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FrioBebe
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Posted - 2006.02.07 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ku'Gras I'm saying convo between diplomats in-game > vague forum accusations.
Using words as "mentally challenged" does not fall under your umbrella of forum accusations.
Just out of curiosity, who are you referring to. SA, SE or =! BoB?
K tnx...
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.07 09:52:00 -
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As Drax says, the fee for a contract varys greatly from job to job and we have had people ask for quotes for hits on single corporations, alliances, pirate groups, single POS, multiple POS networks, individual pilots, individual pirates . . . the list goes on.
We have to vary our costing strategy to take these various factors into account as well as locations, client desires, specific goals hardware that needs to be used and indeed, who the target is.
As a base we generally use 250 mil/corp so as to filter some of the smaller clients who might make do with smaller, more affordable mercenary outfits who are more suitable to the job at hand.
Gronsak, for us to fight someone we generally need to be contacted with a serious, solid offer. We do not "jump on bandwagons" or take "the easiest option". We speak with serious potential clients in the same manner.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.02.07 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak i would have the greatest repect for the MC if i could believe this. what if insted u got the convo from some guy to be hired to fight bob on SA side. would u guys of taken the contract.
Irrelavant. No one approached us to take a contract on BOB on the side of SA.
Oh, and we dont take sides. We get paid to do a job. We were paid to declare war on SA and clean FAT of hostile POS. The fact that BOB + Exuro are in an empire war with SA is of little consequence and the contract was already negotiated days before SA commited suicide and declared on BOB.
Originally by: gransak if u are truly unbiased and isk dictates your enermys then i take my hat off to the MC. it shows that you are up to fighting anyone, even if greatly outnumbered. but if as i would suspect that you guys get offers to fight both sides yet you pick the easier option [i dont know much about the MC but i would assume this is the case. correct me if i am wrong] then i have no repect for you and u are just as bad as the other band wagon jumpers.
Yes we were extremely bored and thought we would:
a) waste 400mil on strontium killing POS's that have no relevance whatsoever to the MC b) Put 20bil or so worth of hardware on the line for people that mean nothing outside of a contract c) Wake up at 3:30am to finish off hostile POS that like i said, mean nothing to the MC out of contract
Please be quiet. If we had merely declared war on SA then i would say you have a basis for an argument that we are jumping on the bandwagon Which, by the way, would still be rubbish because the MC doesnt do such a thing, we have no reason to.
As for us and BOB being friends, yes that is very true. It is mutually beneficial at the moment. The MC gets somewhere to NPC + Mine whilst off contract and BOB get "housekeepers" whilst we are there. Having 150 more PVPers in their space isnt exactly going to do them any harm is it?
Would we take a contract on BOB? Convo me and make me an offer, preferably better than the one and only offer we've had before, and we will see
P.S. This tinhatfoolery has got to stop. Its rediculous
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Dalilah
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Posted - 2006.02.07 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ku'Gras I'm NOT saying there is a reason or even that any party (SE or BoB) wants to alter standings. My CEO said we are content with having them at negative and before that SE guy popped in here I was sure SE were happy and content with a negative standing.
Exactly. BTW BoB isn't our primary, secondary or even tretiary target but it's a true that we have mutual negative standings and enjoy good fights. We were involved in that conflict due BoB invasion in Stain and simply fighting to secure our region. That's all. ---
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.02.07 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Destroyer Draxx
So what ur saying is that will charge crazy amounts of isk to take a contract on u, even though their charter states that they charge around 200 mil a corp. Still doesnt sound neutral to me. Care to elaborate?
Basically, it's sound business economics. The harder the target, the higher the price; it doesn't make sense to charge a flat fee for all circumstances when you know the cost of doing business on your own end is going change depending on what you've been contracted for.
Example: (conjecture) When MC was hired by ISS for escort and protection during their most recent outpost deployment, one would expect the price of services rendered to be lower than a normal contract.. this would be due to the lower likelyhood of combat occuring. Everything has to be factored in.
In contrast, if a contract was to be put out on BoB, MC has no illusions as to wether their reputation is well earned. They are basically a hardened target. Charging the same fee to go after a noob corp or a veteran pvp outfit... doesn't make sense. Perhaps if BoB is to suffer some significant defeats and comes to be seen in a different light by MC, then the price would likely go down in the future.
Industrialists play the market on a regular basis; Mercenaries have their own market, and they have to treat it with similar respect if they want to be a viable entity.
PS. Not trying to speak on behalf of MC in any way here, just looking to clue someone in.
Avernus, first of all, very cool name. Sounds... 'Hellish'.
Your post is actually very, very good. We scale our payments according to the "hardness" of a target or what the client expects of us. In some cases, our rates vary from week to week for even the same client depending on thier goals.
As to BoB - I've made this point in the past which is that we have never been offered a serious contract on BoB. Not once. By serious, I mean someone with concrete goals, a plan that uses us to our potential and the ISK to back it up.
Up until recently, the same question with regard to, "Why hasn't MC ever attacked [5]?" kept coming up. When a client with an agenda, realistic expectations and a good wallet showed up, we took the job.
The problem is this: the MC is still a small organization. We are the shock troops / Marine Corps of EVE. That's how we model ourselves and sell. We always make this very clear to any client - we can do a lot for you, we might even be able to tip the balance in a greater conflict, we can go in and do a hell of a lot of damage against a target, but we aren't an occupation army or an after-war police force.
Bottom line: if someone wants the MC to hit BoB, you had better have a serious wallet and a serious plan. To be quite honest, with the number of offers we get, I'm not wasting our time on a contract with no other goal than to "kill a lot of them" when we have other options with much clearer goals and definative results. -
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.02.07 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX Edited by: Recluse XXX on 07/02/2006 04:45:25
Originally by: Gronsak i dont know much about the MC
On another note...its kinda funny to see a bought account that actually have been a member of the MC say that they dont know much about us....
Rec, I believe you have finally pwned someone...
Thinfoilasshattery = Best word for a loong time!
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Demitri Klashnikov
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Posted - 2006.02.07 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
Originally by: Recluse XXX Edited by: Recluse XXX on 07/02/2006 04:45:25
Originally by: Gronsak i dont know much about the MC
On another note...its kinda funny to see a bought account that actually have been a member of the MC say that they dont know much about us....
Rec, I believe you have finally pwned someone...
Thinfoilasshattery = Best word for a loong time!
/LOWA
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow P.S. This tinhatfoolery has got to stop. Its rediculous
It's 'tinfoilasshattery' mate 'tinhatfoolery' just doesn't have the same ring to it
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Kisses
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Posted - 2006.02.07 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: USN CVN73 Its becoming more suspicious that perhaps several fix have bob accounts and that those bob accounts were used by fix to make threats that bob will wardeck sa if sa continued to engage fix.
Seems like most of BOB were surprised at the SA forward strike than the wardeck. With this said it has become clear that BoB accounts are being run by Fix and potentially have stirred more conflict than nessesary.
There r a hand full of players that are trying to dictate a direction eve should take. Sadly - i think many entities are being moved like pawns on a chess board. Unfortunatly BoB may have been forced to make a move without true understanding what has occured in the last week.
for those sides involved in this conflict may the servers be sound and may the pilots be compitant. Events will unfold and all entities involved will go forward regardless.
cheers USN
Okay, seriously, just stop. You have surpassed the bounds of stupidity into the uncharted realm of utter moronic retardism. Someone please get rid of this assclown.
Strike a cord of truth did he?
And besides you Both are going to Sit There and tell us that being in two different Alliances isnt possible or feasible?
Ohh wait just like BOB and FIX dont have any alts that post on these forums..
Of COURSE its possible M8's
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Eyeshadow P.S. This tinhatfoolery has got to stop. Its rediculous
It's 'tinfoilasshattery' mate 'tinhatfoolery' just doesn't have the same ring to it
ahh sorry mate, will get it right next time
Whatever its referred to, its getting a bit out of hand. Paranoia has swept through EVE. Everyone is conspiring with everyone else and every action taken in the game is a conspiracy against/for someone
Jesus
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KingAc
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:30:00 -
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Yet again the power of ninja Kladdkaka/MC ones more take control of a most ebil E-O post \o/
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Gravis
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow P.S. This tinhatfoolery has got to stop. Its rediculous
No. This kladdkaka bla bla bla has to stop. Its getting rediculous.
And gronsak, read Rec¦s post again and again and again
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Garia666
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there ---------------------------------------------- CCP [ Cash Collecting Program ] Slogan : The more Skilzz the more Moneh .. ---------------------------------------------- |
Seleene
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there
After this weekend, FAT is firmly in the hands of FIX. What are you talking about? -
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there
What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it?
Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there
What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it?
Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement
It was a grand achievement. After being beat down by G/IRON for a month SA reorganised and took back a system from a determined alliance that had been there for several months.
Infact it was a bigger achievement than yours since SA only had a few days or less to setup to hold FAT.
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: ZedLey on 07/02/2006 13:12:53
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there
What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it?
Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement
SA would of had FAT if they wouldnt of been gangbanged against. And tbh SA deserves the respect that they took FAT after beeing hurt badly by IRON/G war
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 07/02/2006 13:13:42 Why the **** would anyone ever hire MC to fight BOB? Right now it would be soo counterproductive in the long run it's not even funny.
The only one I would ever contemplate hiring against BOB is GH-SC tbh, and not to rob it but with the aim to split it which probably is impossible now anyway.
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Troubadour
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: USN CVN73
Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: USN CVN73 play this game.laugh at some insane thought. the game be Real life . Wont you agree? Forums are supposed to be serious. Damn CNN...
just useing your last post as a example of selective quating. lol its funney tbh. usually not that far. but u get what i mean, dont selective quote to put ur point across.
I AM NOT A ENGLISH MAJOR... Thank you for the correction!!!
But if u want to be critical hehe your spelling is not perfect "useing" hmm. hehe just wanted to be funny!
USN
Who let USN out of his cage? It's time for your fishheads USN, be a good boy now.
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Kazim
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there
What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it?
Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement
Now now, dont smack us MC it doesnt suit you. After we got decced by all of you I dont think we could have hold on to fat even if we tried, so we didnt
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Smithers
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:17:00 -
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No offense to MC, but Selenee, you should keep a tighter leash on Eyeshadow, he seems a bit smack happy and not as professional and respectful as the majority of your members.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 07/02/2006 13:24:18
Originally by: Eyeshadow
What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it?
Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement
Makes me wonder somewhat when the galaxies most well known merc group which often trades on it's neutrality talks about helping it's allies.
Can we assume from that statement that Bob or FIX employed you? (kinda obvious really).
Or is your employer going to be a bit ****ed off that your wasting time shooting stations SA have no intention of using.
Sorry for the hostile-ish tone, the whole when is as merc job actually a merc job and not just an easy excuse for a war dec issue has been bugging me for a while.
Taurequis
edit - for factual error.
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BlackRain
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wizie
It was a grand achievement. After being beat down by G/IRON for a month SA reorganised and took back a system from a determined alliance that had been there for several months.
It just strikes me as funny because just a couple of days ago the forum was full of SA members telling us no one has ever beat them in combat, nnd now getting beaten down by G/IRON is being used as their defense. In the Big Picture, that does not compute.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:31:00 -
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Your quoting a cosmic fusion guy. Plus you obviously know you dont believe everything you read on the forums eh.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Smithers No offense to MC, but Selenee, you should keep a tighter leash on Eyeshadow, he seems a bit smack happy and not as professional and respectful as the majority of your members.
smack or not, i cant believe any1 could possibly respect SA for taking 6 weeks to a station that took us 24 hrs to retake. Whether we gang banged them or not, SA had their fair share of allies when they took it in the first place.
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Smithers
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Smithers No offense to MC, but Selenee, you should keep a tighter leash on Eyeshadow, he seems a bit smack happy and not as professional and respectful as the majority of your members.
smack or not, i cant believe any1 could possibly respect SA for taking 6 weeks to a station that took us 24 hrs to retake. Whether we gang banged them or not, SA had their fair share of allies when they took it in the first place.
The point is, that those 6 weeks have nothing to do with you. You arent employed to smack for your contractor aswell you know.
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BlackRain
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis Plus you obviously know you dont believe everything you read on the forums eh.
It is indeed a bit counterproductive to play forum detective & try and make logical deduction according to what people say on forums AND then post the quoted sentence. Eh?
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Incinate
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow smack or not, i cant believe any1 could possibly respect SA for taking 6 weeks to a station that took us 24 hrs to retake. Whether we gang banged them or not, SA had their fair share of allies when they took it in the first place.
Word.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Smithers No offense to MC, but Selenee, you should keep a tighter leash on Eyeshadow, he seems a bit smack happy and not as professional and respectful as the majority of your members.
smack or not, i cant believe any1 could possibly respect SA for taking 6 weeks to a station that took us 24 hrs to retake. Whether we gang banged them or not, SA had their fair share of allies when they took it in the first place.
It is smack.
And it is noteworthy because SA had to take out a well established alliance from a system where they had been for a while.
You took out an alliance that had almost no time to settle there. And in fact didnt attempt to hold it either.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: BlackRain
Originally by: Taurequis Plus you obviously know you dont believe everything you read on the forums eh.
It is indeed a bit counterproductive to play forum detective & try and make logical deduction according to what people say on forums AND then post the quoted sentence. Eh?
You better stop...
= laughing at myself as well as you. Sorry for not making my sarcasm more obvious.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
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