Originally by: TRIGGER

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Stain cannot be defeated .

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi

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nice post Trigger.

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Originally by: TRIGGER

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with a hammer rather than the toungue

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Originally by: Justus Imperius

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ASCN / Huzzah / Tribal Souls all set u to - standing and closed space to u, You have no hope of winning, lets not forget MC aswell.

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Originally by: Justus Imperius

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Edited by: Justus Imperius on 04/02/2006 21:31:02
With all due respect

With 4 alliances all set + standinsg to each other.

ASCN / Huzzah / Tribal Souls all set u to - standing and closed space to u, You have no hope of winning, lets not forget MC aswell.

I commend you for your words and i wish you the best of luck. But no matter how Valiant or brave SA are, You will fail.

Again with all due respect. For you deserve respect, but with 5 alliances all over your space. You have two choices, surrender, or be annhliated.

Good luck

My thoughts only

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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The news article was totally incorrect about Huzzah, we have not set SA to - or denied them access to our space

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Originally by: Eshtir

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Stay on topic and no politics please.

-Eshtir

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Eshtir

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Stay on topic and no politics please.

-Eshtir

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LOL, isn't this the corp discussion thread?, How can you have no politics???

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: Justus Imperius

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ASCN / Huzzah / Tribal Souls all set u to - standing and closed space to u, You have no hope of winning, lets not forget MC aswell.

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The news article was totally incorrect about Huzzah, we have not set SA to - or denied them access to our space, we tried to get the article updated to no avail. All Huzzah did is not follow the war dec against BoB or join the renewed fighting against FIX.

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No real life politics.

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Originally by: Shamrock

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All I was saying with the cAKe which is in character with a small group of us, Is that I hope we will be back with TRIGGER and enjoy his company again. If you can't see that, I'm at a loss for words. Please put the hammer away. :(

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Originally by: Oveur

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To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Originally by: thebold

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Originally by: Shamrock

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All I was saying with the cAKe which is in character with a small group of us, Is that I hope we will be back with TRIGGER and enjoy his company again. If you can't see that, I'm at a loss for words. Please put the hammer away. :(

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Out of Game everyones a freind

Apart of the game ... a true friend wouldnÆt do this, and when we stand up against this friend because we know the friend is wrong and backup our actions only to be turned on by many former friends in EVE caused by both the result of a friends actions and influence we see something...

Through action has come unclouded vision, how can we truly see goodness when all we now see is a dictatorship that seems to have corrupt alliances and many corporations within EVE through the psychological control and fear.

We are a proud band of fighters that are dedicated to our task in EVE and will be glad to spend it day by day through countless struggle to survive in our home and stand for Stain true, proud and dear for ever and ever more.

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Originally by: Alty McAltalot

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Maybe if...

o IE-EX didn't go shooting the very same people they were trying to nap (Tribal Souls)

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Originally by: Kazim

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Sa sticking it to the man!

Keep it smack free peeps or I'll track you down in rl and wash your mouth with a soap (happened to me, aftertaste is not good).

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Originally by: Thomas Jefferson

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A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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I wish to thank ma bish for trying to resolve the issues we had and they were appreciated .
My friendship for Evolution and their brothers remains however friendship in my eyes is obviously different to yours .

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Originally by: Kujin

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Edited by: Kujin on 04/02/2006 23:47:28

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I wish to thank ma bish for trying to resolve the issues we had and they were appreciated .
My friendship for Evolution and their brothers remains however friendship in my eyes is obviously different to yours .

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yeah there¦s a difference between friendship and licking someone¦s a** trigger...
(personal opinion )

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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Originally by: Kujin

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Edited by: Kujin on 04/02/2006 23:47:28

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I wish to thank ma bish for trying to resolve the issues we had and they were appreciated .
My friendship for Evolution and their brothers remains however friendship in my eyes is obviously different to yours .

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yeah there¦s a difference between friendship and licking someone¦s a** trigger...
(personal opinion )

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Hush, you have no idea what he's talking about.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Stain will be wiped out. Goodbye.

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Originally by: Draximus Cane

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Someone needs to eat more bran :)
Well for us its just another job[/quote

Are you man enough to tell from wich wallets your beein paid, as Molle said it wasn't his

Originally by: Smith

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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You are becomming more of a forum tramp than Thoth!

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Originally by: Loftur sterki

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Originally by: Draximus Cane

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Someone needs to eat more bran :)
Well for us its just another job

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Are you man enough to tell from wich wallets your beein paid, as Molle said it wasn't his

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Andrommeda

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Edited by: Andrommeda on 04/02/2006 23:19:28
narf replied to wrong thread

Andro

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Originally by: Agent Kenshin

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Originally by: Loftur sterki

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Originally by: Draximus Cane

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Someone needs to eat more bran :)
Well for us its just another job

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Are you man enough to tell from wich wallets your beein paid, as Molle said it wasn't his

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If we did then what would be the point of client confidentiality??? Sorry not gonna happen.

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Originally by: Agent Kenshin

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Originally by: Loftur sterki

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Originally by: Draximus Cane

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Someone needs to eat more bran :)
Well for us its just another job

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Are you man enough to tell from wich wallets your beein paid, as Molle said it wasn't his

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If we did then what would be the point of client confidentiality??? Sorry not gonna happen.

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Originally by: Smith

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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You are becomming more of a forum tramp than Thoth!

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I've always been a forum *****, its just ppl dont recognise it cos i got Reverend Necrona banned :(

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Originally by: Smith

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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You are becomming more of a forum tramp than Thoth!

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I've always been a forum *****, its just ppl dont recognise it cos i got Reverend Necrona banned :(

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Originally by: fisho

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Should SA die, of which i am not sure will happen. I just hope that FIX don't try to claim any victory. We have already seen that you can't take SA, and were desperate for a NAP, but now seem to be all for war now every man and his dog is against SA.

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Originally by: Thomas Jefferson

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A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: fisho

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Should SA die, of which i am not sure will happen. I just hope that FIX don't try to claim any victory. We have already seen that you can't take SA, and were desperate for a NAP, but now seem to be all for war now every man and his dog is against SA.

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Erm, fisho - FIX were fighting against 3 times their number - against SA I think it was fairly equal, against SA and friends they certainly did lose some ground - now the boot is on the other foot, and suddenly it's "different"?

Just doesn't compute with me.

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Originally by: Thorny281

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to my old Allies in setenta corp; without roger and Biosourcy you have no problem giving jumping on a bandwagon and betraying do you? No of course not, All the best of STC left and joined evolution didnt they?

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Originally by: dalman

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Edited by: dalman on 05/02/2006 01:28:56

Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: fisho

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Should SA die, of which i am not sure will happen. I just hope that FIX don't try to claim any victory. We have already seen that you can't take SA, and were desperate for a NAP, but now seem to be all for war now every man and his dog is against SA.

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Erm, fisho - FIX were fighting against 3 times their number - against SA I think it was fairly equal, against SA and friends they certainly did lose some ground - now the boot is on the other foot, and suddenly it's "different"?

Just doesn't compute with me.

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Dianabolic, cut the crap.
FIX alliance had higher numbers than SA.
FIX trial corps (doing more fighting than their full members) has surely the same numbers as HF were sending.
TRIAD corps (though only on rare occations in Q) can easily be compared to the KAOS pilots who were there for 1 1/2 week.

FIX weren't outnumbered. Neither in total numbers, nor on the battlefield.
On the contrary, 22 hours a day they outnumbered us in local in both FAT, 9CG and H74. The problem was they spent 21 of these hours at their POSes.
At the same time, some of them showed great dedication; in some battle there were pilots getting new ships from station to die 3 times in one single battle.
The only conclusion is that they lacked alot in leadership. Only when Major Riven (FoFF) were around did they seem to have any organisation at all.

*edit* btw, neither you nor anyone else answered my question about how your signature relates to this situation

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Originally by: Eshtir

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Stay on topic and no politics please.

-Eshtir

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Originally by: Justus Imperius

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Edited by: Justus Imperius on 04/02/2006 21:31:02
With all due respect

With 4 alliances all set + standinsg to each other.

ASCN / Huzzah / Tribal Souls all set u to - standing and closed space to u, You have no hope of winning, lets not forget MC aswell.

I commend you for your words and i wish you the best of luck. But no matter how Valiant or brave SA are, You will fail.

Again with all due respect. For you deserve respect, but with 5 alliances all over your space. You have two choices, surrender, or be annhliated.

Good luck

My thoughts only

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Originally by: Susie Dutra

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ASCN is allready involved. They have been camping/chasing poor SA industrialists all over Esoteria. Doesn't that count?

Give them hell TRIGGER.

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Originally by: Steel Rat

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ASCN Official Statement


Stability in the south has always been our goal. Working with our neighbors to make a strong south has been our priority. SA feels the need to stir the pot, first with FIX and now BoB. Because of these actions, ASCN space is now closed to SA and all allies of SA, this includes the regions of Impass, Feyth. and Esoteria.

If SA would like to take this to the next level with ASCN, you know where to find us.

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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Originally by: dalman

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Dianabolic, cut the crap.
FIX alliance had higher numbers than SA.
FIX trial corps (doing more fighting than their full members) has surely the same numbers as HF were sending.
TRIAD corps (though only on rare occations in Q) can easily be compared to the KAOS pilots who were there for 1 1/2 week.

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Originally by: dalman

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...in some battle there were pilots getting new ships from station to die 3 times in one single battle.

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Originally by: dalman

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*edit* btw, neither you nor anyone else answered my question about how your signature relates to this situation

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Originally by: Thomas Jefferson

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A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

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Originally by: Snake Jankins

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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 04/02/2006 23:41:37
Good luck Stain. Somehow I'd like to see that SA is able to win this, winning = able to defend and keep their territory. Would be a great accomplishment against such a force.
But I'm a bit afraid of your egos after that.

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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I did have some respect for your alliance's willingness to not be told what to do etc. etc. blah blah blah, but;

From your post above does that mean you plan to turn into the new "VC"; flying around in your inty/af/hac wcs-gangs ganking the odd afk miner once every evening? Because from previous posts I actually thought Stain Alliance were looking TO FIGHT.

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Originally by: Oisin

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Seriously. With someone as clear and level headed as Sceartan available, why does SA let Orc A and Trigger do any talking?

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 05/02/2006 04:30:58

Originally by: Oisin

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Seriously. With someone as clear and level headed as Sceartan available, why does SA let Orc A and Trigger do any talking?

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Ego, plain and simple. The sad part for SA is that these multiple wars could have been easily avoided by someone marginally more competent. Its hilarious (and even rather pathetic) to see most of SA now railing on about how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon against them and how its unfair. A number of SA have listed their own version of the chronology of events, but they're missing a key event. Stain sent a fleet to Delve and declared war on BoB, unprovoked. What did you think was going to happen after this, really.

IE-EX is the driving force behind Stain's problems now. Orc A has the diplomatic skills of an angry poodle - looks stupid, and irritates the crap out of everybody. You'll notice, as you look back on the four or five threads on thsi very same topic, the majority of the smacktalk from Stain comes from IE-EX pilots. Coincidence that most of the suprise Delve attack fleet was made up of IE-EX pilots? You connect the dots. Without that initial attack and diplomatic bull****, I'm sure Stain would have a LOT more support in the current conflict then they do now. I vaugely remember flying with Sceartan in the first FIX war, and from what I remember, he's a good guy. It's truly a shame that ego trumps intelligence, I doubt anyone in Eve could disagree that Sceartan would make a better diplomat than Orc A.

What it all really comes down to is that SA has a newfound warmongering streak. They chose to bite off more than they can chew, and even after being offered a way out by Molle, they chose to perpetuate hostilities.

Stain, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

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Originally by: BirdBleed

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SA, you brought this upon yourselves. Nobody is to blame but you. You can cry on the forums all you want but it will not weaken our resolve to destroy you.

How long can you hide in your NPC stations ?

btw expect a new vid soon : a sequal to the "Where have all the good FiX gone" - "Where have ALL the SA gone"

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Originally by: Wizie

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I believe IIRC that the war and fleet

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came after several pages of forum posts from BOB members indicating that SA were now hostile.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 05/02/2006 04:30:58

Originally by: Oisin

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Seriously. With someone as clear and level headed as Sceartan available, why does SA let Orc A and Trigger do any talking?

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Ego, plain and simple. The sad part for SA is that these multiple wars could have been easily avoided by someone marginally more competent. Its hilarious (and even rather pathetic) to see most of SA now railing on about how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon against them and how its unfair. A number of SA have listed their own version of the chronology of events, but they're missing a key event. Stain sent a fleet to Delve and declared war on BoB, unprovoked. What did you think was going to happen after this, really.

IE-EX is the driving force behind Stain's problems now. Orc A has the diplomatic skills of an angry poodle - looks stupid, and irritates the crap out of everybody. You'll notice, as you look back on the four or five threads on thsi very same topic, the majority of the smacktalk from Stain comes from IE-EX pilots. Coincidence that most of the suprise Delve attack fleet was made up of IE-EX pilots? You connect the dots. Without that initial attack and diplomatic bull****, I'm sure Stain would have a LOT more support in the current conflict then they do now. I vaugely remember flying with Sceartan in the first FIX war, and from what I remember, he's a good guy. It's truly a shame that ego trumps intelligence, I doubt anyone in Eve could disagree that Sceartan would make a better diplomat than Orc A.

What it all really comes down to is that SA has a newfound warmongering streak. They chose to bite off more than they can chew, and even after being offered a way out by Molle, they chose to perpetuate hostilities.

Stain, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

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Originally by: Randay

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Originally by: Wizie

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I believe IIRC that the war and fleet

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= hammer.

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came after several pages of forum posts from BOB members indicating that SA were now hostile.

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= tongue.

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Originally by: Unleashed

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So if we hadnt send a fleet to BOB we would have had more support for what exactly? By your reasoning, there wouldnt have been a war at all. If you had a clue, there was more to it.

Its interesting to see such a vested interest you have all taken in this considering you arent fix or bob, but merely some pathetic attention troll trying to get his claim to fame on the boards.

Really, desperation to make us look bad just oozes from your posts and its quite sad.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Edited by: Grimpak on 05/02/2006 02:02:04

Originally by: Susie Dutra

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ASCN is allready involved. They have been camping/chasing poor SA industrialists all over Esoteria. Doesn't that count?

Give them hell TRIGGER.

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Originally by: Steel Rat

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ASCN Official Statement


Stability in the south has always been our goal. Working with our neighbors to make a strong south has been our priority. SA feels the need to stir the pot, first with FIX and now BoB. Because of these actions, ASCN space is now closed to SA and all allies of SA, this includes the regions of Impass, Feyth. and Esoteria.

If SA would like to take this to the next level with ASCN, you know where to find us.

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SA doesn't own anything in Esoteria. They come thru our part of Esoteria, we kill them. Not Blue KOS policy is enforced in ASCN space, INCLUDED Esoteria.

That said SA is neutral to us, thus we only kill them if they enter in our space (or if they pop up in the north but that's a diferent issue alltogether). Now stop stirring the pot and ***** the forums a bit more for facts.


And Justus Imperius, we didn't set SA to negative, we setted them to neutral.

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Good Luck Stain.

BoB and FIX may of had their reasons for fighting u, but all others who are hopping on the bandwagon ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Originally by: Seldarine

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I was in Curse Alliance for pretty much the entire time it was alive, and that entire time we fought SA most of the time outnumbering them and occupying their space.

SA still stood strong then and they still stand strong now. The force that was CA in its prime make the entire forces that are laying seige to Stain now look like a dissorganised alt corp in comparison.

This recent conflict will not bring SA to its knees but will only strengthen its resolve. I laugh at the ppl in this thread who cannot see this.

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What did you think was going to happen when you pushed it too far? BoB were just going to sit back and let you roll into Querious uncontested?s

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there was no plan for them to get involved militarily on either side of the war

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I think SA have singlehandedly proved to be the most idiotic alliance in Eve. Seriously, you got hostile with FIX for whatever reason and brought in Huzzah and Kaos.

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Originally by: Unleashed

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It was never about 'stability', second time this has happened and just like before Bob stepped in when Fix' home turf was going to be taken over. If Bob was truly concerned about southern stability they would have intervened the moment fix set us to neutral.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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A number of SA have listed their own version of the chronology of events, but they're missing a key event. Stain sent a fleet to Delve and declared war on BoB, unprovoked. What did you think was going to happen after this, really.

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Stain sent a fleet to Delve and declared war on BoB, unprovoked.

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Originally by: Randay

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TBH, if bob had stepped in super early(when fix set sa to neutral) then fix really would be bobs slave, or in the opposite case, fix would have probably been very offended. Like when two of your friends start arguing over something stupid, do you really just jump in there like youre thier mom? or do you give them a chance to work things out. If the arguement turns into a fist fight, you jump in there and try to stop it, how do you do that? You pull the bigger guy off the smaller one. What if one of them takes a swing at you? Well...

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Originally by: dfhsfghf

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You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally by: Susie Dutra

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Edited by: Grimpak on 05/02/2006 02:02:04

Originally by: Susie Dutra

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ASCN is allready involved. They have been camping/chasing poor SA industrialists all over Esoteria. Doesn't that count?

Give them hell TRIGGER.

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Originally by: Steel Rat

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ASCN Official Statement


Stability in the south has always been our goal. Working with our neighbors to make a strong south has been our priority. SA feels the need to stir the pot, first with FIX and now BoB. Because of these actions, ASCN space is now closed to SA and all allies of SA, this includes the regions of Impass, Feyth. and Esoteria.

If SA would like to take this to the next level with ASCN, you know where to find us.

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SA doesn't own anything in Esoteria. They come thru our part of Esoteria, we kill them. Not Blue KOS policy is enforced in ASCN space, INCLUDED Esoteria.

That said SA is neutral to us, thus we only kill them if they enter in our space (or if they pop up in the north but that's a diferent issue alltogether). Now stop stirring the pot and ***** the forums a bit more for facts.


And Justus Imperius, we didn't set SA to negative, we setted them to neutral.

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You can set us to nuetral with "in game mecahnics" but when you camp us in stations, Its seen as hostile, not nuetral. And its not forgotten.

Keep backpeddling.

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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Originally by: dfhsfghf

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You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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I did have some respect for your alliance's willingness to not be told what to do etc. etc. blah blah blah, but;

From your post above does that mean you plan to turn into the new "VC"; flying around in your inty/af/hac wcs-gangs ganking the odd afk miner once every evening? Because from previous posts I actually thought Stain Alliance were looking TO FIGHT.

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Now, everybody from FIX , BOB , EXORU , TRIBE , ASCN are wrong and SA is right ...

Second , for all of you who keep run your mouth about how TRIBE betrayed SA in the G/IRON war , get a clue , i have failed yet to see most of you who flame us beeing in a gang defend SA space .

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Originally by: Sceartan

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Now, everybody from FIX , BOB , EXORU , TRIBE , ASCN are wrong and SA is right ...

Second , for all of you who keep run your mouth about how TRIBE betrayed SA in the G/IRON war , get a clue , i have failed yet to see most of you who flame us beeing in a gang defend SA space .

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I'm also confused as to how Tribal betrayed Stain during the G/IRON war, considering Tribal wasn't created and we still all flew under the same alliance name. But as for the end of the war at that time, the terms although surprising, were within reason and were accepted on behalf of SA. So no-one betrayed anyone, before now.

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Originally by: Orc A

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Stain sent a fleet to Delve and declared war on BoB, unprovoked.

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Just because you aren't aware of the "provoking" doesnt mean it never happened.
You are not an eve-global information hub.
stfu and mind your buisness plz.

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Originally by: Thomas Jefferson

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A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

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Originally by: TRIGGER

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Today talks ceased .
I openly state that from today I will not re-enter talks with either FIX nor will I talk to Tribal Souls alliance today or at any point in the future .
Both said alliances will remain enemies until such time are defeated totally .

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Whilst the border incidents and the tactical weight of the region played an important part in deteriorating relations between both parties, Pebbledasher thinks that the Stain- Alliance "covets FIX territory", going even further to say that, "their avarice has lead ... to initiate, what in their minds always was, an acquisitive conflict." This allegation is not completely refuted by Orc A, who justifies their action: "It's time for more cooperative members to reside in Querious", with the long term objective being the complete termination of the Firmus Ixion alliance.

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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi

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/me flames TS

/me has been in plenty of gangs defending SA space.

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Originally by: Troubadour

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Edited by: Troubadour on 05/02/2006 10:56:08

Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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I did have some respect for your alliance's willingness to not be told what to do etc. etc. blah blah blah, but;

From your post above does that mean you plan to turn into the new "VC"; flying around in your inty/af/hac wcs-gangs ganking the odd afk miner once every evening? Because from previous posts I actually thought Stain Alliance were looking TO FIGHT.

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If by fight you mean sit on the station with an 8 man BS fleet because an inty fleet came into local then yes they are out to fight.

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Originally by: Sceartan

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I'm also confused as to how Tribal betrayed Stain during the G/IRON war, considering Tribal wasn't created and we still all flew under the same alliance name. But as for the end of the war at that time, the terms although surprising, were within reason and were accepted on behalf of SA. So no-one betrayed anyone, before now.

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Originally by: Elendar

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First fix set you to neutral so you invade
Next bob, who live 2 regions away, set you to neutral and you try and invade.

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Originally by: Treacle Shazboat

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Trying to buy from the market. The buy window is blank. Try to send a petition dropped me to the desktop.

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Originally by: Sceartan

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Now, everybody from FIX , BOB , EXORU , TRIBE , ASCN are wrong and SA is right ...

Second , for all of you who keep run your mouth about how TRIBE betrayed SA in the G/IRON war , get a clue , i have failed yet to see most of you who flame us beeing in a gang defend SA space .

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I'm also confused as to how Tribal betrayed Stain during the G/IRON war, considering Tribal wasn't created and we still all flew under the same alliance name. But as for the end of the war at that time, the terms although surprising, were within reason and were accepted on behalf of SA. So no-one betrayed anyone, before now.

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Yea sceartan maybe some of the SA have a clue about what happend there, maybe the bold <3 will let you know guys what really happend at that time.
I can only speak for myself now , with every single SA beeing crocky about tribe and about how much of a miners we are and how much we suk roids and how much we betrayed SA in the G / IRON war never helped to get a really friendly relationship .

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: Troubadour

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Edited by: Troubadour on 05/02/2006 10:56:08

Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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I did have some respect for your alliance's willingness to not be told what to do etc. etc. blah blah blah, but;

we had 12, they had 8 BS. we've raped 15 man inty fleets with 5 BS before fitted with frig guns. suicide my a$$
From your post above does that mean you plan to turn into the new "VC"; flying around in your inty/af/hac wcs-gangs ganking the odd afk miner once every evening? Because from previous posts I actually thought Stain Alliance were looking TO FIGHT.

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If by fight you mean sit on the station with an 8 man BS fleet because an inty fleet came into local then yes they are out to fight.

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"Fighting" an inty fleet in BS only would be stupid if they dont have the appropriate fitting at hand. The BS would get slaughtered.

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Originally by: Unleashed

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Then:

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I think SA have singlehandedly proved to be the most idiotic alliance in Eve. Seriously, you got hostile with FIX for whatever reason and brought in Huzzah and Kaos.

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So, lets say I believe you(which I dont but lets just assume so) when you said you were going to declare war on us to relieve boredom. You would get hostile with us for even though Molle wanted stability with all southern entities(and prior to us declaring, wasnt considering using military force at all)? Surely if Bob were only going to go through diplomacy why would you guys want to further confuse things?

You are just trying to run along with the big boys. I bet you never would have declared if we werent at war with Bob.

It was never about 'stability', second time this has happened and just like before Bob stepped in when Fix' home turf was going to be taken over. If Bob was truly concerned about southern stability they would have intervened the moment fix set us to neutral.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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As for southern stability, SA have no right to speak about how anyone else should have intervened or how it should have been done. Is BoB is your mother? DO I need to mention the number of times in the past six months that SA has been the single cause of destabilization?

Off the top of my head:
a) Coalition declares war on FIX, takes Catch
b) TRIGGER and MASS attempt to usurp authority from Stain Empire, form the legendary STAIN ALLAINCE, and break apart the second largest alliance in eve at the time.
c) SA starts another war with FIX

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Originally by: Kantar

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Good luck Trig and Co.

But on a personal note :

Why MC as been hired for this war as well ??

I thought the honorable thing to do is sort it out the part involve and keep the rest out of it.

Two Alliance v One and involving Merc as well is a bit low,
I hope whoever hiried MC will reconsider and bring a clean fight to them.

There is a quote that come to mind reading all this :

Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.

This are my 50 pence.

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Originally by: Krenshaw

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Krenshaw, Stain- Alliance

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No need to defend our territory. If anyone thinks this is the first time aggressors have occupied Stain proper they are nubs. I can count at least two other times. We will fight until you all get bored and go home then we will come back and reoccupy the space which Sansha's Nation ownes and maintains for us.

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I did have some respect for your alliance's willingness to not be told what to do etc. etc. blah blah blah, but;

From your post above does that mean you plan to turn into the new "VC"; flying around in your inty/af/hac wcs-gangs ganking the odd afk miner once every evening? Because from previous posts I actually thought Stain Alliance were looking TO FIGHT.

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Of course we look to fight as we always have. I merely state the fact that even if aggressors manage to occupy Stain space we will simply fight until we win or thier attentions get pulled elsewhere and then destroy any remaining hostiles. Respect that is gained from the forums is seldom true or long lasting.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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The point I was making is that numerous times in the past six months, SA have been a destabilizing force in the south - a track record that overshadows anyone else. For SA to harp on about stability is really just hypocritical and silly.

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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MC id just like to say... smack aside(those that really had chance to talk and have fun know wassup) i understand you keep it simple and have contract.. nothing on you guys at all. See you on the field and you make it fun :). again anyone offended or taken local fun to heart ,holla... ill direct to others :)

Best to all... dont take local so personal IEEX dont care and love the fun. (cant speak for other SA)

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Quote:

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[09:41:20] Kamikaze1 > shrike
[09:41:29] Kamikaze1 > i meet u in rl dude
[09:41:35] Kamikaze1 > and then ....
[09:41:40] Kamikaze1 > muhahahahha
[09:41:42] Shrike > And then?
[09:42:10] Kamikaze1 >
[09:42:17] Shrike > Im waiting, and then?
[09:42:44] Kamikaze1 > na u write petitions
[09:42:54] Shrike > Not at all, no petition.
[09:43:06] Kamikaze1 > really
[09:43:33] Kamikaze1 > muhahah
[09:43:44] Shrike > Im interested as to see what kinda maturity level you actually have.
[09:44:08] Kamikaze1 > u never know
[09:44:41] Shrike > Was hoping this was more then teens with too many hormons.
[09:44:48] Shrike > But i guess not.
[09:44:48] Kamikaze1 > it is
[09:45:17] Kamikaze1 > how old are u little one ?
[09:45:40] Shrike > lol, take your a/sl/l elsewhere dude.
[09:45:49] Kamikaze1 > o.0
[09:45:56] Kamikaze1 > u ****ed ?
[09:46:02] Kamikaze1 > come on
[09:46:16] Kamikaze1 > i ♥ u
[09:47:26] Kamikaze1 > so u want to surrender ?

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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we all have logs of local chat that are funny.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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we all have logs of local chat that are funny.

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Thats not really funny. It's pathetic.

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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we all have logs of local chat that are funny.

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Thats not really funny. It's pathetic.

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huh? pathetic i have logs of enemy acting .. um not exactly honorable. i guess your one to take local fun to heart... im sorry... ill be sure to not offend you specificly in local

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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huh? pathetic i have logs of enemy acting .. um not exactly honorable. i guess your one to take local fun to heart... im sorry... ill be sure to not offend you specificly in local

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Originally by: Sylic

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Edited by: Sylic on 05/02/2006 16:47:38
Rutoo you know nothing of what you talk about..
You do not know why we jumped in the fight.

We declared for much deeper reasons than anyone knows.
So please keep making an a** of your self talking about what you know nothing of..

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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Molle/Shrike if people are offended .. like yourself ,even tho you say in chat you can take in fun and can handle/wont petition even tho your making it obvious you really do take it personal... report it if you cant take it. Its your right to report what offends you even if you say in chat you can take it.

im not flaming at all... if anyone cant take it when i verbaly fight in local just say so.. ill leave you be.. thats it. if i fail to comply report it.

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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Molle thats fine... whatever you want to take serious... but i know others enjoy and are happy to jest back and forth.

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Originally by: Rutoo

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There where many reasons for the first SA Braking into TRIBE and PRIME,

One was the lack of support when G came down, STC did bring up people from paragon often, While the northern parts of stain didn't.
When we did get alot of people together, from what i was told bad Management of the fleet was the doom,

There was no Hard Feelings when SA Split, they knew the reasons and they where still consindered friends.

The Real Reason why tribe decided to backstab, and join the bandwaggon is unknown.
becuase TRIBE doesn't at all use the Stain Route, Mostly though BoB Space, to A2-. TRIBE leadership wasn't looking after thier Allience, they where looking after what BOB was doing, they have no reason for going up to SA space,

Mind you TRIBE is alot different from when it first formed, After Aberina Overlord left, or even before that, there was internal issues and bickering, but thats nothing to get into, but it gives an idea on why all the main STC folks left to create a new corp.

But now the TRIBE leadership are a bunch of stuck up b*, and i hope Paragon is cleansed of these people,

I wish SA the best of luck during these times.

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Originally by: Shrike

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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MC id just like to say... smack aside(those that really had chance to talk and have fun know wassup) i understand you keep it simple and have contract.. nothing on you guys at all. See you on the field and you make it fun :). again anyone offended or taken local fun to heart ,holla... ill direct to others :)

Best to all... dont take local so personal IEEX dont care and love the fun. (cant speak for other SA)

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Yes, IE-EX sure does love their local.

Quote:

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[09:41:20] Kamikaze1 > shrike
[09:41:29] Kamikaze1 > i meet u in rl dude
[09:41:35] Kamikaze1 > and then ....
[09:41:40] Kamikaze1 > muhahahahha
[09:41:42] Shrike > And then?
[09:42:10] Kamikaze1 >
[09:42:17] Shrike > Im waiting, and then?
[09:42:44] Kamikaze1 > na u write petitions
[09:42:54] Shrike > Not at all, no petition.
[09:43:06] Kamikaze1 > really
[09:43:33] Kamikaze1 > muhahah
[09:43:44] Shrike > Im interested as to see what kinda maturity level you actually have.
[09:44:08] Kamikaze1 > u never know
[09:44:41] Shrike > Was hoping this was more then teens with too many hormons.
[09:44:48] Shrike > But i guess not.
[09:44:48] Kamikaze1 > it is
[09:45:17] Kamikaze1 > how old are u little one ?
[09:45:40] Shrike > lol, take your a/sl/l elsewhere dude.
[09:45:49] Kamikaze1 > o.0
[09:45:56] Kamikaze1 > u ****ed ?
[09:46:02] Kamikaze1 > come on
[09:46:16] Kamikaze1 > i ♥ u
[09:47:26] Kamikaze1 > so u want to surrender ?

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Kind of cute really.

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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Molle thats fine... whatever you want to take serious... but i know others enjoy and are happy to jest back and forth.

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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy

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Nothing like a good ol' bit of 'banter' in the local channel

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Originally by: Shrike

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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Molle/Shrike if people are offended .. like yourself ,even tho you say in chat you can take in fun and can handle/wont petition even tho your making it obvious you really do take it personal... report it if you cant take it. Its your right to report what offends you even if you say in chat you can take it.

im not flaming at all... if anyone cant take it when i verbaly fight in local just say so.. ill leave you be.. thats it. if i fail to comply report it.

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Quite true, i will not petition it, i will name and shame instead. Works way better.

Offended? Not one bit. Dream on. Pathetic? Yes.

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Quote:

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However, your local talk is just trash. Posting killmails and the like is lame and extremely childish. Grow up

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Acting like a twelve year old in local is reserved for Counterstrike and World of Warcraft, and the Teletubbies' Great Adventure.

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Originally by: Oveur

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To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: SLIM

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Acting like a twelve year old in local is reserved for Counterstrike and World of Warcraft, and the Teletubbies' Great Adventure.

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Teletubbies' Great Adventure? When's the beta open up!?

Seriously, though. Stain, you can't expect to win this one. At best, you'll have to hide out in your stations for a few months until we all go away.

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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy

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Nothing like a good ol' bit of 'banter' in the local channel

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Quote:

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[19:22:50] Gardiner > 50k out dude
[19:22:54] Gardiner > mabye next time
[19:23:03] Tiki Rar > go go gadget block
[19:30:07] MrTriggerHappy > MUHAHAHA
[19:30:39] Tweety Bird > here block this you f-tard (_!_)

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Originally by: Sylic

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Edited by: Sylic on 05/02/2006 16:47:38
Rutoo you know nothing of what you talk about..
You do not know why we jumped in the fight.

We declared for much deeper reasons than anyone knows.
So please keep making an a** of your self talking about what you know nothing of..

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Originally by: Sarigar Shunn

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Dianabolic, I know this is off topic, but your sig is actually a Benjamin Franklin quote.

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Originally by: Thomas Jefferson

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A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy

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Nothing like a good ol' bit of 'banter' in the local channel

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This is from Agil local, today. Banter eh?

Quote:

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[19:22:50] Gardiner > 50k out dude
[19:22:54] Gardiner > mabye next time
[19:23:03] Tiki Rar > go go gadget block
[19:30:07] MrTriggerHappy > MUHAHAHA
[19:30:39] Tweety Bird > here block this you f-tard (_!_)

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Really SA, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Get rid of IE-EX, and you'll get rid of half of your problems. This is my last post on the subject of smacktalk, nothing more needs to be said.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy

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Nothing like a good ol' bit of 'banter' in the local channel

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This is from Agil local, today. Banter eh?

Quote:

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[19:22:50] Gardiner > 50k out dude
[19:22:54] Gardiner > mabye next time
[19:23:03] Tiki Rar > go go gadget block
[19:30:07] MrTriggerHappy > MUHAHAHA
[19:30:39] Tweety Bird > here block this you f-tard (_!_)

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Really SA, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Get rid of IE-EX, and you'll get rid of half of your problems. This is my last post on the subject of smacktalk, nothing more needs to be said.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Originally by: Kantar

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Good luck Trig and Co.

But on a personal note :

Why MC as been hired for this war as well ??

I thought the honorable thing to do is sort it out the part involve and keep the rest out of it.

Two Alliance v One and involving Merc as well is a bit low,
I hope whoever hiried MC will reconsider and bring a clean fight to them.

There is a quote that come to mind reading all this :

Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.

This are my 50 pence.

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We were hired, in part, for our large capital fleet to destroy hostile POS in FAT-6P. Yesterday we took 6 hostile Large towers into reinforced mode and have finished off 4 as of this moment. The remaining 2 will soon be taken out aswell

The empire war is always an accompaniment to one of our contracts and we rarely take a contract without an empire war as that is one of our bigger strengths.

The reasons, the whos, the whys etc are of little consequence to us and your definition of honour (i.e. fair fights) does not enter into ours. We are paid to do a job, and a job we will do. Why you consider someone hiring us for a specific job as "a bit low" is beyond me. Someone wanted something to doing. We are here to do it

Thanks

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Originally by: Kantar

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Edited by: Kantar on 05/02/2006 21:14:08

Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Originally by: Kantar

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Good luck Trig and Co.

But on a personal note :

Why MC as been hired for this war as well ??

I thought the honorable thing to do is sort it out the part involve and keep the rest out of it.

Two Alliance v One and involving Merc as well is a bit low,
I hope whoever hiried MC will reconsider and bring a clean fight to them.

There is a quote that come to mind reading all this :

Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.

This are my 50 pence.

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We were hired, in part, for our large capital fleet to destroy hostile POS in FAT-6P. Yesterday we took 6 hostile Large towers into reinforced mode and have finished off 4 as of this moment. The remaining 2 will soon be taken out aswell

The empire war is always an accompaniment to one of our contracts and we rarely take a contract without an empire war as that is one of our bigger strengths.

The reasons, the whos, the whys etc are of little consequence to us and your definition of honour (i.e. fair fights) does not enter into ours. We are paid to do a job, and a job we will do. Why you consider someone hiring us for a specific job as "a bit low" is beyond me. Someone wanted something to doing. We are here to do it

Thanks

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I hope you understand what I mean by "low"......
not that someone hired you, but bcose with 2 alliance agaist 1 shouldnt have had the "need" for hired guns.
Nothing to do with MC ( could have been any other merc corp) was only for the fact that the honorable thing to do is to give them a change of a fair fight.

I guess thats not the case.....pity...

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Originally by: Shrike

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Yes, IE-EX sure does love their local.

Quote:

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[09:41:20] Kamikaze1 > shrike
[09:41:29] Kamikaze1 > i meet u in rl dude
[09:41:35] Kamikaze1 > and then ....
[09:41:40] Kamikaze1 > muhahahahha
[09:41:42] Shrike > And then?
[09:42:10] Kamikaze1 >
[09:42:17] Shrike > Im waiting, and then?
[09:42:44] Kamikaze1 > na u write petitions
[09:42:54] Shrike > Not at all, no petition.
[09:43:06] Kamikaze1 > really
[09:43:33] Kamikaze1 > muhahah
[09:43:44] Shrike > Im interested as to see what kinda maturity level you actually have.
[09:44:08] Kamikaze1 > u never know
[09:44:41] Shrike > Was hoping this was more then teens with too many hormons.
[09:44:48] Shrike > But i guess not.
[09:44:48] Kamikaze1 > it is
[09:45:17] Kamikaze1 > how old are u little one ?
[09:45:40] Shrike > lol, take your a/sl/l elsewhere dude.
[09:45:49] Kamikaze1 > o.0
[09:45:56] Kamikaze1 > u ****ed ?
[09:46:02] Kamikaze1 > come on
[09:46:16] Kamikaze1 > i ♥ u
[09:47:26] Kamikaze1 > so u want to surrender ?

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Kind of cute really.

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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I rly rly have to ask my alliance mates for the chatlogs of several Exuro Members horrid smacktalking

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Originally by: Kantar

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I hope you understand what I mean by "low"......
not that someone hired you, but bcose with 2 alliance agaist 1 shouldnt have had the "need" for hired guns.
Nothing to do with MC ( could have been any other merc corp) was only for the fact that the honorable thing to do is to give them a change of a fair fight.

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Originally by: Karnov

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This behaviour is disgusting, what's almost as bad is IE-EX and SA condone such behaviour.

And yes they do condone it because he's still in the Corp and Alliance and their only comment on the matter is to brush it off. I used to have some respect for SA, won't be making that mistake again.

You want to ride out the storm? Check out how the others faired with that idea, they're now reduced to parisitical alliances of inconsequence.

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Yea sceartan maybe some of the SA have a clue about what happend there, maybe the bold <3 will let you know guys what really happend at that time.
I can only speak for myself now , with every single SA beeing crocky about tribe and about how much of a miners we are and how much we suk roids and how much we betrayed SA in the G / IRON war never helped to get a really friendly relationship .

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Originally by: Shrike

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Originally by: HellsRazor

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MC id just like to say... smack aside(those that really had chance to talk and have fun know wassup) i understand you keep it simple and have contract.. nothing on you guys at all. See you on the field and you make it fun :). again anyone offended or taken local fun to heart ,holla... ill direct to others :)

Best to all... dont take local so personal IEEX dont care and love the fun. (cant speak for other SA)

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Yes, IE-EX sure does love their local.

Quote:

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[09:41:20] Kamikaze1 > shrike
[09:41:29] Kamikaze1 > i meet u in rl dude
[09:41:35] Kamikaze1 > and then ....
[09:41:40] Kamikaze1 > muhahahahha
[09:41:42] Shrike > And then?
[09:42:10] Kamikaze1 >
[09:42:17] Shrike > Im waiting, and then?
[09:42:44] Kamikaze1 > na u write petitions
[09:42:54] Shrike > Not at all, no petition.
[09:43:06] Kamikaze1 > really
[09:43:33] Kamikaze1 > muhahah
[09:43:44] Shrike > Im interested as to see what kinda maturity level you actually have.
[09:44:08] Kamikaze1 > u never know
[09:44:41] Shrike > Was hoping this was more then teens with too many hormons.
[09:44:48] Shrike > But i guess not.
[09:44:48] Kamikaze1 > it is
[09:45:17] Kamikaze1 > how old are u little one ?
[09:45:40] Shrike > lol, take your a/sl/l elsewhere dude.
[09:45:49] Kamikaze1 > o.0
[09:45:56] Kamikaze1 > u ****ed ?
[09:46:02] Kamikaze1 > come on
[09:46:16] Kamikaze1 > i ♥ u
[09:47:26] Kamikaze1 > so u want to surrender ?

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Kind of cute really.

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Originally by: Emily Black

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I can understand the motives of the bob lackys, but tbh tribal souls made a critical error, since they are a soft target with much to lose, stain isn't going anywhere and when IRON/G attack bob and and BoB is forced to turn its attention to its homeland, where do you think a very battle hardend stain is going to turn?

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Originally by: Foomanshoe

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My personal opinion

I dont see how SA didnt see Tribes making this stance. We were content to let you fight FIX, mostly because we felt we were allies with both of you pretty closely. FIX helped us in the G/IRON war and most of us used to be in SA. However when you declared on Bob and EM, you made it 1 ally against 3 allies.

You brought the fight from catch, to querious and delve, completely cutting off both our access points to empire with a very large warzone.

And to add to it, most of SA have never once respected the members of tribal souls. When we were in SA we got told we were carebears even while we were in fleets fighting G. (i have a chat log of a MASS person lecturing us about how we have to fight while she was in empire and we were currently in a gang fighting G). When we left SA said publically said we were just the fat and good riddens. And when we could no longer remain neutral SA said we were carebears and we could go screw ourselves.

Still though, alot of Tribes guys didnt like shooting old friends, and we were in talks with TRIGGER about pulling out of the war. SA used the talks and our temperary cease-fire while the talks went on to send a gang down to paragon to attack us. Thats why the talks ended.

If the only way for a mutual respect to form is through good old combat, then take the battle off the forums and onto eve. Tribals has a good reputation of being smack free. When we fight IMP and G and VC and SE, i think there are very few incidences of us smacktalking in-game or on the forums.

Im sorry that you feel betrayed.

See you in space.

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Originally by: Reiken Moisark

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So SA brings unlimited warfare (meaning all resources and all friends) to FIX in FAT, gets too big for their britches and decides Querious is on the menu (I have doubts they could have ever wrangled Querious from FIX, that's a different ball of wax altogether).

SA thinks their e-peen is massive and decides to attack BOB at the same time.

Now FIX and BOB brings unlimited warfare (meaning all resources and all friends) to SA and SA calls foul.

GG

Face it, you entered an e-peen measuring contest with the wrong folks this time Orc A. Can't say it's a bad thing, SA had their day. It was three days after CA died.

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Originally by: CopeLand

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after intelligence reports indicated bob was gonna wardec sa in few hours, a pre-strike was launched.

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Originally by: CopeLand

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Originally by: Foomanshoe

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My personal opinion

I dont see how SA didnt see Tribes making this stance. We were content to let you fight FIX, mostly because we felt we were allies with both of you pretty closely. FIX helped us in the G/IRON war and most of us used to be in SA. However when you declared on Bob and EM, you made it 1 ally against 3 allies.

You brought the fight from catch, to querious and delve, completely cutting off both our access points to empire with a very large warzone.

And to add to it, most of SA have never once respected the members of tribal souls. When we were in SA we got told we were carebears even while we were in fleets fighting G. (i have a chat log of a MASS person lecturing us about how we have to fight while she was in empire and we were currently in a gang fighting G). When we left SA said publically said we were just the fat and good riddens. And when we could no longer remain neutral SA said we were carebears and we could go screw ourselves.

Still though, alot of Tribes guys didnt like shooting old friends, and we were in talks with TRIGGER about pulling out of the war. SA used the talks and our temperary cease-fire while the talks went on to send a gang down to paragon to attack us. Thats why the talks ended.

If the only way for a mutual respect to form is through good old combat, then take the battle off the forums and onto eve. Tribals has a good reputation of being smack free. When we fight IMP and G and VC and SE, i think there are very few incidences of us smacktalking in-game or on the forums.

Im sorry that you feel betrayed.

See you in space.

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1)tribals concerns in this matter were nonexistant
if they had standings to fix, bob, and sa, what do they care if they have to pass through

tribal choose to enter this, whatever their reasons

2)some if not all tribal corps are old sa corps
they left sa to protect their outpost and southern complexes and got a nap with g or some sort of a deal, they bailed out of that war

naturally at the time, some ppl were bound to react to this, some in negative manner

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well no matter what intellegence we may or may not had, the thread made by orc a didnt help matters, when you see several bob members asking fix and tiad to gang them..its natural to assume that it is on bobs agenda to attack us, even with denials futher on its safer to think that some one had let the cat out of the bag to early rather than bob will not attack.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Stain will be wiped out. Goodbye.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Stain will be wiped out. Goodbye.

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well no matter what intellegence we may or may not had, the thread made by orc a didnt help matters, when you see several bob members asking fix and tiad to gang them..its natural to assume that it is on bobs agenda to attack us, even with denials futher on its safer to think that some one had let the cat out of the bag to early rather than bob will not attack.

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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well no matter what intellegence we may or may not had, the thread made by orc a didnt help matters, when you see several bob members asking fix and tiad to gang them..its natural to assume that it is on bobs agenda to attack us, even with denials futher on its safer to think that some one had let the cat out of the bag to early rather than bob will not attack.

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Well Dantes I know you probably wont belive me but the thread your talking about that was started by Orc A was the thread I replied in, after this Dianabolic replied "Gang me" to me. Now the bit you might not belive, Diana and me did not talk about anything, there were no discussions between the Traid and BOB as regards SA, FIX and BOB maybe but the Traid did not talk to BOB.

Much as you and some of the other stainers would like to think that The Traid work for FIX, we dont, So Diana replying to me in the thread was a Joke! nothing more and if you and Stain could see that then maybe you would not have made the blunder that BOB were going to attack with FIX, Again I will state The Traid are not FIX alts, I have 30 Million sp, belive me if this Character is a alt I would love to see how many SP my main has :)

And before Masta killa says it again "yes I am a FIX alt" getting old......

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out of SA since this began, and I surely can't see you guys, given our history, buying into a preemptive the way it was done

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Well Dantes I know you probably wont belive me but the thread your talking about that was started by Orc A was the thread I replied in, after this Dianabolic replied "Gang me" to me. Now the bit you might not belive, Diana and me did not talk about anything, there were no discussions between the Traid and BOB as regards SA, FIX and BOB maybe but the Traid did not talk to BOB.

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Signed...

And may Tribal Souls die... their betrayal will never be forgotten by any real SA and they are now SA's number one enemy.

Other entities might just consider if what SA did was smth different they would have done in the same situation before jumping on the Boobs wagon.

FIX make us KOS
We attack FIX
We beat FIX
We get given crap by other alliance formerly friendly.
We stand up for out honour and our members
We stand tall but alone.

Just remember that most of SA has been in this game a long time and know how these things work and Stain is a big place.

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out of SA since this began, and I surely can't see you guys, given our history, buying into a preemptive the way it was done

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i didnt say i agreed with what was done mate, quite the opposit and i made my opinions quite clear on the matter internaly..but i do understand how that decision could of been made and what could of lead to many people in SA to expect and inement(sp?) attack of BOB. But now the situation has happned i will support the alliance in every way i can, and hope that in due time a sensible solution will be found.

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Well Dantes I know you probably wont belive me but the thread your talking about that was started by Orc A was the thread I replied in, after this Dianabolic replied "Gang me" to me. Now the bit you might not belive, Diana and me did not talk about anything, there were no discussions between the Traid and BOB as regards SA, FIX and BOB maybe but the Traid did not talk to BOB.

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i did not mean to imply some pre arranged scheme mindless, what i was pointing out was a high profile BOB member asking to gang with people stating their intention to attack SA..that would be enough to make any one expect a attack..expetionly taking into account the situation at hand.

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Should SA die, of which i am not sure will happen. I just hope that FIX don't try to claim any victory. We have already seen that you can't take SA, and were desperate for a NAP, but now seem to be all for war now every man and his dog is against SA.

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i didnt say i agreed with what was done mate, quite the opposit and i made my opinions quite clear on the matter internaly..but i do understand how that decision could of been made and what could of lead to many people in SA to expect and inement(sp?) attack of BOB. But now the situation has happned i will support the alliance in every way i can, and hope that in due time a sensible solution will be found.

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Should SA die, of which i am not sure will happen. I just hope that FIX don't try to claim any victory. We have already seen that you can't take SA, and were desperate for a NAP, but now seem to be all for war now every man and his dog is against SA.

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Erm, fisho - FIX were fighting against 3 times their number - against SA I think it was fairly equal, against SA and friends they certainly did lose some ground - now the boot is on the other foot, and suddenly it's "different"?

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Dianabolic, cut the crap.
FIX alliance had higher numbers than SA.
FIX trial corps (doing more fighting than their full members) has surely the same numbers as HF were sending.
TRIAD corps (though only on rare occations in Q) can easily be compared to the KAOS pilots who were there for 1 1/2 week.

FIX weren't outnumbered. Neither in total numbers, nor on the battlefield.
On the contrary, 22 hours a day they outnumbered us in local in both FAT, 9CG and H74. The problem was they spent 21 of these hours at their POSes.
At the same time, some of them showed great dedication; in some battle there were pilots getting new ships from station to die 3 times in one single battle.
The only conclusion is that they lacked alot in leadership. Only when Major Riven (FoFF) were around did they seem to have any organisation at all.

*edit* btw, neither you nor anyone else answered my question about how your signature relates to this situation

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