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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:21:00 -
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This is great guide. Thank you Hungry Eyes.
<3 Ishtar
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

juicy lips
STRAG3S
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:14:00 -
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hey mate i am looking at your fit and can't figure out how you tank - can't see any Armour rep? Is it buffer tank? understood that CPR is cap power relay... |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
496
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Posted - 2012.04.19 06:14:00 -
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juicy lips wrote:hey mate i am looking at your fit and can't figure out how you tank - can't see any Armour rep? Is it buffer tank? understood that CPR is cap power relay...
There is supposed to be a medium repper, I can't remember which one, but T2 seems to fit. In EFT copypasta standard format:
[Ishtar, Hungry Eyes]
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 10MN Afterburner II Codebreaker I Analyzer I Cap Recharger II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener Capacitor Power Relay II Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Hammerhead II x5
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juicy lips
STRAG3S
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:29:00 -
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Thanks Roime!
I have a question though.. Should the blasters be M or S? I guess Mediums dash out more DPS while Small provide better tracking to kill frigs - so which ones should i fit?
Also saw reference to a dualrep Ishtar, so I guess you can only fit Small guns on it and lose DPS and also would need a cap booster to stay stable when you have to run both?
Can someone link that fit please? |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
511
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:46:00 -
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Those are mediums on that fit. They have more range and dps, Ishtar receives a bonus to medium hybrid damage.
Correct, smalls would probably be more effective against frigs, allowing you to keep sentries deployed and pop frigs with guns. I favor the gank approach and fit med Neutrons to kill battleships faster- personal preference, try both and see what you like :)
Yes, dual reps would mean a cap booster and downgrading guns on a mostly T2 fit, or at best med electrons. I haven't flown dual rep, and won't post an untested fit. |

Murinae
6
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Posted - 2012.04.22 08:48:00 -
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Awesome read. Will read again. Bookmarked for future reference! |

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
4
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:19:00 -
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I liked your guide very much ! Good reading and fun.
Congrats !
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |

The Cake
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:07:00 -
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Great, now I can't decide between training for a Nightmare (for Amarr L4's) or Ishtar next. Great job lol.
Bookmarked for reference in a month or three. |

FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
66
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:51:00 -
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Great topic. Gives me a couple of ideas about future prospects with my fire team of alts. |

Newbie Ned
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:30:00 -
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Given the changes in inferno, in particular the low slot drone damage mod, any thoughts on changing the fit or are all the low slots needed for tank?
Shield tank with 3 drone damage mods????????!!!! |

Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
74
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:34:00 -
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Newbie Ned wrote:Given the changes in inferno, in particular the low slot drone damage mod, any thoughts on changing the fit or are all the low slots needed for tank?
Shield tank with 3 drone damage mods????????!!!!
This could work but only with heavies. No room for omnis but --> 700 ogre dps  |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
397
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:28:00 -
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ARISE OLD THREAD. i will be testing the new drone dmg mods. was away for a while. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
407
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:22:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:ARISE OLD THREAD. i will be testing the new drone dmg mods. was away for a while.
Will you be able to fit one, though, given the 'Tar's almost comical lack of CPU...
A question, please, regarding cloaks:
The Prototype cloak, in my testing doesn't generate enough speed with the MWD pulse to warp unless you have speed/agility mods in the lows--and you still need to accelerate for a few seconds before warping even then. Overheated MWD pulse is "almost" enough, but still not optimal. Is that still "good enough" regardless?
The Improved cloak can only fit with size-small blasters (and Drones-Rigging trained to 5, ugh :/), are smalls enough for losec and some nullsec (DED up to approx. 7/10, their unrated equivalents, and nullsec escalations)?
Rise, thread, RISE!
(And CCP, Y U NO MAEK STICKY?)
In irae, veritas. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
59
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:52:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The Improved cloak can only fit with size-small blasters (and Drones-Rigging trained to 5, ugh :/), are smalls enough for losec and some nullsec (DED up to approx. 7/10, their unrated equivalents, and nullsec escalations)?
Drones are your DPS - i don't even have guns on mine, except a civilan for getting aggro. |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
329
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:31:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Once you log off, your ship will warp away in a random direction close to the point of origin, and stay on the map for 120 seconds. nullsecers, while thirsty for blood, will generally move onto something else within 15-30 minutes. But in those 2mins, they can interact with your ship. its 60 seconds, not 120.
Hungry Eyes wrote:Ooops, you're now in a bubble with half a bill of loot in your cargo. First thing, remain freaking calm. You have 30 seconds before gate cloak drops, and nothing can decloak you during this time.The rest is all about luck. Point your ship away from them, move, and immediately activate your cloak followed by the overheated mwd (you can now be decloaked by any object within a few km of you). Change your vector slightly. They now know where you are, and will rush toward you with their drones and dicks out. If they dont decloak you on their first pass, then there's a slight chance you might live. Continue slowboating in your current direction out of the bubble and just wait it out. I wouldnt do that if there is light interdictor(s) or any other fast ships there, most likely they will decloak you before you leave the bubble. Better do cloak/mwd thing back to the gate and hope to get away undecloaked.
Hungry Eyes wrote:Gate aggression: don't fuckin do it. The only time YOU should be aggressing is when youre about to die and have no other choice! This pretty much only includes getting scrammed in a bubble while uncloaked. If you aggress someone on a gate, you have to wait 30 seconds before you can jump through again. 30 seconds is a long time in pvp.. its 60 seconds you cant jump due to aggression.
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Ned Black
Driders
40
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:31:00 -
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Been doing that for a while, I also brought along a base orca.
I have done it a tad bit diffrently thought. I have outfitted two Gilas (basicly the same reason as you, no ammo). But instead of risking those Gilas and the Orca by moving them through 40 jumps of null I simply went to the destination system in a cov ops and scanned a nice quiet wormhole route from there to highsec. This way I had to do two nullsec (wormhole) jumps instead of 40 regular ones and I did not have to bother with gate camps, choke points and so on...
When I am there I feel as safe as ever, local keeps me safe as long as I pay attention. As soon as someone jumps in I know about it and as soon as that happens I warp to my safespot, which is an old wormhole so that it is completely out of alignement from any two orbital bodies... as soon as I get there I cloak up and do something else for a while... easy as pie.
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:28:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The Prototype cloak, in my testing doesn't generate enough speed with the MWD pulse to warp unless you have speed/agility mods in the lows--and you still need to accelerate for a few seconds before warping even then. Overheated MWD pulse is "almost" enough, but still not optimal. Is that still "good enough" regardless?
practice the sequence some more. the ship will definitely warp off before it decloaks fully, which means you're un-targettable. ive never had to overload |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:29:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: its 60 seconds, not 120. its 60 seconds you cant jump due to aggression.
hmm i was sure i changed this earlier. updated now. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:31:00 -
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changed setup to fit one drone dmg augmentor in lows. Gardes now do over 600 dps, and Wardens 460. Sick. This is better than having heavy electrons because your ranged dps is increased significantly, also less micromanagement. |

Teo Deo
T and D Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:08:00 -
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Hungry Eyes - For the love of all that is holy, add an Armor Repper to the low slots on your fit -
[Ishtar, pve] Shadow Serp Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serp Thermic Hardener Shadow Serp Thermic Hardener Drone Damage Augmentor II MEDIUM ARMOR REPAIRER II
Otherwise, a great post and it has led me to buy Ishtars for all of my explorer's jump clones. Very much appreciated! Thanks! |

KamiCrazy
Reikoku
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:17:00 -
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You can change the light neutrons for Regulated Electrons
And yes the DPS is higher. Use CNAM.
If you also have excellent armor compensation skills, and lots of CPU reducing faction mods you can replace 1 or 2 of the hardeners for membranes.
However that makes the ship like 1 bill isk at that point you may as well use a tengu. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
896
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:14:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The Improved cloak can only fit with size-small blasters (and Drones-Rigging trained to 5, ugh :/), are smalls enough for losec and some nullsec (DED up to approx. 7/10, their unrated equivalents, and nullsec escalations)? Drones are your DPS - i don't even have guns on mine, except a civilan for getting aggro.
And still the guns add +200 dps. I've found medium guns to be highly usable on the Ishtar.
My Inferno-updated version:
[Ishtar, The ****** has Neutrons Inferno]
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Internal Force Field Array I Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Imperial Navy Cap Recharger 10MN Afterburner II Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Core Probe Launcher I /OFFLINE Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Prototype Cloaking Device I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x1 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warden II x5 Garde II x5
NOTE: I enter null/llow via wormholes and roll with a scout, which negates the Imp.Cloak+MWD requirement.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Sione Tolutau
SST Inc. Lemniskate
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:09:00 -
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Great guide. Thanks  |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
237
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:30:00 -
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Just playing around with crazy fits. Tried this with the new damage mods. Yes it is a pimp ship compared to an Ishtar. But has the added benefit in 0.0 of being viable with the interdiction nullifier sub.
In this variation i setup to use ogres. But you could swap the nav for an omni and use sentries.
stats (at 5) 527 DPS Ogres, 213 DPS Blasters (void) 740 DPS total Tanks 783 DPS against serpentis as configured.
The advantage over the ishtar:
1. nullifier sub. You can't covert cloak it, but you can safely mwd cloak your way past bubbled camps 2. scanning sub. Makes scanning easier.
Disadvantage
about 800m as fitted.
Thoughts?
[Proteus, Nullsec explorer]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Federation Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Codebreaker I Drone Navigation Computer II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Drone Link Augmentor II Improved Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 Ogre II x4
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Shazee
Tillistrian Enterprises The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:10:00 -
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I have a question about the initial ishtar fit... Is one cap recharger in meds enough to sustain the tank, so that you can do a 8/10 plex? according to EFT cap should be drained just over 1 min, while only running AB and armor rep...
do you have problems with you cap often? Also what sort of tank would you suggest for doing ninja blood raider plex's? |

Janus Varg
Smoke Jaguars
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:37:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:ARISE OLD THREAD. i will be testing the new drone dmg mods. was away for a while. Will you be able to fit one, though, given the 'Tar's almost comical lack of CPU...  A question, please, regarding cloaks: The Prototype cloak, in my testing doesn't generate enough speed with the MWD pulse to warp unless you have speed/agility mods in the lows--and you still need to accelerate for a few seconds before warping even then. Overheated MWD pulse is "almost" enough, but still not optimal. Is that still "good enough" regardless? The Improved cloak can only fit with size-small blasters (and Drones-Rigging trained to 5, ugh :/), are smalls enough for losec and some nullsec (DED up to approx. 7/10, their unrated equivalents, and nullsec escalations)? Rise, thread, RISE! (And CCP, Y U NO MAEK STICKY?)
Are you waiting for the MWD to near the end of its cycle before decloaking and hitting warp? If that's the 'few seconds' you mention then I think it's normal. Otherwise maybe there's some navigation skills you don't have very high or something. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
436
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:00:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The Prototype cloak, in my testing doesn't generate enough speed with the MWD pulse to warp unless you have speed/agility mods in the lows--and you still need to accelerate for a few seconds before warping even then. Overheated MWD pulse is "almost" enough, but still not optimal. Is that still "good enough" regardless?
practice the sequence some more. the ship will definitely warp off before it decloaks fully, which means you're un-targettable. ive never had to overload
Yeah, I'll practise it some more--my 'Tar and my current base are kinda far apart at the moment--but it feels like it's long enough to be a significant delay. Not "huge," I'm typically off before the decloak animation completes fully--though it's mostly over by the time I do....Acceleration Control skill to 5, soon, I think (still got a few painful drone-skills to do ).
Are you hitting the MWD first, then immediately cloak? This does generate a skosh more speed, IME.
The Proteus fits up there are interesting, might have a go with them--they do seem more versatile, though of course the cost of losing one is a bit of a deterrent. In any case, I want to give my "Happy Mollusc" every possible chance to prove herself, first.
In irae, veritas. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
436
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:06:00 -
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Janus Varg wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:ARISE OLD THREAD. i will be testing the new drone dmg mods. was away for a while. Will you be able to fit one, though, given the 'Tar's almost comical lack of CPU...  A question, please, regarding cloaks: The Prototype cloak, in my testing doesn't generate enough speed with the MWD pulse to warp unless you have speed/agility mods in the lows--and you still need to accelerate for a few seconds before warping even then. Overheated MWD pulse is "almost" enough, but still not optimal. Is that still "good enough" regardless? The Improved cloak can only fit with size-small blasters (and Drones-Rigging trained to 5, ugh :/), are smalls enough for losec and some nullsec (DED up to approx. 7/10, their unrated equivalents, and nullsec escalations)? Rise, thread, RISE! (And CCP, Y U NO MAEK STICKY?) Are you waiting for the MWD to near the end of its cycle before decloaking and hitting warp? If that's the 'few seconds' you mention then I think it's normal. Otherwise maybe there's some navigation skills you don't have very high or something.
I usually decloak right around 1 second (about 30 degrees to go of the white circle on the module's cycle-timer animation) before de-cycle, having started spamming warp-to about a second before that. With ImpCloak + MWD, you're gone right now, with ProtoCloak you still accelerate for a noticeable period, though very brief.
"A few seconds" might have been exaggerating, but it feels like it, for sure.
"Psychological TiDi" courtesy of the "Oh, ****!" factor, maybe?
It definitely doesn't seem as reliable as ImpCloak/MWD, that's for sure--that move, though, is almost too easy once you've been doing it for a while, it must be said  In irae, veritas. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
900
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Posted - 2012.06.25 07:47:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: Thoughts?
That's pretty nice for a nullifier fit! Cap life is not great, and EHP is low, so there's not much room for mistakes. I think heavies are the right choice for Proteus, fitting sentry dmg augmentors just doesn't feel right with 100mbit/s, I went for more (omni) tank on my exploration Proteus.
Maybe this thread should be left for the Ishtar, however :) Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
242
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:20:00 -
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Roime wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote: Thoughts?
That's pretty nice for a nullifier fit! Cap life is not great, and EHP is low, so there's not much room for mistakes. I think heavies are the right choice for Proteus, fitting sentry dmg augmentors just doesn't feel right with 100mbit/s, I went for more (omni) tank on my exploration Proteus. Maybe this thread should be left for the Ishtar, however :)
Except a precedent has already been established throughout this thread talking about non-ishtar options for those who cannot fly it.
And the Title is Nullsec Ninja plexing. Not ...."In an Ishtar" |
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