people don't need that much money for comfortable (hi-sec) gameplay.

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Of course of the what....5 8/10s I've for done lately I've gotten nothing but overseers and a couple webs.

And you need three ships to break a prison colony

The reason I posted this was not to say null doesn't deserve extra bling but to try to dispell the myth that is commonly posted on this forum that high sec missions are better or more profitable than null sec.

There are even suggestions sometimes that null seccers come to high to run missions to support their null play. Given that combat sites are so easy, require no standings and generate better bounties alone but also offer these billion isk bonanzas in loot quite often I find that really difficult to believe.

No one said the potential isn't there. What the issue is that with all of the interruptions that living in null entails.....hot drops, campers, roaming gangs etc, you often make MORE in high sec, and yes I have an alt in high as well.

....oh and you have to hold your space, generally of all you do out here is rat you get removed. My corp had always been that way, many others are add well.

So you took a day trip and got lucky. Bully for you.

Can you imagine how much alliance peeps are making having stations, fitting, friends and complete safety that I don't have the luxury of having.

Given that, what is this rubbish about L4's and their amazing profitablity??? Curious minds would like to know.

No one said the potential isn't there. What the issue is that with all of the interruptions that living in null entails.....hot drops, campers, roaming gangs etc, you often make MORE in high sec, and yes I have an alt in high as well.

....oh and you have to hold your space, generally of all you do out here is rat you get removed. My corp had always been that way, many others are add well.

So you took a day trip and got lucky. Bully for you.

Interesting. I have been ninja ratting/plexing in null/wh many times and i have earned much much more than doing hisec L4s nearly every time. Yes you need to know how-when-where,but thats the price for higher income. And while L4s have some limitations in isk/hr, if you know how to beat isks from null NPCs, earnings overwhelms L4s in isk/hr by several magnitudes.

Oh and i operate in hostile space always since im not a member of any political powerblock in EVE. Yes i lost several ships but compared to what i earned so far...well....f*ck hisec L4s.

Part of the appeal is always going to be down to the drops. I mean sure, the cash they can bring is tasty, but it's the intrigue as to what they will or won't drop that appeals to me. It's the same reason I float around Null, hacking cans - the money per hour can be worse than mission running, or sometimes it can be a lot better, but it's mainly because I get a grin across my face when I find faction BPCs. With High Sec Lvl4s it's just a god damned grind with nothing to spice it up with.

not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.

I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting.

As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how?

I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting.

As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how?

Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.

What's the Ishtar fit? I have no clue about PvE fits but those sure are tempting sums :)

Confirming null is way easier to make spaec moneys in. Way easier.

Look i'm a grownup with things to do and can't dedicate 4-6 hr chunks of a day to eve. Would love to, but no. I buy a plex or two and sell it on the market if i need isk and so my focus is on what i'm doing and who with.
So much concern with isk/hr comes from oddball loners who know everything and aren't willing to take their place in a group they can't dominate. 20m ticks? I'm pleased for you son but that's approaching 4$ per hour. You'd be better off stuffing envelopes and buying plex on the market from some rmt bot.

Spaec adventure gaem, chaps, not spaec job.

For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.

Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.

It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low.

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Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.

Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.

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Zappity the fits pretty standard.

Highs

Civilian turret
Cloaking device
Drone link


Mids

Corelum 10MN AB
Pith C-Type Med Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Hardner
Pith X-Type Thermal Hardner
Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

Lows

3 Drone damage Amp II
Nanofibre II
Damage Control II

Rigs

Anti-Thermal Rig II

Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount.

You don't get it high sec is 28 jumps away.....That is with jump bridges.

Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out.

No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.

What 'gameplay' is there in highsec apart from mission running?

Really? Teach me for reading Goonwiki. I guess I'll put my boost amp back on then.

Apparently some people see the gaining isk as the game and haven't found out that all the fun stuff comes from spending isk. That is maybe why they end up with those stupid officer fit mission running boats. They just haven't found anything to spend isk on.

Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt.

I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction.

But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.