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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
720
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:12:00 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Please no compulsory WiS. I want to fly space ships, not dress up.
Thank you for sharing :)
But I think nobody here cares if you like or dislike to fly wearing panties, latex, naked or whatever; it's not a discussion about your personal fetish but about possible gameplay improvements.
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Seranova Farreach
Lion Squadron
451
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Posted - 2013.11.26 20:50:00 -
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itll probably be in Incarna 2.0 when they finish rebalanceing everything, introduceing modular posses, increaseing the amount of galaxies in eve (2014 perhaps), 2014 for highsec poco-loco and a whole lot of other more important stuff befor we get to show off our fashion sence in stations.. and then nex/aur will finally make sence :P |
Izzy Ankhavees
Ankhavees Data Mining AEB Industrial Assembly
7
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Posted - 2013.11.27 03:33:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:There is a measurable contingent of older players (read: bittervets) who very specifically want the game to not evolve.
I can understand their sentiments a bit, but to think that EVE Online should go another 10 years being pretty much exactly what we have.. I don't see the game lasting 10 more years in that kind of a state.
And the concept of evolution is a bit odd. Some people take evolution as any change that increases some aspect of the game. In that sense, people take the new tech II command ships as evolution.
For other people, evolution is a change that allows something else to be done. And in this case, you are right, evolution is bad for bittervets.
But the problem is the legion of wannabes that find in the words of them the faith, and ask for something they dont even know what is, but talk about as they did, because some angry vet said what it "leads to".
That is the curse of leaving aspects of the game up to players instead of taking dictatorial control. Again, that is what parents, politicians and teachers have been learning mostly the hardway.
I still not sure if all this player driven things, one only shard and loose punishment is really that good. I mean, in the real world somethings arent done because they are risky and bear consequences. When you start putting the the ability of players in mitigating those punishments and risks ones to others, you are starting a very tenuous road to creating the entrenched elite and unfranchised small groups, which in turn leads to "stale progress".
That is the main reason EVE has stalled in evolution. What was the dream of players 5 years ago is not the same as today. A lot changed in the world, in the mmo industry, and although EVE is top of its genre, somethings arent the top of new players expectations anymore. "Perfect crimes do not exist, for to be a crime, it must be proven." "Make the body count unacceptable to ensure your own safety." "Basic rule of covert ops: let someone else do your dirty work." |
Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
71
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:11:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:I guess you were living in a cave for past several years so you know nothing about Jita riots and player protests against "features" Incarna had to offer.
I'm still confused as to why players rebelled against a genuinely good idea, when garbage like the loot pinata got no outrage. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
663
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:19:00 -
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I fail to understand the desire to turn an aspect of EVE into "Second Life". I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1204
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:38:00 -
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You're all doing it very wrong. Here's how you reply correctly.
Delt0r Garsk wrote:Please no compulsory WiS. I want to fly space ships, not dress up.
CCP tried compulsory WiS during Incarna and it went very badly for them. I'm pretty sure they've learned their lesson and won't try to force anyone to use WiS again - or any of its features when they do arrive. |
Radhe Amatin
Shadow State Fatal Ascension
24
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:15:00 -
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i believe CCP is working on adding new region of space , with a whole new array of player build stuff. I want that as fast as possible so ignore any kind of stupid walk in stations. Much more interesting content the WiS which adds nothing to eve gameplay. |
Captain Meric
Angry Happy fun times
0
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Posted - 2013.11.27 07:30:00 -
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Scuzzy Logic wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:I guess you were living in a cave for past several years so you know nothing about Jita riots and player protests against "features" Incarna had to offer. I'm still confused as to why players rebelled against a genuinely good idea, when garbage like the loot pinata got no outrage.
It wasn't one thing people rebelled against, it wasn't just WIS or the lack of content of the letter that was leaked, or the introduction of Aurum (and the over priced stuff for the cosmetics ). It was a combination of all these things being built up in the community for over a year or so that raised to the riots.
Players where tired of some of the broken things in the game and seeing our money being handed over for other games. (it is there right I guess but still some of the nagging things needed to be worked on)
I think, for the most part, the WIS was going to be accepted, but they didn't come out with anything. I almost fried my computer when it first loaded. I was on a older computer and had trouble just logging in sometimes at that point before the placed "the door" there.
Before all that, many people who have friendly chat channels of their own where looking forward to making bars, lounges and such of there own. When clothing was announced I remember many of my corp mates wondering if they would be able to make in game shirts and such for others, uniforms for there corp and so on.
The built it all up saying the player will have control. We didn't at that point. So the player rioted then. It really wasn't just over WiS but big hopes and dreams and the rest all coming to a head with a really disappointed player base. IF they had opened the doors and let people just pop up a small place of there own when Incarna came out (and some of the other things didn't happen) then I doubt we would have gotten to many people saying it was bad. Some like myself preferring to stay mostly ship side while others go do there stuff in game.
(though, I still think Aurem should be removed from all aspects of the game and let it be isk, or if you really want clothing something like a dollar or two, I don't ever see spending a Plex on it unless it has changed since I left )
So yes it wasn't the futures of Incarna, it was the lack of features with the hopes we had.
Perhaps, if they cannot do it maybe ask the player base to help so they don't have to design everything on there own? freeing the devs to work on all the other stuff and get the door open? I personally rather see more tactical things added to eve than WIS though.
as for loot stuff, If it is the scanning site now I haven't tried it, have no interest since the change and I had a guy at one time trained just to scan things. so, no idea if people cared or not over it.
(watch me have all this wrong, but that is how I remember it, forgive the old guy if he missed something! ) |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
853
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Posted - 2013.11.27 09:19:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:Please no compulsory WiS. I want to fly space ships, not dress up. Typical example of an average incarna whine post. "Oh noez! If ccp enables players to walk in stationz I won't be able to fly my cuddly widdle space ship anymoar..."
You do remembe rwhat happened whn incarna hit? Yes they FORCED us the stupid captain quarters. Reducing interface easyness of use, increasign massively the resource usage so we coudl see a horrible implemenntation of a waling room.
So yes, peopel ahve a reason to not want it.
CCP burned their chance with incarna, now they will only be able to try again when it can add meaningful gameplay, and I doubt we will see that before world of darkness is out. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
853
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Posted - 2013.11.27 09:21:00 -
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Radhe Amatin wrote:i believe CCP is working on adding new region of space , with a whole new array of player build stuff. I want that as fast as possible so ignore any kind of stupid walk in stations. Much more interesting content the WiS which adds nothing to eve gameplay.
that until they allow us to train combat kills and made a fight club in a remote station in low sec, where we can bet our ships. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
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Tragot Gomndor
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.27 09:29:00 -
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Delete all WiS content, make the client smaller, its already half as big as WoW. Pre-Trinity eve was better and smaller. 0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:26:00 -
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Tragot Gomndor wrote:Delete all WiS content, make the client smaller, its already half as big as WoW. Pre-Trinity eve was better and smaller.
Are you going to personally compensate everyone for the fair market ISK value of their current avatar items? You know, things like my "Buy $300 worth of plex and get a bonus Silvershore" coat or all the stuff from the Collector's Edition or all the other rare-ish bonus items they've released?
No?
What about the christmas present items?
No again?
I didn't think so.
Hush. People are trying to be productive in this thread. |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:47:00 -
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Seranova Farreach wrote:itll probably be in Incarna 2.0 when they finish rebalanceing everything, introduceing modular posses, increaseing the amount of galaxies in eve (2014 perhaps), 2014 for highsec poco-loco and a whole lot of other more important stuff befor we get to show off our fashion sence in stations.. and then nex/aur will finally make sence :P
Yes AUR yet meaningless, it makes no sense to use it now. |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:52:00 -
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Tragot Gomndor wrote:Delete all WiS content, make the client smaller, its already half as big as WoW. Pre-Trinity eve was better and smaller.
CCP need to optimize CQ, but not to delete.
Yeah, pre-Trinity was smaller, but now we have much powerfull hardware, and all the games are bigger , from graphical and volumetric view.
Need to go forward and not remain on reached. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
109
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:38:00 -
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Is it even plausible atm ?
My reasonable card gets warm under the collar rendering 1 avatar.
rendering 10 forward in jita 4.4 it will melt.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
724
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:41:00 -
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Well WiS would certainly be cool, even more if it included WiS combat and all this stuff (I'm sure some of the Dust code could be used to speed up the developpement process)
But if you cannot create WiS content and space content at the same time, it's wiser to focus on space, and that's what CCP is doing.
I'm sad for the WiS part that could provide so much to eve and make it an ultimate sci-fi experience, but at the same time I understand their choice. G££ <= Me |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:01:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Well WiS would certainly be cool, even more if it included WiS combat and all this stuff (I'm sure some of the Dust code could be used to speed up the developpement process)
But if you cannot create WiS content and space content at the same time, it's wiser to focus on space, and that's what CCP is doing.
I'm sad for the WiS part that could provide so much to eve and make it an ultimate sci-fi experience, but at the same time I understand their choice.
They can create WIS content not at the same time with space part. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
723
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:07:00 -
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Tragot Gomndor wrote:Delete all WiS content, make the client smaller, its already half as big as WoW. Pre-Trinity eve was better and smaller.
Lol, Trinity is not related to WiS.
Trinity (one of the best EVE expansion ever) was focused just on the graphic overhaul, graphic engine rewrite, shader model 3, retexturing for everything and also - for compatibilty with stone age computers - allowed to play in the previous lower graphic mode.
So, yes, of course the former client was smaller :)
We can also remove everything and save only the overwiew and an ASCII based UI and make EVE run under DOS with a micro-client size (as the client size was an issue...)
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Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
72
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:43:00 -
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Altrue wrote: But if you cannot create WiS content and space content at the same time, it's wiser to focus on space, and that's what CCP is doing. .
Actually most of the WiS devs and related art devs were moved to DUST and then to that dogfighting game CCP is half-baking instead of giving us decent content in the game we already like as if they intend for EVE to tank soon.
My advice to CCP is: Make DUST work on PS4, get WiS to an acceptable state, THEN you can allocate those devs on other projects.
CCP fails at management again, folks!
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Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
72
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:46:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:[quote=Tragot Gomndor] We can also remove everything and save only the overwiew and an ASCII based UI and make EVE run under DOS with a micro-client size.
And thus the EVE thin-client for iPhone was born! |
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Seranova Farreach
Lion Squadron
454
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:05:00 -
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Radhe Amatin wrote:i believe CCP is working on adding new region of space , with a whole new array of player build stuff. I want that as fast as possible so ignore any kind of stupid walk in stations. Much more interesting content the WiS which adds nothing to eve gameplay.
i thought it was a whole new galaxy? |
Radhe Amatin
Shadow State Fatal Ascension
24
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Posted - 2013.11.28 06:18:00 -
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Seranova Farreach wrote:Radhe Amatin wrote:i believe CCP is working on adding new region of space , with a whole new array of player build stuff. I want that as fast as possible so ignore any kind of stupid walk in stations. Much more interesting content the WiS which adds nothing to eve gameplay. i thought it was a whole new galaxy?
not sure if a whole galaxy....eve has what 5000+ systems now its only one small part of a galaxy.... |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:42:00 -
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Scuzzy Logic wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote: We can also remove everything and save only the overwiew and an ASCII based UI and make EVE run under DOS with a micro-client size.
And thus the EVE thin-client for iPhone was born!
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Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:51:00 -
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Some comments from DEV or GM ? |
scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:28:00 -
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Kabaos wrote:Some comments from DEV or GM ?
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1rhv8y/iama_ccp_rise_game_designer_for_eve_online_ama/cdnf4ls?context=3
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Simc0m
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:40:00 -
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I think they should put like 3 people on this project and have them put out small updates with every patch. Let's start by adding the ability to sit on my couch in captains quarters and play video poker with my buddies. |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:15:00 -
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Simc0m wrote:I think they should put like 3 people on this project and have them put out small updates with every patch. Let's start by adding the ability to sit on my couch in captains quarters and play video poker with my buddies.
agree. |
Kabaos
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:16:00 -
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I have already read, I need on my a topic answers. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1244
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Posted - 2013.11.29 02:31:00 -
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Kabaos wrote:I have already read, I need on my a topic answers.
Well aren't you a pretty princess.
CCP has spoken with regards to Incarna. If you want better answers, re-watch "CCP Presents!" from FanFest 2013. Hilmar himself says that The Door is staying closed for the forseeable future.
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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
23
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Posted - 2013.11.29 08:14:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:I guess you were living in a cave for past several years so you know nothing about Jita riots and player protests against "features" Incarna had to offer. Weren't the protests against the loading station environment being compulsory, so docking took a long time with bad computers? I love walking in station, I wish we get a fireplace with a mantle on it so we can place all our ship L5 mastery trophies on it. But walking on station has to be more than just walking around, we need ideas for good sensical features. You know, why would you have to walk around instead of just pressing the market button or science and industry button etc? I'll work on that. |
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