has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me

Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.

Petrus... you seem bored (otherwise you wouldn't be trolling GD). Maybe it's time to come back down to FW and raise some hell?

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek?

In the next exciting episode of "Why not" we discuss why we don't have area effect remote repairing.

You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasersGǪ

Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

I am deeply sorry for your helplessness against frigates.

In case you are serious: (intentionally left blank)

why do battleships and caps cannot fight frigates??

I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons. It wouldn't be overpowered, but it might make for some interesting bait ships. Fit small autocannons to a tempest and wait till that interceptor gets close and thinks he's got you...*pew pew*BWACKSHCKKXX!!! and that's how it all goes down.

And then the gank fleet catches up with you anyway and you lose your tempest but it was worth it.

Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

You do realize that was the only vent on it right?
As in they reduced everything to a single vulnerable peice to which they could only try and kill every SOB that looked at it and had a bloody wizard and his elite guard joining in to make the killing magically carnagirous?

Well, hey, it worked, remember? Pretty much everything that entered that trench got blown up.

Not even a targeting computer could hit that kind of target. I mean, it would require some kind of supernatural intervention from a dead religion to make such an impossible shot, and surely everyone has outgrown such silly superstitions.

That last guy would have bought it too if everyone weren't too busy looking at countdown screens and pulling levers to notice that a hulking big (and curiously well-armed) transport ship had entered the scene to take potshots at the Emperor's special envoy. It was obviously all an inside job anyway.

I think he feels battleships are helpless against his frigates, and wants a bigger challenge.

Of course if battleships had point defense turrets, they would also need larger crew complements. In real life there is balance in their size by their price and the logistics involved in running them. But real life is less balanced than EVE anyway. In real life, battleships are the I-WIN ship, and navies that don't have enough battleships lose the fight.

Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific.

Ever notice how there wasn't much exhaust coming out of that port? Or how it ever led to anything that looked like it was putting out exhaust? It was a semi-plausable idea that was put in to thwart an otherwise completely invulnerable space station so the good guys could win and look good against impossible odds.

Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.

You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like.
So do you see the exhaust from Sol?

I can't quote properly and only chose to leave in what i want weeeeeeeeeee

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me

I refer to him requesting a damage bonus to fitting undersized weapons. So you can learn to quote properly thanks

Petrus, you really deserve more likes for your ability to bait these zombies.

It's hard to miss the stuff, and that stuff is all spread out, not all clogged up at one tiny duct.

has anyone heard of point defense??

in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid.

WHAT THE **** IS A TURRENT?!

IS IT SOME SORT OF P2P BULLET SHARING SYSTEM?!

nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.

nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.

Common sense does.

Things have changed.

Need rapid medium turrets to go into a high slot?

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me

Dude...just mount your special turrets and you will be fine :-D
Disclaimer:
A battleship is not a jack of all trades device!

Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

In the next exciting episode of "Why not" we discuss why we don't have area effect remote repairing.

any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

simple

its harder to hit a fly buzzing around your head than it is to hit one buzzing around the edge of the room

I wish I had 20ft long arms too :(

tisk tisk

spring loaded swatter gun...

hands are for noobs

Lets say an average 150mm autocannon does what? 50dps? (not efting this here)

Then we multiply that to 8 (for ships that have 8 slots), that being 400 dps, add various other lowslot modifiers and implants, now if you have even a 50% damage increase thats 600 with frigate tracking. Plus drones.

Now everyones flying battleships because frigates are not exactly well renowned for their ability to withstand large amounts of punishment.

See where im getting at here?

and i want a carrier with 200 drones but i aint getting that either

Well, hey, it worked, remember? Pretty much everything that entered that trench got blown up.

Not even a targeting computer could hit that kind of target. I mean, it would require some kind of supernatural intervention from a dead religion to make such an impossible shot, and surely everyone has outgrown such silly superstitions.

That last guy would have bought it too if everyone weren't too busy looking at countdown screens and pulling levers to notice that a hulking big (and curiously well-armed) transport ship had entered the scene to take potshots at the Emperor's special envoy. It was obviously all an inside job anyway.

in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid.

thinking about the fact that the game is placed several thousand years in the future with awesome tech but still couldnt come up with anything that makes big turrets move faster is kinda dumb.

Sorry, but the larger laser weapons would take longer to follow targets and thus would be easier to evade. Like it already is in Eve, strangely enough. Lasers aren't like self-propelled missiles, they have to be fired out of something, which is the weak point here.

Not necessarily true. A bigger ship means bigger mechanical devices. This wouldn't fit on a patrol boat but you could fit multiple on a cruiser or aircraft carrier. More real estate = more point defense = less chance of a smaller ship surviving.

Phalanx tracks like a pro btw.

All the more reason large ships should get weapon bonuses for fitting small turrets.

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me

You go right ahead and fit smalls in your high slots...

In the next exciting episode of "Why not" we discuss why we don't have area effect remote repairing.

Ever heard of balance?

Balance in what way?

One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced.

Another could say its a result of balance.

My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses.

why is this thread stil going? is all bittervet trols with no imaginaton?

ONE Frigatte can't kill a propper fitted BS....no way....

But think again...what if the BS has anti-frig weapons and can fight everything which is smaller....why use ANYTHING small?
No need for support fleets for Titans....they could kill everything by their own....

Ridiculous balacing...

Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter...

Properly fit for what? I assure you there are some frigs which could and do kill properly fit battleships alone.

So why is everyone not flying around in only SC or regular carrier.

has anyone heard of point defense??]

Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.

Apparently you have never seen an Ishkur in action.

Which does exactly nothing when your opponent is using autocannons..

DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter...

Quoting some old old Dev statement.

No Ship was ever designed as be a Solopwnmobile.

WHAT THE **** IS A TURRENT?!

IS IT SOME SORT OF P2P BULLET SHARING SYSTEM?!