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Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 127	Posted - 2013.10.29 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote Since we've had some time to play with the new HACs what verdict have people arrived at? Personally the cerb feels a little underwhelming but the deimos feels good. Haven't tried an eagle since the rebalance but doubt that it was improved very much. Also does anyone have a good cerb fit? I can't form one that I'm satisfied with. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread --- Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3503687&#post3503687 ----á for FW rebalance in 2013
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 530	Posted - 2013.10.29 03:06:00 - [2] - Quote Deimos is a blast to fly, Cerb is excellent in small gangs with RLMLs fitted, the Ishtar is a fantastic sentry-kiter, and the Vaga can do some cool things. Don't know much about the others. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3558	Posted - 2013.10.29 03:45:00 - [3] - Quote The Sacrilege and Zealot are the same as they always have been... except the Sac has been buffed a bit making it just a bit more effective in small brawling scenarios. And the Ishtar... mmm... very flexible and worth having in any small gang. It can brawl with the best of them and shoo off kiters and snipers when necessary. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 181	Posted - 2013.10.29 07:29:00 - [4] - Quote Here is a nice tier list for you: God Tier: Ishtar / Cerb Cerb does well as pure anti-tackle / anti support as well for those peski ewar cruisers / frigs. Amazing ship Ishtar has more DPS to bring than the cerb, another great pick. Good Tier: Diemos Deimos is good at what it does. Shield rail diemos is still pretty good Meh Tier: Vagabond / Munin Vagabond is bad because it uses auto cannons. Ship is just bad, unless you want a way to scram kiting ships. **** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle
Kasutra Tailor Company 223	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:41:00 - [5] - Quote Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is **? Wat
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 332	Posted - 2013.10.29 09:30:00 - [6] - Quote Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is ? Wat ITT Chessur being of the opinion that brawling isn't a thing and that gangs with logistics aren't a thing. All the HACs are in a pretty good place now, the Muninn is pretty niche and the Vaga has DPS projection issues but overall they are all good ships, I think the Sacs traditional dual rep role is better served by the Deimos these days but its excellent in a Logi supported gang as heavy tackle and secondary DPS, the Zealot is again a good gang ship both in Armour gangs and as Anti-Support in shield gangs. The Eagle looks interesting on paper as a fleet rail platform but whether that applies in game I am unsure, the Muninn still has its niche arty role as I said but with ABCs kind of ***** that Meta a bit its hard to say and it may well end up under-used. The Ishtar is pretty good but the derpyness of drones can make it a bit of a pain, however its never the less a very powerful platform, the dual-rep Deimos is an absolute beast. The Cerb is an amazing HAM and RLML platform for solo and gang, RLMLs being so good in general making the RLML Cerb very versatile and potent, probably to the point where RLMLs are in need of a bit of a nerf.
Desudes The Scope Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:15:00 - [7] - Quote Heavy missiles not worth using for the missile HACs? Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 127	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:26:00 - [8] - Quote Are heavy missiles worth using at all now? That's not a trick question either. Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 530	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote RLML is the new HML I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Platypus King Doughboys Shadow Cartel 7	Posted - 2013.10.29 15:01:00 - [10] - Quote Cap buff + sig radius reduction. Hac changes are good.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 182	Posted - 2013.10.29 16:58:00 - [11] - Quote Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is **? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 288	Posted - 2013.10.29 19:17:00 - [12] - Quote Chessur wrote: Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is ? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. This is why you are in FA and not in a good alliance. No sig.**
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 332	Posted - 2013.10.29 19:41:00 - [13] - Quote Chessur wrote: Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is **? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 183	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:17:00 - [14] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: Chessur wrote: Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is **? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear. More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 128	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:32:00 - [15] - Quote Yea and caracal has better speed than cerberus. Vaga will be an exception to the rule most likely. The point is that you have 50% more ehp on a hac as well as twice as many bonuses. Hacs probably are objectively better than t1 at this point with t1 retaining a few minor advantages Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 332	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:43:00 - [16] - Quote Chessur wrote: Danny John-Peter wrote: Chessur wrote: Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is ? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear. More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. Depends on what your flying it for, which is why making sweeping statements as you did is pants on head ******.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 183	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:38:00 - [17] - Quote Either way zealots are really bad, and are out performed by Nomens for solo / small gang and fleet. If you want to compare some fits, please start coughing up numbers, because a zealot is not getting 2X EHP. Infact the Nomen and zealot have extreamly simmilar base EHP. So please stop spouting the bullshit. The zealot is outperformed by the nomen in the AHAC role and most certainly in the small gang / solo role, 100%. Run the numbers.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 126	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote Chessur wrote: More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. The Zealot has a substantially smaller signature, unless of course you fly them with ABs. Also ~40% more laser DPS at the same range is nothing to scoff at. Both ships have their uses.
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 334	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:55:00 - [19] - Quote Chessur wrote: Either way zealots are really bad, and are out performed by Nomens for solo / small gang and fleet. If you want to compare some fits, please start coughing up numbers, because a zealot is not getting 2X EHP. Infact the Nomen and zealot have extreamly simmilar base EHP. So please stop spouting the bullshit. The zealot is outperformed by the nomen in the AHAC role and most certainly in the small gang / solo role, 100%. Run the numbers. Hahahahahahah, again. Both fits with Maxed Damnation, no implants. [Zealot, somanly] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centii A-Type EM Plating Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I 84816 EHP 406 DPS Pre-heat. 84/84/82/90 Resists Preheat (Rounded Profile) 559M/S Sig 125 [Omen Navy Issue, an Awful ABHAC] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I 61490 EHP 77/81/78/76 Resists Preheat (Rounded) 373 DPS Preheat With Drones (Which will die) 726M/S 100M Sig Basically, the Oni gains some speed and a slightly lower sig for ** DPS, resists however you fit it and ** EHP, as well as terrible cap. However the speed and Sig gains are nullified basically by the fact that the primary is Going to be heavily webbed and painted in most fights.
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 434	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:23:00 - [20] - Quote Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet?
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 622	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:56:00 - [21] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet? Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Major Killz La Fraternite 267	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:58:00 - [22] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: Lady Naween wrote: It is a good ship despite what MR FA said. For lowsec I gladly take it out as it can easily tank gateguns while still being nimble enough to outwit gangs. And it has nice firepower as well. Dual rep and you can tank things very comfortably while chewing them up, my only complaint is that I need to pack so many different kind of missiles ^^ I don't like the Sac as much for this these days. Deimos just does the Dual Rep thing better IMO, its still good as a gang ship though, and probably solo although cant say I've soloed in one recently. I use below. Gives me more optionality compared to the Deimos. There have been plenty of engagements I would have lost the Deimos in but did not because I had the option to kite whatever target. So I surivived more I suppose but that did not result in more kills that is failure of course. Rather lose the ship than not kill anything at times and I tend to do that for giggles more than often but the cost of the ship stops those tendencies. I have had an engagement where I had to tanki 5 tech-1 cruisers (Thorax Rupture and Vexor); another where there were 2 Ishtars and a Vengeance that I survived. There was another agianst 15 dudes in mix cruisers and frigates that I also surivived because I was dictating alot range at the beginging before fully commiting and prolonging things long enough to do what needed to be done. So I prefer it because it gives me options and I don't have to worry so much about tracking disruptors and tracking. I am able to do good damage to assault frigates like a Hawk and Vengeance forcing them to tank hard or explode. The neut and web helps ALOT against frigates. So, yeah! It's my prefered close range HAC atm. While I use the Cerberus for Skirmishing. Note: in none of said engagements did I receive ANY FLEET BONUSES. [Sacrilege, Blasphemy] Khanid Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Thermic Hardener II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 10MN Microwarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 - Killz Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013)
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 334	Posted - 2013.10.30 10:21:00 - [23] - Quote I have never actually actually considered that the Sacri has a pretty good mix of Agility/Speed/Tank and Projection. May have to give something similar a try.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1286	Posted - 2013.10.30 11:43:00 - [24] - Quote Chessur wrote: More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. Both are great bastards, I'd take a Nomen over a Zealot in solo/small gang but a Zealot over a Nomen for large fleets removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 184	Posted - 2013.10.30 12:07:00 - [25] - Quote The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS. Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg 81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg 63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice.
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 533	Posted - 2013.10.30 12:08:00 - [26] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Chessur wrote: More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. Both are great bastards, I'd take a Nomen over a Zealot in solo/small gang but a Zealot over a Nomen for large fleets Finally, sense is spoken. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 334	Posted - 2013.10.30 12:31:00 - [27] - Quote Liam Inkuras wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Chessur wrote: More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. Both are great bastards, I'd take a Nomen over a Zealot in solo/small gang but a Zealot over a Nomen for large fleets Finally, sense is spoken. Pretty much this. But to say that its terrible just because it doesn't fit into 1 style play is pretty dumb. (Also drones aren't a reliable source of DPS, and will die)
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 622	Posted - 2013.10.30 13:44:00 - [28] - Quote Chessur wrote: The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS. Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg 81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg 63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice. But all of this talk is ponitless, because I feel that OP is probably solo / small gang. And in that arena, the zealot is completely outclassed by the Nomen. As for a cerb fit- the only way to fit the cerb: http://i.imgur.com/kTPNQmd.jpg 18.5K EHP 35 / 80 / 70 / 50 489 Unheated DPS 1893 M/S Your cerberus fit is completely wrong... try to check one of OUR cerberuses to see how they are fit properly. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 434	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:22:00 - [29] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet? Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people. But is it 225,000,000-250,000,000 powerful/good/wtf are they THAT expensive?!
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 189	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:33:00 - [30] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Chessur wrote: The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS. Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg 81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg 63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice. But all of this talk is ponitless, because I feel that OP is probably solo / small gang. And in that arena, the zealot is completely outclassed by the Nomen. As for a cerb fit- the only way to fit the cerb: http://i.imgur.com/kTPNQmd.jpg 18.5K EHP 35 / 80 / 70 / 50 489 Unheated DPS 1893 M/S Your cerberus fit is completely wrong... try to check one of OUR cerberuses to see how they are fit properly. Thanks but, pretty sure that is how to properly fit a cerb. Its the same fit that turn left uses, and the one that I had discussed with TL before the ship was even released.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T. 76	Posted - 2013.11.02 16:18:00 - [31] - Quote Chessur wrote: Danny John-Peter wrote: Chessur wrote: Kasutra wrote: Chessur wrote: ** Tier: Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is **? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear. More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. This will sure help loads when you are dead...
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 189	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:03:00 - [32] - Quote Well no ****- if you are already dead, than having more speed / ehp / dps is not going to help. Thanks for pointing that elephant in the room out to me. If it wasn't for you, i would have missed it.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:20:00 - [33] - Quote Is the impression that I am meant to be seeing is that rlml cerb is the best fit? Against other cruisers how does it fare? Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 189	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:22:00 - [34] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Is the impression that I am meant to be seeing is that rlml cerb is the best fit? Against other cruisers how does it fare? RLML is the only way to fit a cerb, and it does very well against cruisers. It rapes them.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:40:00 - [35] - Quote I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked. Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 189	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:53:00 - [36] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked. Well to fit hams, you are throwing away the absurd tank, and the speed. You also need a painter if you are planning to kite. If you are trying to brawl, you basically need to be in web range with web applied to do full damage to other cruisers (And if they are linked, you will stil not do full damage). So really its up to you.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:44:00 - [37] - Quote I can post a fit I had in mind a bit later. Basicly just a fed navy web and long point for range control otherwise just active tank. From what I know of missiles the bigger issue is explosion velocity more than radius so dual webbing a target might net me more applied dps? My typical target is cruisers or BC Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1527	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:04:00 - [38] - Quote Chessur wrote: God Tier: Ishtar / Cerb Meh Tier: Vagabond / Munin Cerb is GOD tier, and Vaga is meh?? Wow, times change. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Xequecal GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 110	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:01:00 - [39] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked. Just look at ship stats while linked. If speed is 160% of signature radius or higher, CN HAMs start losing damage. The very high DRF on HAMs means it's very close to a 1:1 ratio, speed at 320% signature is 50% damage, 640% is 25%, etc. Just to demonstrate, a linked Scythe Fleet Issue with a Domi MWD and 2 nanos has a signature of 308m and goes 3444m/sec. It takes about 15% of EFT DPS from CN Scourge HAMs. Even if you web this ship, HAMs are still only doing 35-40% damage. If they overload their MWD, you can apply two webs and RLMs will STILL do more DPS than HAMs. While HAMs can't even hit ABing battleships for full DPS, if you load precisions into your RLMs you can still do 100% of EFT DPS to a Scythe Fleet with links, titan bonus, and a full Halo set. Skirmish links completely invalidate all missile systems bigger than RLMs, period. The Sacrilege is actually overpowered if noone has links, but becomes **** if everyone does. That's just what happens when you combine a speed increase with a sig reduction of that magnitude.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 192	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:05:00 - [40] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked. Just look at ship stats while linked. If speed is 160% of signature radius or higher, CN HAMs start losing damage. The very high DRF on HAMs means it's very close to a 1:1 ratio, speed at 320% signature is 50% damage, 640% is 25%, etc. Just to demonstrate, a linked Scythe Fleet Issue with a Domi MWD and 2 nanos has a signature of 308m and goes 3444m/sec. It takes about 15% of EFT DPS from CN Scourge HAMs. Even if you web this ship, HAMs are still only doing 35-40% damage. If they overload their MWD, you can apply two webs and RLMs will STILL do more DPS than HAMs. While HAMs can't even hit ABing battleships for full DPS, if you load precisions into your RLMs you can still do 100% of EFT DPS to a Scythe Fleet with links, titan bonus, deadspace MWD, and a full Halo set. Skirmish links completely invalidate all missile systems bigger than RLMs, period. The Sacrilege is actually overpowered if noone has links, but becomes **** if everyone does. That's just what happens when you combine a speed increase with a sig reduction of that magnitude. SAC is not OP, not even close. It lacks a much needed low slot, and has no ship bonus for missile application. Its stuck using HAM's, and HAM's are so trash- shooting a linked or unlinked ship.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.03 00:58:00 - [41] - Quote [Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Faint Warp Disruptor I Medium Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Probably a dirt-crap fit but for fighting other cruisers I've found it "adequate". Pimping it out results in [Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM bling] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy EM Ward Amplifier Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II With quite a bit better dps and of course range improvements across the board. WIth implants you break 840 dps, the problem is of course: application. Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 292	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:08:00 - [42] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet? Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people. I haven't seen it many times, but EMP has run AB Eagles with rails at least once or twice with decent success, same for SOLAR. No sig.
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 193	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:39:00 - [43] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: [Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Faint Warp Disruptor I Medium Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Probably a dirt-crap fit but for fighting other cruisers I've found it "adequate". Pimping it out results in [Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM bling] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy EM Ward Amplifier Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II With quite a bit better dps and of course range improvements across the board. WIth implants you break 840 dps, the problem is of course: application. Why are you fitting medium shield boosters to a cruiser, with out a cap booster and a medium core defense cap safeguard... I dont even... my eyes bleed. Faint warp disruptor? Come on man.... fit dual LSE and be done with it, and throw an anci in the rigs with a T2 EM screen
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:03:00 - [44] - Quote Haha yes I thought that would be your conclusion. Neither of fits are real I just wanted to know your thoughts on viability of an active tanked cerb. But even so those fits are nearly cap stable if you fit 3% cap implants. I have about 5 different cerbs and they're all configured differently Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 126	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:46:00 - [45] - Quote [Cerberus, HAM PvP] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II A dual EM screen reinforcer II + invul works too, although it takes a little more juice and links worse. Substitute a BCU for a nano if needed, and replace the web for a TP for large gang/fleet action.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 130	Posted - 2013.11.03 09:05:00 - [46] - Quote That looks pretty good. I fit one with loading bay ii and a t2 em rig to free up a mid and keep the deeps high. I find the cerb meshes quite well with recons where you can get them. If someone brings a tengu though their performance outshines me quite a bit except foe fights in an enemies deep falloff thanks to 40km rage missilea Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing
Chessur Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension 195	Posted - 2013.11.03 12:35:00 - [47] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Haha yes I thought that would be your conclusion. Neither of fits are real I just wanted to know your thoughts on viability of an active tanked cerb. But even so those fits are nearly cap stable if you fit 3% cap implants. I have about 5 different cerbs and they're all configured differently Active tank cerbs are amazing, RLML cerbs sport an XLASB. However a HAM cerb, can't hope to fit that type of tank.
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box 337	Posted - 2013.11.03 13:22:00 - [48] - Quote You can wedge a LASB/LSE on a Cerb without too much difficulty, its not got the same tank as an XLASB obviously but its handy as re-loading buffer never the less as long as you aren't tackled.
shal ri Zanzibar Land TAXU 15	Posted - 2013.12.20 21:19:00 - [49] - Quote I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 48	Posted - 2013.12.21 05:26:00 - [50] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet? Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people. THIS. put blasters, mwd scram and tank on it, and watch as the 150k ehp eagle MELTS peoples faces off.
Jack Miton Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 2520	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:15:00 - [51] - Quote in my flyings, zealot and ishtar are both excellent, munin is unsealable crap outside of the alpha fleet it was always good at and deimos is still mediocre in the extreme. the kitey shield HACs are still utterly irrelevant because tier 3 battlecruisers exist. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
kurage87 EVE University Ivy League 25	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:05:00 - [52] - Quote shal ri wrote: I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say 'twas from before the RLML change. HAM cerb is the only way to fit them now.
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 657	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:14:00 - [53] - Quote shal ri wrote: I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say Your necro post to this thread has made it more known to people I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Rab See Fool Mental Junket 17	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:01:00 - [54] - Quote Amazing that the Ishtar is by far the most potent ship. It can field frigate, cruiser and BS weapons, hits for 900+ ranged dps on shield fits and has a nice selectable damage type. Compare it to everything else, even most T1 BS and it craps all over them. Its a pvp/e beauty. Amarr got one good ship - missiles. Cerb is good, Eagle is surprising. Deimos now good ... Munnin - crap, Vaga meh! Truly minmatar got the ****** stick - seriously one trick crap.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12826	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:47:00 - [55] - Quote And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn) 1 Kings 12:11
God's Apples AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 208	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:10:00 - [56] - Quote Malcanis wrote: And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn) It's more an issue of the weapons they use rather than the ships themselves. If the vaga was a laser ship it would be superb. It's just stuck with ****** ACs or unviable arties.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 952	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:47:00 - [57] - Quote The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance. It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP. As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 952	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:49:00 - [58] - Quote Malcanis wrote: And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn) 5th bonus my ASS. It has same speed as the sttaber!!! Your argument is same as saying the ishtar got extra bonuses because it has more drone bay. Or that the zealot got eztra bonus because it has more capacitor than the munin. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 324	Posted - 2013.12.23 15:43:00 - [59] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance. It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP. As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot. What is wrong with you No sig.
Odithia Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:51:00 - [60] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance. It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP. As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot. Good instant damage projection/application in scrimish with moderate to large sized fleet. I agree that it is kinda bad. But everything is when compared to the mighty Isthar.
Drake Doe SVER Bloodpack Insidious Empire 313	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:59:00 - [61] - Quote Can anyone make a viable hml cerb fit? "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Jack Miton Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 2527	Posted - 2013.12.23 21:29:00 - [62] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance. It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP. As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot. I'd rather fly a zealot than a legion every time. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Maxor Swift Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.23 21:46:00 - [63] - Quote Chessur wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: Chessur wrote: The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS. Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg 81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg 63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice. But all of this talk is ponitless, because I feel that OP is probably solo / small gang. And in that arena, the zealot is completely outclassed by the Nomen. As for a cerb fit- the only way to fit the cerb: http://i.imgur.com/kTPNQmd.jpg 18.5K EHP 35 / 80 / 70 / 50 489 Unheated DPS 1893 M/S Your cerberus fit is completely wrong... try to check one of OUR cerberuses to see how they are fit properly. Thanks but, pretty sure that is how to properly fit a cerb. Its the same fit that turn left uses, and the one that I had discussed with TL before the ship was even released. In regard to the "only way to fit a cerb" remember the RnB track 21 seconds to go by so solid crew? With RLML its 53 seconds before i gotta go.
Wayward Hero Wayward Ventures 2	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:36:00 - [64] - Quote I try so hard to love the Sacrilege. It looks so damn pretty! The problem is that everything a Sac can do, a nano Cyclone can do better, for much MUCH cheaper. Also, Chessur's Cerb fit is outdated by the new RLML changes. RLML cerb is far less potent now.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans 173	Posted - 2013.12.27 09:41:00 - [65] - Quote Flying a cerb these days is definitely a ham affair. Pop a crash booster. load up your tank and fit for a good mix of endurance and punch. If things get really sticky I recommend a web at least to really drive that 700+ dps home. LP store weapon cost rebalance
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2224	Posted - 2013.12.27 10:47:00 - [66] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance. Zealot is a great ship. I flew one in Initiative fleets (before the rebalance). They were very effective then, now even moreso. The main weakness of Zealot was that the PG was so low, you pretty much needed AWU V to fly one. Nowadays, not so much. Oh god.
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore 460	Posted - 2013.12.27 14:28:00 - [67] - Quote I tried a HAM Cerb on sisi before it went live. It didn't have the tank to survive at close range vs other HACs. It was possible to fit it to kite to a certain extent. But then you were giving up on dps because of losing BCS for nanos. I was not impressed. However, those complaining about the damage application of HAMs need to train the damn application skills. They apply dps just fine thx. As far as the others... Sac > Zealot in almost all ways, except that it relies on drones for a significant chunk of its dps. Ishtar = nano + drone assist boat. That is all you need to know about that. Deimos is a beastly brawler. Awesome dps. Awesome local tank. Full tackle. No serious cap issues. Can fight even under significant cap pressure/warfare. The Eagle is a hard-counter to all large hybrids. Something about >90% resists and awesome damage projection. Toss in some EWAR support frigates and cheap logi and you're nearly untouchable. And as long as you can keep range, you can even snipe vs drone assist stuff. But, like most Caldari ships, it has really bad cap issues. So keeping range can be problematic. So nice to see something besides winmatar and Angels when it comes to medium-sized ships. Free Ripley Weaver!

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