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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:23:00 -
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Iarga wrote:nice guide but your ooow so wrong about mag sites......
i do them a lot and they drop anywhere from 1 to 15 enhanced ward consoles (once i got like 32 from one site that was jackpot)
15 x 18 mill = 270 mill for such little time to do them...(and dont forget the other blue salvage that drops also has a nice value) i rather find radar site total crap
i get around 150+ of these EWC a week (and not counting the other salvage ) = 2.7 bill + easy
awesome thanks. is this after the Mag site buff that occurred recently? i may have to test it out myself and update the guide. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:23:00 -
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Roime wrote:I trained for the Ishtar some time ago with this activity in mind, but been holding of due to lack of info, and being a scary little fairy... now I also have a nice scanner alt so no excuses left anymore.
Thanks, will try o7
yay \o/
Roime wrote:Derp, I was so amazed by an actually good thread that I forgot my question:
How much tank you need for the better plexes?
a ninja plexing Ishtar is always active tanked. the best you can do with an active tank is an 8/10 DED plex (the fit i posted). i cant recall the exact names of the sites, but what i usually do is use EVE Wiki upon finding a site im not familiar with. this will tell you whether or not it's soloable. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:28:00 -
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SidtheKid100 wrote:
Alright, for starters, sorry about the long response time. Just a brief hiatus while skilling for the Ishtar.
Now onto address the 100MN AB Ishtar itself:
But in the end, this is all just speculation. (I haven't actually gotten into the ship yet) Feel free to test it out at some point, and let us know how it goes.
o/
basically, there's no reason not to dual prop the Ishtar now, after the speed and agility buffs! you can achieve significantly higher speeds running the mwd compared to 100mn ab. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:33:00 -
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Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
1) I do : align then cloak then mwd and after reaching proper speed ( >75% ) I start spamming warp and hit decloak. I'm getting a message that I'm in warp or that I cannot do that while warping ( spamming warp button ) but it still takes about 3-4 seconds before actually warping out. Is it just decloaking animation, during which I cannot be targetted, or am I doing something wrong?
there's one way to know FOR SURE that you're doing this right. if your ship warps away BEFORE the decloaking animation completes, you cant be targeted. if you do the sequence well, you should be warping away 1-2 seconds before the animation completes.
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote: 2) Between dropping gate cloak and activating onboard cloak I can be seen for a split second on the overview. Can some ship actually target me during that time?
no, youre fine. but they'll be burning for your approximate location, which is why it's recommended to juke a little bit (change directions right after you activate the mwd)
thanks for the support! |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:38:00 -
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Borun Tal wrote:I would like to ask experienced opinions on Pilgrim vs Ishtar. I've been experimenting with a Pilgrim, but it just feels like I'm missing a lot of DPS... I don't have a fit to post (at work), but it's fitted for pretty much any exploration site (Sisters Core, Analyzer, Codebreaker, salvager, rigged for exploration)... Thoughts?
ps: Saw OP's post on Tengu, hadn't considered that for low exploration cuz I'm not sure about losing an 750mil ship... ;-)
dont take out a t3 unless you have at least 5-10 solid pvp'ers in your fleet nearby, in addition to intel. trust me 
the Pilgrim can do just fine with Mag and Radar sites in nullsec, in addition to 4/10's and 5/10's. also, you can do the non-DED combat sites that escalate. some escalations are easy and give you free faction spawns, which you can snipe. i dont think the Pilgrim could handle a 6/10, not sure. basically you can do everything except the really juicy sites, which sometimes dont drop anything good (just to make you feel better ) |

SidtheKid100
Miffed inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:41:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:SidtheKid100 wrote:
Alright, for starters, sorry about the long response time. Just a brief hiatus while skilling for the Ishtar.
Now onto address the 100MN AB Ishtar itself:
But in the end, this is all just speculation. (I haven't actually gotten into the ship yet) Feel free to test it out at some point, and let us know how it goes.
o/ basically, there's no reason not to dual prop the Ishtar now, after the speed and agility buffs! you can achieve significantly higher speeds running the mwd compared to 100mn ab.
Makes sense. Thanks.
But if you're going to use dual prop, how would you squeeze in the analyzer?
What compromises in fitting would you make?
And is it worth it to drop a gun for a salvager? I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:46:00 -
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i'll have to test it, but i think the tank should do fine with just one cap recharger! in addition, the Heavy Electrons are a BONUS. taking one away for a salvager may pay off for you. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
30
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:04:00 -
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Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:1) I do : align then cloak then mwd and after reaching proper speed ( >75% ) I start spamming warp and hit decloak. I'm getting a message that I'm in warp or that I cannot do that while warping ( spamming warp button ) but it still takes about 3-4 seconds before actually warping out. Is it just decloaking animation, during which I cannot be targetted, or am I doing something wrong?
Select object (out gate or ceslestial or so), align, cloak followed quickly by mwd (place them in slots one and two and just press F1+F2 together), wait for mwd to almost finish cycling, uncloak, warpto. If you do it right you wil instantly enter the wap animation.
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Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
30
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:23:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Borun Tal wrote:I would like to ask experienced opinions on Pilgrim vs Ishtar. I've been experimenting with a Pilgrim, but it just feels like I'm missing a lot of DPS... I don't have a fit to post (at work), but it's fitted for pretty much any exploration site (Sisters Core, Analyzer, Codebreaker, salvager, rigged for exploration)... Thoughts?
ps: Saw OP's post on Tengu, hadn't considered that for low exploration cuz I'm not sure about losing an 750mil ship... ;-) dont take out a t3 unless you have at least 5-10 solid pvp'ers in your fleet nearby, in addition to intel. trust me  the Pilgrim can do just fine with Mag and Radar sites in nullsec, in addition to 4/10's and 5/10's. also, you can do the non-DED combat sites that escalate. some escalations are easy and give you free faction spawns, which you can snipe. i dont think the Pilgrim could handle a 6/10, not sure. basically you can do everything except the really juicy sites, which sometimes dont drop anything good (just to make you feel better  )
I have 'tanked' up to the Gurista 8/10 in my Pilgrim (1600 plate, 2+1 hardeners, med repper, ab) - which mostly involves getting aggro and burning away first then maintaining range. However with the Pilgrim alone lets say a 6/10 would take ages due to only a flight of medium drones, so you need a dps buddy tagging along. |

Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:56:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote: Select object (out gate or ceslestial or so), align, cloak followed quickly by mwd (place them in slots one and two and just press F1+F2 together), wait for mwd to almost finish cycling, uncloak, warpto. If you do it right you wil instantly enter the warp animation.
Yeah that was it. I was just decloaking too soon. Thanks for help. |

SidtheKid100
Miffed inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:11:00 -
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MUST NOT LET THIS THREAD DIE....
A question, to those lucky enough to be out with their Ishtar, exploring already.
How are you actually scanning down the sites? An unbonused ship like the Ishtar is going to be getting <=70 points from their probes, even with Sisters probes/launcher...so how successful have you been at scanning down radar and mag sites in 0.0? I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main. |

Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:51:00 -
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SidtheKid100 wrote:MUST NOT LET THIS THREAD DIE....
A question, to those lucky enough to be out with their Ishtar, exploring already.
How are you actually scanning down the sites? An unbonused ship like the Ishtar is going to be getting <=70 points from their probes, even with Sisters probes/launcher...so how successful have you been at scanning down radar and mag sites in 0.0?
My experience living in null was that scanning without a bonused ship was pure crap. I has astro V, rangefinding V, everything else at IV, sisters probes/launcher, but no implants. I always ended up getting the cheetah out to find stuff first. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
35
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:40:00 -
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Rangefinding 5, Sisters gear, and scan strength bonus implant you don't even need to add rigs (maybe one). With close to 77 probe strength i can scan down all sites. Needs some fiddling with 7 probes on the hardest sigs, but it works. |

Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:02:00 -
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I wish I could use those implants, but my neck of the null woods is a bit rough for that. |

Jam180
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:14:00 -
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Hi ppl,
Recently i got into the game of high sec exploring. Would you happen to have a fit for a Tengu that can do it all? The analyzer / salvager might be left off, as i never had anything worth while from a radar before :)
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Comrade Sesk
Kitsune Holdings Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:10:00 -
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Any Minmatar fits?
Can't fly Gallente HAC :( |

Carniflex
StarHunt Broken Toys
9
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:54:00 -
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About getting equipment in and out. If you have an alt (noticed that you suggested using one for scouting) and can train that alt up to cov ops/ cov ops cyno then you can use Black Ops for moving equipment and secure cans into locations that are within 4,5 ly of the empire. Or deeper, if you have multiple cyno alts.
Downside is - you need at least 2 cyno alts - one for getting in - one for getting out. Ofc you CAN co it with regular cynos as well - just you will lose cynos rather often if someone happens upon them and they dont work in cyno jammed systems (not that it would be an issue - no one is jamming all of their systems nowadays. Perhaps station systems, but station systems are not for ninjas).
In the end its questionable if its easier to juggle with cyno alts or get through a the gates with a scout and blocade runner. In my opinion Black Ops is more "risk free". Jumping around is the one good thing this ship does.
Proably a bit too expensive for running complexes in one. At that pricetag T3 would be better for that. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
353
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:36:00 -
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SidtheKid100 wrote:MUST NOT LET THIS THREAD DIE....
A question, to those lucky enough to be out with their Ishtar, exploring already.
How are you actually scanning down the sites? An unbonused ship like the Ishtar is going to be getting <=70 points from their probes, even with Sisters probes/launcher...so how successful have you been at scanning down radar and mag sites in 0.0?
oops, forgot to bump. glad there's still interest. out of the hundreds of sites ive scanned, ive only not been able to pinpoint about 4-5. thats all i can really say, i dont know the exact numbers. but Goob covered that.
re: other posts. ive covered all i know about Minnie ships in an earlier post, and i did concede that the Tengu is actually better at this than the Ishtar (slightly), but the price difference makes it not worth it if you lose one. |

Alice Houlahan
Lyrix Industries IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:33:00 -
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Are there any ships other than an Ishtar that you could use? I'm considering giving this a try, but it would be using my alt with a Buzzard to probe and my main in a Drake (fitted with a prototype cloak so I can hide) to do the killing. Probably not as effective but very low-cost. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
353
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:53:00 -
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after the tengu and ishtar, id probably go with the pilgrim. the covops + drake will work for low sec, but theres no way you'd be able to ninja into nullsec and get out alive in the drake. |

Alice Houlahan
Lyrix Industries IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:55:00 -
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I've already sort of done it with a Drake/Buzzard combo. I'd use the covert ops to scout gates and avoid camps. Once I got into a fairly quiet part of null-sec I could rat fairly effectively although I didn't try any real exploration. When people showed up in local I'd warp both ships to a safe spot and cloak them up. Flying back home required care but it was doable. I do want to give what you're suggesting with an Ishtar a try, |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
133
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:40:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:SidtheKid100 wrote:MUST NOT LET THIS THREAD DIE....
A question, to those lucky enough to be out with their Ishtar, exploring already.
How are you actually scanning down the sites? An unbonused ship like the Ishtar is going to be getting <=70 points from their probes, even with Sisters probes/launcher...so how successful have you been at scanning down radar and mag sites in 0.0? oops, forgot to bump. glad there's still interest. out of the hundreds of sites ive scanned, ive only not been able to pinpoint about 4-5. thats all i can really say, i dont know the exact numbers. but Goob covered that. re: other posts. ive covered all i know about Minnie ships in an earlier post, and i did concede that the Tengu is actually better at this than the Ishtar (slightly), but the price difference makes it not worth it if you lose one.
I'm not sure I agree that the Tengu is better. If you have 2 pilots maybe, but for the true solo Ninja I'd take my Ishtar over a Tengu any day and twice on sunday. |

Almah Jesper
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:39:00 -
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I agree the ishtar is without question the best solo explorer. Outside of highsec the tengu has absolutely nothing on it unless you spend 10x the isk. |

Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:03:00 -
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I love the istar and I basicly love anything drones. It seems like a gila could pull this off very well too if not better and still be way less then a T3 ship. Any info on this? |

Almah Jesper
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:11:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:I love the istar and I basicly love anything drones. It seems like a gila could pull this off very well too if not better and still be way less then a T3 ship. Any info on this?
Kinda hard to fit a tank on it with analyzer and codebreaker in the mids. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:37:00 -
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and Ishy does significantly more dps, partly because it can fit 2x sentry dmg augs. speed tanking with the GIla would not make much sense considering LSE's increase sig radius. no prob for low sec im sure.
Gila >>>Ishtar in pvp though  |

Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:00:00 -
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Looks like it's time to replace the LSE's with breaker and analyser and see if a good tank can still fit.
Use all low slots for shields and use defender missles as needed?
Time for some testing. |

Almah Jesper
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:10:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Looks like it's time to replace the LSE's with breaker and analyser and see if a good tank can still fit.
Use all low slots for shields and use defender missles as needed?
So far I've eft warriored you fit v.s. gila and it's still a real toss up. Using all the same exploration mods. The one thing I like on the ishtar is the extra cargo room.
I think gila is the best shield version no matter how you cut it.
Further testing ingame will be needed to say anything more then that.
You're going to passive shield tank a cruiser... without shield extenders?
Have fun with that. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:22:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
So far I've eft warriored you fit v.s. gila and it's still a real toss up.
i already tested it, and it's no toss-up at all. i wrote this guide to save people time. the Gila takes way more damage from BS rats than the fast, low-sig, active armor Ishtar. the way these plexes work: you can either tank them easily, or you cant by a long shot. Ishtar can tank everything up to an 8/10 easily, and anything beyond that is not doable with the armor setup (and for the most part because you wouldnt have the dps anyway). also, Sentar does significantly more DPS because it can fit 2 sentry dmg rigs, and blasters.
in conclusion, while a ninja-fit Gila could probably tank a 6/10, it probably couldnt tank an 8/10. passive shield setups are not ninja fits. ninja setup - you have everything on one ship, which means you need 3 mids for dual prop and codebreaker (4 if you wanna fit analyzer). you cant fit a sufficient shield tank with all those mids missing  |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
360
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Posted - 2012.01.29 19:02:00 -
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and up. |
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