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Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:44:00 - [301] Originally by: BlackRain Edited by: BlackRain on 07/02/2006 13:28:09 Originally by: Wizie It was a grand achievement. After being beat down by G/IRON for a month SA reorganised and took back a system from a determined alliance that had been there for several months. It just strikes me as funny because just a couple of days ago the forum was full of SA members telling us no one has ever beat them in combat, and now getting beaten down by G/IRON is being used as their defense. In the Big Picture, that does not compute. Getting beat down and getting beat is different. G/IRON have beaten BOB in plenty of fights. But have they defeated BOB as an entity? NO.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:50:00 - [302] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/02/2006 13:50:45 Originally by: Smithers The point is, that those 6 weeks have nothing to do with you. You arent employed to smack for your contractor aswell you know. Sorry that doesnt make any sense to me. The previous 6 weeks indeed had very little to do with us (just as it had naff all to do with Five i might add) but that doesnt stop me voicing my opinion on the situation does it (just as you are voicing yours). And the contractor has nothing to do with whether i smack talk or not. Quote: You took out an alliance that had almost no time to settle there. And in fact didnt attempt to hold it either. The first sentence i can agree with The second, however, basically proves that my point is correct. They didnt even bother to try and defend that which they bragged so much about taking so why the hell should anyone respect them for anything to do with it? My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
FrioBebe	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:55:00 - [303] Originally by: BlackRain It is indeed a bit counterproductive to play forum detective & try and make logical deduction according to what people say on forums AND then post the quoted sentence. Eh? You better stop... Howcome YOUR version of the truth is more true, than the other debateant version of the truth? And by that somehow you are stating BoB is allways right and everyone else is wrong. If they are not wrong they are smacktalkers or "retards". I can't really see that quoting, and asking questions of a statement somehow qualifies for the title "Forum detective"
merketbeehatch	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:57:00 - [304] Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/02/2006 13:50:45 Originally by: Smithers The point is, that those 6 weeks have nothing to do with you. You arent employed to smack for your contractor aswell you know. Sorry that doesnt make any sense to me. The previous 6 weeks indeed had very little to do with us (just as it had naff all to do with Five i might add) but that doesnt stop me voicing my opinion on the situation does it (just as you are voicing yours). And the contractor has nothing to do with whether i smack talk or not. Quote: You took out an alliance that had almost no time to settle there. And in fact didnt attempt to hold it either. The first sentence i can agree with The second, however, basically proves that my point is correct. They didnt even bother to try and defend that which they bragged so much about taking so why the hell should anyone respect them for anything to do with it? Why should anyone respect you for taking it back with bob's help?
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:01:00 - [305] Originally by: Eyeshadow What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it? Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement To be fair the Catch campaign was not just to take FAT but was the occupation of Catch from a larger (at the start) and determined foe. V2 was taken very near the beginning and after one attempt to take 5-n that was repulsed very succesfully by FIX a second attempt was made on 5-n which saw it fall in a week. After that the battle for FAT began in earnest as opposed to being the enemy supression / harrassment exercise it had been before. A week of the fiercest sustained fighting I have ever seen resulted in allied forces taking the system, considering our opponent threw all they had into the battle then personally I feel it is an achievement. Over the weekend SA was facing BoB + FIX + MC + Exuro Mortis + Tribal Souls + SE + The Triad, is it any wonder that FAT fell within 24 hours? With SA forces in Stain facing the excession that they do then taking back FAT would have been simply a clinical exercise in taking down the POS and claiming sov. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:04:00 - [306] Originally by: merketbeehatch Why should anyone respect you for taking it back with bob's help? I neither ask for, nor require, anyone's respect in this game for my, or the MC's action. My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:06:00 - [307] Originally by: FrioBebe Howcome YOUR version of the truth is more true, than the other debateant version of the truth? I'm sorry but I have no clue what you're talking about. I have offered no "versions of truth" here. Quote: And by that somehow you are stating BoB is allways right and everyone else is wrong. If they are not wrong they are smacktalkers or "retards". Same applies here. Plus that I've not called anyone smacktalker or a retard. Elaborate, please. Quote: I can't really see that quoting, and asking questions of a statement somehow qualifies for the title "Forum detective" Read up. ------------------- -
FrioBebe	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:18:00 - [308] Originally by: BlackRain I'm sorry but I have no clue what you're talking about. I have offered no "versions of truth" here. YOU as in BoB. Originally by: BlackRain Same applies here. Plus that I've not called anyone smacktalker or a retard. Elaborate, please. Same applies here. Originally by: BlackRain Read up. indeed.
Xantina	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:18:00 - [309] I fail to detect any truth here. All I see is opinions - sometimes more like wishful thinking. From my point of view the problem SA have with the forums right now is that there is too much SA smack brought forward with too much enthusiasm. And at some point, you started to believe your own propaganda. Which might not always be as true as you would wish.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:59:00 - [310] TBH, we would have done our job in FAT with or without the help of BoB. In fact, the majority of the ships holding the 'line' in FAT this weekend were FIX with a smattering of MC pilots. BoB were running all over the place looking for fights from what I heard & saw, while our capital fleet did the job we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. SA and everyone else can say all they want, but this crap about them not even trying to keep FAT was a huge shock to many of us considering the way it was paraded about as a victory prior to this week. We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. - See the MC in action in our latest vid! Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran

Smithers	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:07:00 - [311] Originally by: Seleene We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. Problem as i see it anyway for a merc organisation, to be smaking who you are contracted against is counter-productive as they will be lessing willing to purchase your services aswell maybe in the future? And if you keep doing it to everyone your contracted against, your employer list will get smaller and smaller. After all the enemy might be willing to hire you in the future, if he see's you are skileld (which you are) and dont smack them. Would you want to hire someone who smacks your alliance? I hope you can see where im coming from
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:08:00 - [312] Go SA Nice knowing you FIX and Tribal ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
Mauxir	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:11:00 - [313] Originally by: Seleene TBH, we would have done our job in FAT with or without the help of BoB. In fact, the majority of the ships holding the 'line' in FAT this weekend were FIX with a smattering of MC pilots. BoB were running all over the place looking for fights from what I heard & saw, while our capital fleet did the job we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. SA and everyone else can say all they want, but this crap about them not even trying to keep FAT was a huge shock to many of us considering the way it was paraded about as a victory prior to this week. We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. OK, now strategy is not my forte but Ill give it a go to explain to you why we didnt try to hold FAT. Now this might come to you as a shocker but when you are outnumbered as much as we are you have to pick your fights and mostly fight those you stand a reasonable chance of winning. This is not the case with FAT. You saying that you could have done this alone? Maybe you could maybe you couldnt. But even if we tried to stop you do you really thing all the other wagoneers would just stand by and let us duke it out? I think not. Now my heart is really breaking because you didnt get fun fights over the weekend but if you want fun fights dont take "bandwagon" contracts. See you in space.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:19:00 - [314] Originally by: Seleene TBH, we would have done our job in FAT with or without the help of BoB. In fact, the majority of the ships holding the 'line' in FAT this weekend were FIX with a smattering of MC pilots. BoB were running all over the place looking for fights from what I heard & saw, while our capital fleet did the job we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. SA and everyone else can say all they want, but this crap about them not even trying to keep FAT was a huge shock to many of us considering the way it was paraded about as a victory prior to this week. We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. Guess its ok to smack as long as you are voicing frustrations then. I'm sure you are aware that SA don't have the capital ships alone to challenge yours.
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:19:00 - [315] Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Go SA Nice knowing you FIX and Tribal um, FIX and Tribal are going to be fine.... ? ============== This is a sig O RLY? - Imaran I've only done 4 hours of Tools for 2D graphics, give me a few weeks and i'll be cool, really.
Garia666	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:22:00 - [316] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/02/2006 12:42:34 Well after teh FAT Operation.. SA have gain back allot of respect and. I can only say.. good luck .. and Hang in there What FAT operation? You mean how it took SA + allies 1.5months to take control of that system, and FIX + allies (BOB, MC + FIX) 24 hours to regain it? Yeah SA should really be respected for such a grand achievement Well for your INFO i was there to make it happen.. And as former SE i can say things have changed. Even true enemies can come together and show respect to eachother. Wich has happend. ---------------------------------------------- CCP [ Cash Collecting Program ] Slogan : The more Skilzz the more Moneh .. ----------------------------------------------
Taurequis	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:24:00 - [317] Originally by: Seleene we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. So your saying that before Fix got Bob involved to try and stop the war they had placed a contract with MC to continue it? Taurequis
Seleene	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:25:00 - [318] Originally by: Mauxir Originally by: Seleene TBH, we would have done our job in FAT with or without the help of BoB. In fact, the majority of the ships holding the 'line' in FAT this weekend were FIX with a smattering of MC pilots. BoB were running all over the place looking for fights from what I heard & saw, while our capital fleet did the job we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. SA and everyone else can say all they want, but this crap about them not even trying to keep FAT was a huge shock to many of us considering the way it was paraded about as a victory prior to this week. We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. OK, now strategy is not my forte but Ill give it a go to explain to you why we didnt try to hold FAT. Now this might come to you as a shocker but when you are outnumbered as much as we are you have to pick your fights and mostly fight those you stand a reasonable chance of winning. This is not the case with FAT. You saying that you could have done this alone? Maybe you could maybe you couldnt. But even if we tried to stop you do you really thing all the other wagoneers would just stand by and let us duke it out? I think not. Now my heart is really breaking because you didnt get fun fights over the weekend but if you want fun fights dont take "bandwagon" contracts. See you in space. Not disagreeing with much of this except to say that BoB jumped on our bandwagon, not the other way around. - See the MC in action in our latest vid! Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
CopeLand	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:33:00 - [319] Originally by: Eyeshadow is of little consequence and the contract was already negotiated days before SA commited suicide and declared on BOB. now for those interested in the subject, and have bothered to read through all the usual flaming, trolling and abuse.. and are infact interested in facts.. especially me and some individuals earlier in this thread talking about intelligence reports this quite clearly must be the quote of the year
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:36:00 - [320] Originally by: Seleene SA and everyone else can say all they want, but this crap about them not even trying to keep FAT was a huge shock to many of us considering the way it was paraded about as a victory prior to this week. We went in this weekend ready for the fight of our lives. We fully expected SA to fight to keep what was "thiers". It didn't happen. Some of you may be slamming Eye for smacking, but all he's really doing is voicing frustrations about the fact that we were expecting a big fight and didn't get one. As a rough guide to available combatants on either side FIX + MC probably gets equivalence to SA and you were concentrated in FAT. When looking at the map all one could see were strings of camps into and inside SA space from the other factions arrayed against SA. The non FIX + MC factions added up and involved in SA space probably amount to a 2-2.5 advantage against SA and so they have to by necessity fight a gorilla war against their opponents as large set piece battles will put them at a huge disadvantage. As they are largely going to be supplied off their capitol and not their income as opposed to their enemies then keeping ships alive has a higher priority than their enemies. These factors combined with the fact that an SA fleet would have to fight set piece battles against an opponent that out numbered them >2:1 before they even run the gauntlet of a prepared and entrenched enemy in FAT would have made such an attempt an exercise in futility at best. They lost FAT, they would have lost FAT anyway if they tried to save it, this way SA saved a huge loss of ships from making the attempt. We employed a similar method for taking 5-n, SA + KOAS would invest FAT and Querilous whilst Huzzah would put everything it had into sealing off 5-n and setting up the POS. No doubt FIX command came to the same conclusions as SA did when faced with a similar problem. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!

Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:40:00 - [321] Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: Seleene we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. So your saying that before Fix got Bob involved to try and stop the war they had placed a contract with MC to continue it? Taurequis It would be extremly ironic if the contract had been placed before Orc A made his additional demands and MC + FIX would have gone into FAT, breaking the terms of the ceasfire anyway. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Macsine	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:42:00 - [322] Edited by: Macsine on 07/02/2006 15:43:02 Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: Seleene we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. So your saying that before Fix got Bob involved to try and stop the war they had placed a contract with MC to continue it? Taurequis I'm too lazy to look for it now so I'm paraphrasing: I remember a fixian stating that SA breaking a ceasefire agreement didn't come as a surprise, merely the short time it took - 24 hours instead of a week. Maybe that would be an explanation ?
Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:42:00 - [323] Originally by: CopeLand Originally by: Eyeshadow is of little consequence and the contract was already negotiated days before SA commited suicide and declared on BOB. now for those interested in the subject, and have bothered to read through all the usual flaming, trolling and abuse.. and are infact interested in facts.. especially me and some individuals earlier in this thread talking about intelligence reports this quite clearly must be the quote of the year Or claim of the year. Anyhow expecting SA to engage in FAT with a large fleet was silly from the get go. With the number of entities fighting SA in that area, it would have been a nightmare to move a fleet of any decent size around. Or even more so to reinforce it. The roaming BOB fleets would have made sure of that. Exuro and the FIX alt ASUYA and lot. Instead it seems the MC like any other entity are unhappy that they might have to work at getting fights. Yay for npc stations in 0.0 Just glad that BOB havent sent a gigantic fleet down to do the same. They either don't care to beat down on an already outnumbered foe or know that bringing a capitalship/BS fleet would do little but frustrate the pilots flying them.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:44:00 - [324] Originally by: Macsine Edited by: Macsine on 07/02/2006 15:43:02 Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: Seleene we'd been hired to do before BoB even got involved in this. So your saying that before Fix got Bob involved to try and stop the war they had placed a contract with MC to continue it? Taurequis I'm too lazy to look for it now so I'm paraphrasing: I remember a fixian stating that SA breaking a ceasefire agreement didn't come as a surprise, merely the short time it took - 24 hours instead of a week. Maybe that would be an explanation ? Not an explanation, more like an attempted justification.
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.02.07 15:47:00 - [325] Originally by: FrioBebe Edited by: FrioBebe on 07/02/2006 14:40:19 Originally by: BlackRain I'm sorry but I have no clue what you're talking about. I have offered no "versions of truth" here. YOU as in BoB. First of all, you need to understand that I'm talking as a person. My views are my views, and I'm not some collective diplomatic voice of BoB. Originally by: BlackRain It is indeed a bit counterproductive to play forum detective & try and make logical deduction according to what people say on forums AND then post the quoted sentence. Eh? Dear little friend. How can you say that another persons reasoning is wrong, if you do not claim to hold the "right truth"? I'm not sure i understand you fully, when you say you have not offered any versions of the truth. What are you talking about? And now it appears you're simply trying to be smarter and tougher than you really are. Patronising rarely works when you don't know how to do it right - or have the ability to back it up. You apparently can't do it right nor do you have the credibility to do it, so stop. Please. I have not presented any "right truths" here nor even expressed my views in lenght. All I did was laugh at the way SA's "getting beaten up by G/IRON" got transformed from "we never got beaten up" into "hey, we did good considering we got beaten up". Then I continued to point out that playing forum detective and making conclusions based on what people type on these forums is a bit silly - and even counterproductive when the poster himself said that "you can't believe what people write on these forums". Then, enter FrioBebe and incoherent rambling... I mean seriously, wtf are you talking about? That rambling sounds more like some freshman philosophy student on mushrooms. Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: BlackRain Same applies here. Plus that I've not called anyone smacktalker or a retard. Elaborate, please. Same applies here. k... Upto this post I seriously haven't called anyone a smacktalker or a retard in this thread. Now, however, I'm compelled to do so. Maybe it's better to stop trying to talk with you because you clearly are trying to argue an entirely different point from entirely different universe. Bye. ------------------- -
Macsine	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:12:00 - [326] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Macsine I'm too lazy to look for it now so I'm paraphrasing: I remember a fixian stating that SA breaking a ceasefire agreement didn't come as a surprise, merely the short time it took - 24 hours instead of a week. Maybe that would be an explanation ? Not an explanation, more like an attempted justification. I'm not in the business of justifying anything. I merely find the chain of events highly entertaining. Consider this: 1. Someone, let's call him Meekri (name altered) starts a shooting incident within fix and attempts to start a civil war. The attempt fails rather badly and said individual makes a run for SA space. At that time FIX is friendly towards SA. 2. SA shelters the above individual against FIX despite repeated protests from FIX and altho FIX placed a bounty on "Meekri". 3. SA pilots trespass into FIX space, some shooting incidents take place. 4. A merc corp decided to wardec FIX and cut off the trade routes to empire space. 5. FIX is closing their border to SA by setting them to neutral. Diplomatic attempts to resolve this are rejected by Orc A. SA sets FIX to -10 and starts raiding into FIX territory. After almost a week FIX sets SA to -10, the war is official. 6. SA & allies are starting a full invasion of Fix space. Orc A statement (it's in the news archives) : Quote: Whilst the border incidents and the tactical weight of the region played an important part in deteriorating relations between both parties, Pebbledasher thinks that the Stain- Alliance "covets FIX territory", going even further to say that, "their avarice has lead ... to initiate, what in their minds always was, an acquisitive conflict." This allegation is not completely refuted by Orc A, who justifies their action: "It's time for more cooperative members to reside in Querious", with the long term objective being the complete termination of the Firmus Ixion alliance. 7. After weeks of a 2 front war FAT falls and FIX offers SA a ceasefire. Knowing Orc A FIX diplomates also prepare a backup plan in case SA rejects the offer. 8. SA not only breaks the ceasefire terms but blows the show completely by making ridiculous demands from FIX, followed by wardecing the arbiter of the ceasefire, BoB. 9. Pretty much all southern entities who so far kept themselves out of the fight come to the conclusion that an Orc A led SA is an unreliable neighbor and take action. I think that pretty much sums it up. So you see it's not very surprising to learn FIX used diplomacy in the middle of a shooting war. Actually that's the major difference between the modus operandi of FIX and SA: While SA went into a blood frenzy, FIX might have leaned out but never lost their resolve nor focus of their objectives.
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:21:00 - [327] U got to be kidding me, what a load of twisting the truth from this last speaker Praeludium to success
Koronos	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:22:00 - [328] Edited by: Koronos on 07/02/2006 16:28:08 Yeah, ridiculous. Almost as many mistakes in that timeline as in the last eve-news report. :/ Koronos Edit: Actually, that's not true. Far fewer than the eve-news report. But, still.... <snip> can't bring myself to go back into the details. gl, hf, lets have some good fights.
YES Itsme	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:47:00 - [329] Macsine you talking total nonsens dont see much things that are correct think you beated the newsreporter nonsens post record
Macsine	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:33:00 - [330] Ok so can I summarize that you learned some things you didn't know before? Like things SA leadership didn't think the grunts need to know ? The Megri incident is here on the boards as well as a thread by Megri himself when he tried to get people to add to his bounty so it became worth collecting on himself in order to get rid of it - of course that was before clone jumps and leaving implants behind. There are also some reasonably dirty remarks around regarding Megri's sheltering by SA, or if you have an alt spy in fix just check their forums there is a fairly lengthy thread about Megri and his new - or not so new ? - friends in SA. The border incidents and alteration of standings are common knowledge (each party to their own interpretation). The X13 war you can check both on eve-o and on their own boards. The FAT campaign should be well-known to all SA. So where was I incorrect in regard of chain of events ? You might not be happy with my wording but it all happened, right then, and it's all here if you care to check. That's a mighty big pile of coincidence and absolutely noone in fix would believe any claims that this wasn't a campaign against fix that was prepared for a long time: the attempt to split fix like in the SE/SA war, Megri's flight into SA space - not a good choice, running to our allies after backstabbing his own alliance, unless... The merc war, timed against SA pushing into fix space. SA allies coming in on the side of SA practically from day 1. The supply of capital ships and poses being ready to be thrown against us. As I said that's a big pile for being mere coincidence. But if - I said IF Megri wasn't your guy in the beginning - then SA paid helluva price for sheltering a turncoat.



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