OP Doesn't know WTF he's talking about!

My 1100dps Nightmare would **** on your Tengu for pretty much every L4. Even against annoying Angels!

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should it be this way?

Tengu is just a regular strategic cruiser in any aspect, xept DPS projection.

Exellent DPS projection makes it (as well as it makes Drake the best BC) best SC.


IMO heavy missiles is the problem. Not Tengu/Drake itself.

basically my whole point is, T3 ships are not in line. not even close. the Tengu is TOO GOOD at raping and pillaging everything PVE, and hands down the best cruiser in the game in PVP in pretty much any situation. with very high SP and faction gear of course. a perfectly flown and fit Tengu laughs at Machariels even. so there is little reason to fly anything else.

Tengus aren't that great vs EM weak rats, in that case their DPS is less than a Loki's - let alone battlehips with EM type ammo.
Also the fact that you lose SP for being ganked doesn't make it exactly a riskless business flying one.
In PvP they sacrifice significant DPS for survivability. It-¦s not all that `Iwin`.

I do admit it-¦s the most versatile T3 hands down. But we have the best ship for everything. Should we nerf the Rifter too? Or the Rupture? The Thrasher? The Omen? The Iteron V? The Nyx? Just because they're the best in their class?

you sound like a moron. who the hell is talking about L4's and battleships?

well for one your shitpost wasn't specific on the pve content, so assuming l4s are part of your "problem" wasn't so far fetched for him. so only if you're talking whs the tengu shines. but even there you have better options if you're not alone. is there any real argument up your sleeve?

No...

The Omen? THE OMEN? Best in his class? I really hope you meant another ship.

Also, why did CCP not want to make T2 ships (marauders black ops etc) SOLOWTFPWN-mobiles when that rule isn't applied to T3-cruisers?

Legion, Theres something wrong with it but cant quite put my finger on it.

Tengu is fine, the problem is all other T3's are just good for specific role or maybe 2 while they're supposed to be VERSATILE.

Tengu IS versatile and a very good ship for pve/pvp, all others don't, that's why they should be buffed at Tengu level.

Don't nerf the Tengu.

Buff the Loki.

If you want to nerf the PvE Tengu, then drop the 10% missile velocity bonus. That would drop HML range down to ~70km. Then nerf HML range down to ~50km (increase speed, reduce flight time of heavy missiles.)

It would still be better than the other PvE T3 configs, but not as blatantly.

Actually, that holds true for the Tengu as well - it just happen to have roles that YOU value.

The other T3's are in need of sub tweaks to be that effective and worth flying for both fields has Tengu can, hell I'd love to see a lot more of those being flown and doing pvp has I'd love to try lvl4's with my Proteus or Loki and have that much fun I can with the Tengu.

Taking away HM range won't help the Proteus or Loki become competitive mission boats.

who says that T3s are supposed to do well in missions?

I dont think its the ship itself that needs a nerf. Heavy Missiles however do. There damage is too high for there range which renders HAMs useless and gives them an advantage over other weapon systems.

HMs need a range OR damage nerf.

I dont think its the ship itself that needs a nerf. Heavy Missiles however do. There damage is too high for there range which renders HAMs useless and gives them an advantage over other weapon systems.

HMs need a range OR damage nerf.