Taking away HM range won't help the Proteus or Loki become competitive mission boats.

Having T3s out performed by T2s is dumb.

the title is: tengu needs nerf (to be brought down to par with the rest of T3's) . easier to nerf one ship than to buff 3.

Cut this flight time and will not change the proteus or loki has you say but will definitively change the tengu or drake and bring them on pair with med weapon systems range of fight.

just saying, this cruiser is capable of numbers like 670dps while omnitanking 900dps, for example. it is the gold standard in PVE, and there isnt really a reason to fly anything else (at cruiser/BC level). Tengu is the go-to PVE boat, and people dont have a reason to use anything else.

should it be this way?

670 dps is the gold standard for PVE?

If there's something the Tengu does not better than Cerberus is push the same dps at the same distance, now you see what I did here?

just saying, this cruiser is capable of numbers like 670dps while omnitanking 900dps, for example. it is the gold standard in PVE, and there isnt really a reason to fly anything else (at cruiser/BC level). Tengu is the go-to PVE boat, and people dont have a reason to use anything else.

should it be this way?

He's probably flying gallente and using hybrids, everything else can do from 1k to almost 2 (gimp fits), so no, Tengu is not overpowered.

The missile Tengu (Mengu) might need a nerf, but the Hybrid subsystem need a tiny buff, the damage bonus should be increased from 5% to 7,5%, to make it almost (but not really) as damagedealing as Proteus.

I feel the need to add:

If you're comparing tengu PVE vs any gun ship PVE take into consideration that just about every BS rat has defender missiles. At least every other volley if not every volley is down a missile by default.

What i've learned here:

When arguing for buffs, compare everything to projectiles.
When arguing for nerfs, compare everything to hybrids.

The latter is now even more potent since it's a moving goal-post.

actually, no. heavy missiles are a category of their own. you should not be able to project such high dps over such a huge range, and never miss. this is not too hard to grasp.

actually, no. heavy missiles are a category of their own. you should not be able to project such high dps over such a huge range, and never miss. this is not too hard to grasp.

"High dps?" Missiles?

Btw, ever heard of exp radius and exp velocity? Guns have one dmg mitigating factor - tracking, handled by mod. Missiles have 2, handled by 2 different rigs.

HML 100MB AB Tengus are beasts and can handle anything. it is a stupid, unbalanced ship. the cookie cutter setup is out and everyone's grandma is using one.

with all due respect, i didnt start this thread to be educated about missiles and Tengus. i know how they work. ive been on both ends of the relationship many times. that being said, HM's will wear down your inty/AF in 30-ish seconds or so. speed tanking goes a long way in reducing damage, but you cannot outrun missiles like you used to be able to.