 246	Posted - 2013.09.11 05:49:00 - [109] - Quote Enduros wrote: Andski wrote: Enduros wrote: Even if this isn't a scam you guys need to rework your terms, or the price. Compared to all your competitors this is crazy. Renting is usually equated with slavery all over this forum, but in this case considering your terms it actually is slavery. Who the hell are these people that are taking this deal? How so? These terms aren't unusual in nullsec renting. These are just my 2 isk, but here goes: The travel and roaming restrictions are too strict and I'm talking about just flying, not ratting in someone else's system, nobody wants that. And shot on sight unless screenshots are provided? It kind of reads like fine print where you willingly submit to ganking. The quality of the system is reflected more by what security class it falls into, then the truesec difference inside said class. You are currently pricing many of the systems above their actual worth. Also your pricing only factors in the advantages of the system. You should also consider all the disadvantages. Such as being in the middle of a pipe or a terrible layout of the celestials etc. Living here, for corporate various circumstances I can see several systems that are currently free and eminently rentable at current prices. ie I don't think that is a problem right now, unless you are dumb customer who won't look at dotlan and at the sov maps. I would expect the poorer deals to get discounted as and when the good ones are all gone. They certainly aren't all gone yet. Also roaming isn't really currently much of a problem. There are almost no CFC line members to be seen, they don't have a map of what pilot "belongs`" in which system, and the unrented systems are public knowledge (and there will be nobody there to complain about you). The pipe to highsec is at one end of pblrd space, the market hub is at the other, so its essentially expected that you'll be seen pretty much anywhere at any time except a dead end without an escalation or a desire to dock and purchase goods. My local dead end has fuel on the market from their station, and I'm sure they'll be happy to see my iteron arriving and it won't be the source of a blue on blue incident. Right now I'm working my system up to military 1, after which there will be a few anoms that I simply wouldn't care if other people shot from time to time anyway, as they'll be respawned a few minutes after being done, and it will probably all happen when I'm asleep anyway. if it all does fill up, then roaming is less necessary anyway, because more people working gurista space again, will cause the sigs and natural anoms to start cycling around quickluy anyway, so there will be more things spawning in the system you rent.
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2013.09.12 20:38:00 - [110] - Quote 26 renting corporations, with 2 more corps joining this weekend! Now is the time to rent! Take advantage of cheap prices and great space

Prince Sanguine Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two 48	Posted - 2013.09.12 23:22:00 - [111] - Quote Kismeteer wrote: Leana McFarlane wrote: I know you know......Goons will backstab you sooner or later. Let's face it .... Goons are kiddy douchebags. ...unless you pay us, then we take your isk, and you have your good times in null sec. I particularly like the triple post you did as well, even if it will just get removed by ISD at some point. Exactly. Don't people understand its better to make isk long term rather than a short scam? There is just general hate for goons for no real reason. U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?!
Kitzia Exa Tech Zaibatsu Mercantile 0	Posted - 2013.09.13 02:08:00 - [112] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: - Having access to Sov space saves over 100 million ISK in fuel per month per large tower. If you run any POS, why not put them up in "cheap" 0.0 space where you can reap the full benefits of fuel savings that can pay for the system and more? Why would anyone put more than a large tower in a system? this 'savings' are anything but significant.
Enduros Ostian Industries Hand of Despair 30	Posted - 2013.09.13 02:39:00 - [113] - Quote Kitzia wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: - Having access to Sov space saves over 100 million ISK in fuel per month per large tower. If you run any POS, why not put them up in "cheap" 0.0 space where you can reap the full benefits of fuel savings that can pay for the system and more? Why would anyone put more than a large tower in a system? this 'savings' are anything but significant. If you want to run reactions it's very significant.
Chinicata Shihari Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 10	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:09:00 - [114] - Quote Kitzia wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: - Having access to Sov space saves over 100 million ISK in fuel per month per large tower. If you run any POS, why not put them up in "cheap" 0.0 space where you can reap the full benefits of fuel savings that can pay for the system and more? Why would anyone put more than a large tower in a system? this 'savings' are anything but significant. You save 25% on fuel. That means on a large tower you can save almost 100mil per month and if you run a reaction you can cover the cost of the rent in savings
Glauren Hellboy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:41:00 - [115] - Quote Do you foresee new systems (regions) opening up in the near future? Possibly non-caldari space?
raz1980 Duty. The Cursed Few 25	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:56:00 - [116] - Quote Number one rule in eve... never trust a goon
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2013.09.13 15:59:00 - [117] - Quote Glauren Hellboy wrote: Do you foresee new systems (regions) opening up in the near future? Possibly non-caldari space? (8:58:21 AM) mr_omniblivion: 8ball will we open up more regions in the rental program? (8:58:25 AM) Six_TwentyFour: mr_omniblivion: Without a doubt There's your answer!
Mr LaboratoryRat Confederation of DuckTape Lovers 23	Posted - 2013.09.13 17:50:00 - [118] - Quote HI, I have rented a system last 2 months... all went fine untill this month. I made payment and got kicked from space! DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE THAY WILL SCAM YOU!!!
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2013.09.13 18:08:00 - [119] - Quote Mr LaboratoryRat wrote: HI, I have rented a system last 2 months... all went fine untill this month. I made payment and got kicked from space! DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE THAY WILL SCAM YOU!!! I normally don't comment on obvious troll attempts, but... I'm afraid I'm going to have to report your post for impersonating being a renter of [PBLRD] when your alliance history clearly shows that you have never rented from us. Thank you CCP for this new addition to the TOS.
arabella blood I Swear She Looked 18 150	Posted - 2013.09.13 19:31:00 - [120] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: Mr LaboratoryRat wrote: HI, I have rented a system last 2 months... all went fine untill this month. I made payment and got kicked from space! DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE THAY WILL SCAM YOU!!! I normally don't comment on obvious troll attempts, but... I'm afraid I'm going to have to report your post for impersonating being a renter of [PBLRD] when your alliance history clearly shows that you have never rented from us. Thank you CCP for this new addition to the TOS. Please keep us updated :) Troll for hire. Cheap prices.



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