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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:27:00 -
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my eyes hurt, not that i expected anything else..
why cant they use Verdana, Lucida Console or something reading-friendly at least...
"We brake for nobody"
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Yeggstry
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:30:00 -
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...and the Y still looks like a V \o/ Nice one CCP 
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Wega Noir
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:43:00 -
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I have a 23" widescreen lcd and run 1920*1200 resolution and the fonts seem fine to me. Clear and crisp.
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:57:00 -
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I have a top-end 21" running at 1440x1080 and the new font isn't that great, but improved over RMR. Maybe on par with Cold War font, not really sure yet.
Too many UI widgets currently fail to account for font size options. Example: expanding the font width (ESC menu option) shows an obvious truncation at end lines and new line wrapping - right there on the very menu you're changing the option.
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Dezzereth
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:59:00 -
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Not at all?
My guess is they add the font as the last thing to the patch.
"Crap we forgot the font... aww.. hmm ... ah.. lets take this .. has a nice name"
Everything else I don't believe
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:04:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: JP Beauregard
It's like putting icepicks into your eyes
You missed one balance view. :)
And yeah, in largest size, expanded today's font wasn't too bad looking at first glance. I was only on for a few minutes and was so tired one eye was still closed, but we'll see tonite. heh
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:12:00 -
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Oh Gohd...
please listen to what people want in their game.
We need font choices not half-assed fixes.
And I see the chat channel bug hasn't been properley addressed either. Considering that half of this game is played in chat channels, that alone is a serious***** up.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:42:00 -
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Nobody does anything at CCP. They sit around drinking beer and waiting for us to send them money.
Which they then use to buy more beer.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:50:00 -
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SERIOUSLEY WTF DID YOU DO!
CCP please can we just no go back, I am realy really tempeted to set my skill to drone interfacing lvl5, and cancel my account for a month over this the front gets worse with every chage, its ******* awfull!
We need to go back to the pre rmr font, What is your obsession with trying to blind me?
AARRARAGAGAGARRARARAAGGGGHGHGHGHGHGGHGHGHGHGHG (This does not even beging to expresse my anger and fustration"
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War Bear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:42:00 -
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Well I've gone from 2 aspirin from the original RMR patch to 3 with this new one. I can deal with bugs to a point but something that makes the game physically uncomfortable to play is something I won't tolerate. If I play for more than an hour on the last font my eyes started hurting. This new one screwed me up inside of 30 minutes. :(
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:08:00 -
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Quote:
how do the devs test the new fonts?
THEY DONT
aint anybody clicked on yet? Besides all QA consists of is 6 monkeys, maybe evil space monkeys?
Hehehehe, that would be kinda cool, space monkeys :) I'd call mines Admiral Peanuts 
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:32:00 -
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I can see it fine on a 19'' CRT in 1280x960.
Not saying everyone should be able to, just adding my own experiences in.
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"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Klak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:51:00 -
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Looks like the pre-RMR font to me. Wanna know why CCP never "gives you back your old font"? Because people ***** about every font that's ever been in the game. If they put Times New Roman in people would say they were going blind. CCP doesn't care what you think about the font because you knew you were going to hate it before you ever saw it.
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Merritt
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:01:00 -
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I for one have never been c0nfused bv. any of the sim.ilar &lyphs or have eyer had an issue with the decimal places in numbers..
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Marie O'Malley
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Marie O''Malley on 10/01/2006 20:06:59
Also on a 1280x1024 TFT LCD. Fonts are crisp, thats not the problem.
UI font looks slightly scrunched at font size 12 or 14 "normal". They are soooooooo expanded when I put them on "expanded" that I can't read things well. There is no happy in-between. In the UI, "normal" is probably better than "expanded".
In the chat window its really bad. "Normal" looks fine but is way too tiny to use without ruining my eyes (yes, I'm old and in "computer glasses" already - I do have physcal limits to the eyestrain I can handle). But the real problem is this:
Game Font setting: 12 or 14, normal or expanded.
Chat font size: largest
The chat font gets very stretched upwards and squished on "Largest" chat font size setting, almost like its for the wrong ratio. Going back to the middle size in chat actually makes the chat font keep the same spacing but get shorter (it looks nice - if it weren't so itty bitty).
Can't figure out a setting combination where I don't either bork my chat window readability or bork other interface areas.
"Faking" out EVE to make it display in a ratio that "works" for chat large font does bring that back to a reasonable looking font, but, of course, since I just forced my LCD to run out of native resolutions the fuzziness (to everything) is no good.
Is chat "large" a different font ratio from chat "medium"? My monitor seems to think so.
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Oylmpia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:17:00 -
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I'm using Viewsonic VP930 19" LCD TFT monitor at 1280*1024, because other resolutions are a mess. Last 3 weeks I used my old faithful Hitachi CM772ET 18,1" CRT monitor @ 1152*864, because my tft didn't work (I was waiting for the replacement). Previously with my tft I had no problems. I had none of these font problems with my crt either when I selected that lower resolution. But it isn't an option with my tft.
Today I fired up eve, patched and.. NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That's the most horrible abomination I've ever seen! I even tried to set the font to "wide", but still my eyes.. my eyes..!
I made a comparison between EVE and Windows font (best viewed on tft):
http://www.kotiposti.net/ihmemies/eve/fontti_pielessa.jpg
Compare Verdana and that random garbage font Eve uses. What do you think? Virtually same size, but Eve's font is so unreadable. I'd like to see some real solutions. No other game I know has got such massive issues with so simple thing as showing text... since beta2 this same font problem has plagued Eve. Can't CCP make a permanent fix to this?
You could use some Windows GUI components like: http://www.kotiposti.net/ihmemies/eve/font.jpg and that's it. TFT and CRT users can select whatever font they think is best... no need to find a bad compromise between.
If that is too time-consuming, just try to implement a dropdown menu to game's options where you can select a few general fonts, including that which is currently used, and next to it a font size dropdown menu.
Pretty please. 
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Joachim Laurent
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
With monkeys.
If they go OOHOOHOHOHHOOOO!! Then its a good font.
If they go ARGHREREREKEKKEEKRAARRRRRR! Then its a bad font.
I thought a bad font meant you'd be having your monkeys flinging poo. Or was the poo flinging good? Looks like I need to re-educate myself on quality assurance, things are getting so complicated nowadays. *sigh*
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Devs most likely have 32" plasma screens 
Shows how much YOU know about the games industry
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:30:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/01/2006 20:36:05
Originally by: Klak
Looks like the pre-RMR font to me. Wanna know why CCP never "gives you back your old font"? Because people ***** about every font that's ever been in the game. If they put Times New Roman in people would say they were going blind. CCP doesn't care what you think about the font because you knew you were going to hate it before you ever saw it.
Then let us pick our own. The REASON for the changes were unicode support, and there's no reason to NOT let us pick our own if that's been done properly.
This font is headache-inducingly bad on this monitor - it's an Illyama VM Pro 454 which has no issues with either CoV or the AA beta or any other game or program. This can only lead to the conclusion that Eve's font is poor :/
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
SERIOUSLEY WTF DID YOU DO!
CCP please can we just no go back, I am realy really tempeted to set my skill to drone interfacing lvl5, and cancel my account for a month over this the front gets worse with every chage, its ******* awfull!
We need to go back to the pre rmr font, What is your obsession with trying to blind me?
AARRARAGAGAGARRARARAAGGGGHGHGHGHGHGGHGHGHGHGHG (This does not even beging to expresse my anger and fustration"
!!RIGHT LAST F'ING TIME!!
it is NOT POSSABLE to go back to the old font because it is not unicode compatable, which is what the game uses for it's text.
it's not like windows font's, 3D engines do not work that well OK!
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Windle Poons
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:00:00 -
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1680x1050 20" tft, font looks worse than last patch, which was worse than CWE which was worse than Exodus which was worse than castor.
All in all this font is a big steaming pile of ****. Why does it have to be SO DIFFICULT TO READ!
Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!
ATI card btw.
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Amarria Lightwielder
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:03:00 -
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if it's not broken, fix it. Ccp policy :p
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War Bear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: GouldFish
!!RIGHT LAST F'ING TIME!!
it is NOT POSSABLE to go back to the old font because it is not unicode compatable, which is what the game uses for it's text.
it's not like windows font's, 3D engines do not work that well OK!
That's CCP's problem then. I could care less if they use TTF, Unicode or any other font they can come up with. Fact of the matter is that this font at the same resolution I've always been running Eve at gives me a bloody headache. It's not merely annoying, its painful over even a short period of time. We're supposed to suck it up and pay these guys for something that actually hurts our eyes? No thank you.
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:10:00 -
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I hope everyone using LCD/TFT screens are using the DVI connector, D-SUB/VGA connection IQ is most of the times subpar. With DVI you get pixels really pixel sharp, with VGA the worst is really ugly shadowy far for being crisp.
And peeps, please use 1280x960 on 19" CRTs' if you want see a round circle and not an ellipsoid.
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Snefru
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:18:00 -
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I can't really tell if the actual font is any better or not. I can't seem to get close enought to see it. My nose keeps getting in the way!!!!
The font used before the patch was easy to read, and you could increase the size to something bigger if needed.
WTF is the problem.
The biggest thing that ****es me off is I was to late in canceling my sub, so I'm here for another 25 days.
If we don't like the way the game is, and enough of us leave, they might think about doing something about it.
Plus if you leave for a while, you might find you don't miss it, and get an actual life
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Oylmpia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Deakin
I hope everyone using LCD/TFT screens are using the DVI connector, D-SUB/VGA connection IQ is most of the times subpar. With DVI you get pixels really pixel sharp, with VGA the worst is really ugly shadowy far for being crisp.
It depends. With good monitor and gfx card you can get the data through d/a conversion intact. At least with my Viewsonic VP930, there is no difference between 1280*1024@60Hz using vga and 1280*1024@75Hz using dvi. Only changing refresh rate from 60 to 75 with dsub destroys the images.
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Sixtyniner
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:30:00 -
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And I was getting used to the old one, and now they¦ve changed it again. Does Evil really exist? Think so 
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Max Underwood
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:30:00 -
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This is pathetic.
What idiot is in charge of doing the fonts.
They were told before the patch it was screwed up.
Pull your head out of your f a
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Oylmpia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Oylmpia on 10/01/2006 21:41:58
Edited by: Oylmpia on 10/01/2006 21:40:29
Anyway, try to be a bit more polite. At least I don't like to see all those "WTF" "idiot" etc. from day to day. If you can't come up with anything better than that, just don't type it. Ok?
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Getsu on 10/01/2006 21:46:30
Originally by: Macro Slasher
Edited by: Macro Slasher on 10/01/2006 13:45:41
Originally by: Evan Skalder
I've just about had enough of this. Why the constant drive to change the font? Font should be legible first and cool second. The point of the (digitally) printed word is to convey information, not cause headaches. Why must CCP undo so much good with these hardheaded and unilateral font changes?
Unicode. To support character sets required for many languages a lot easier.
Edit: I'm on 1280x1024. Looks sweet to me.
That's a load of crap. Unicode text showed up just fine in Cold War if the viewer had the font. After RMR, unicode text still only displays if the viewer has the font. All that changed in RMR is that we got a hideous font, which is a little better after the latest patch.
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