I beg to disagree. One was stagnant feudalism(or crony capitalism might perhaps be more accurate), backed only by outright cheating.

The others are space communists, backed from an external forum community.

Whatever else you may say about the Goons, they are not dev hacks cheaters.

Unfortunately, the lack of goons spreading out and playing games like Rift have caused Rift to have to 'Unify shards' inorder to keep the universe looking populated. Not sure it's going to work, but I'll log in and take a look sometime.

Could respect BoB...goonies not so much.

Could respect BoB...goonies not so much.

Idk about that. The goons organized and led one of the largest and most successful coalitions in Eve. That certainly deserves respect.

The bulk of the rest of the CFC however... they joined because it was the safe thing to do. And they will leave when it is no longer safe. Just as they did before in their past alliances.

I must say though, when the mittani made his last mistake and gevlon goblin was charting out our downfall, the rest of the cfc was still there on the frontlines instead of rushing to join test alliance please ignore, our would-be executioners

or PL

confirming i would stay until we burn in a fire and then some

ive had fun, even though we (cfc) are without a doubt the worst coalition ive ever heard of

i wonder how some people get dressed in the morning sometimes

inb4 pet response/bunch of bads/grr goons/grr cfc/f1 warrior/"but you have heard of me"

actually nvm its funny hearing those things

Why are you telling me, I'm not the one making the claims.

Buddy there are no claims, the fact is the CFC has over 35,000 members. Which is inclusive of the phrase "tens of thousands." Clearly your un-substanciated bias and lack of knowledge of events has affected your ability to properly digest information, so I will walk you though it.

Only the biggest fights in the Fountain Campaign were highlighted. Sure the biggest battles featured less than 7,000, but there were still DOZENS of other objective being executed in parallel. Each with dozens, hundreds or a thousand or so pilots in themselves. - Multiple objectives, executed by multiple fleets over multiple systems, spanning tens of thousands of players.

AND we got ships reimbursed within 24 hours. Do you have any idea how many ships were lost every day for an organization to be able to pay back pilots with ships and modules that fast, all while keeping their cool - You haven't the slightest idea.

I'm sorry buddy, but even when you account for multi-boxers and alts, that is still a lot of communication, logistics and finances to handle. You are just going to have to show me how it could be done better.

Don't be so bitter, you can join too.

The CFC is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In the CFC you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the CFC motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.

Many hands make light work, and elite pvp loves to rep structures

CFC the New BoB

Goons claim to have saved us from BoB.. then becomes BoB

let me correct that for you " without the goons we would have a better game"

To some we'll always be those guys that ruined EvE.

To some we'll always be those guys that ruined EvE.

They say you always end up becoming the think you dispise the most.

This the main reason that something has to be changed regarding reinforcement timers and force projection. CFC, CFC lovers and CFC apologists will try to use an argument that goes something like this => "if you change the timers then we'll be able to stomp over everyone" or "that would hurt the little guys". This is not true.

If a coalition of 37,000 players want to kill a little guy, timers mean zip, there is nothing that the little guys can do about it.

However, if timers are changed it means the little guys can choose a time that's not chosen by 37,000 players, and don't have to show up at a time chosen by those 37,000 players to get wiped out by a massive supercap, capital and sub cap fleet that magically appeared in the system from the other side of the galaxy.

History has shown that the bigger your empire gets, the harder it is to defend yourself against "the little guy". The longer the routes are for your armies and navy. The more spread out your forces need to be to defend your massive territory. The longer it takes for intel to get past along.

For whatever reason CCP decided that these rules of massive empires didn't need to be in game and this is the result. 37,000 accounts, which is ludicrous, able to squash anyone in game because they get automatic messages from the server whenever anything they own is attacked, they get to choose when their territory is defended, they don't need to worry about the size of their territory and they can move the biggest ships in the game faster through bridging than the smallest fastest ships can move via gates.

WTF are they smoking in Iceland?

This the main reason that something has to be changed regarding reinforcement timers and force projection. CFC, CFC lovers and CFC apologists will try to use an argument that goes something like this => "if you change the timers then we'll be able to stomp over everyone" or "that would hurt the little guys". This is not true.

If a coalition of 37,000 players want to kill a little guy, timers mean zip, there is nothing that the little guys can do about it.

However, if timers are changed it means the little guys can choose a time that's not chosen by 37,000 players, and don't have to show up at a time chosen by those 37,000 players to get wiped out by a massive supercap, capital and sub cap fleet that magically appeared in the system from the other side of the galaxy.

History has shown that the bigger your empire gets, the harder it is to defend yourself against "the little guy". The longer the routes are for your armies and navy. The more spread out your forces need to be to defend your massive territory. The longer it takes for intel to get past along.

For whatever reason CCP decided that these rules of massive empires didn't need to be in game and this is the result. 37,000 accounts, which is ludicrous, able to squash anyone in game because they get automatic messages from the server whenever anything they own is attacked, they get to choose when their territory is defended, they don't need to worry about the size of their territory and they can move the biggest ships in the game faster through bridging than the smallest fastest ships can move via gates.

WTF are they smoking in Iceland?

Timers give the defenders an opportunity to actually put up a defense. I realize that you believe that you are entitled to stand a chance in the sov game as a ~solo player~ but abloobloobloo the mechanics aren't entirely in my favor why does CCP favor the blob

Timers give the defenders an opportunity to actually put up a defense. I realize that you believe that you are entitled to stand a chance in the sov game as a ~solo player~ but abloobloobloo the mechanics aren't entirely in my favor why does CCP favor the blob