GǪcan't be verified without you providing the fits. So I did the next best thing and built something that approached the capabilities shown.

As it happens, such a fit would deal 400GÇô450 DPS to the Thorax at 2k, killing it in, oh, about a minute or so. Compare this to the supposed 550 DPS from The Thorax, which will need 4GÇô5 minutes to chew through the RokhGǪ assuming it hasn't done the sensible thing for a solo Rokh and gone active-tank, in which case the Thorax won't dent it at all.

Taking 400 DPS is not the same as GǣinvulnerableGǥ, so you Thorax is moving in the wrong direction if that's what he's aiming forGǪ

Tippia I always mean to tell you this when i read your posts but i think im in love with you just a little bit...

So much just straight up fact laced with a healthy dose of to the point sarcasm and finished up with a "here is my proof where is yours"

real solid data.

Proof? I saw no proof, just the usual Tippia trolling which equates to pulling 'facts' out of its bum and ignoring real solid data.

Proof? I saw no proof

ignoring real solid data.

I think you may be wrong there, Tasiv. I've tried soloing in a Megathron (which has a tracking bonus) and tracking disruptors really messed me up.

You say earlier that the aggressor may be forced to engage. Being able to disengage instead of dying is a huge advantage, you can even come back shortly (possibly with fleet mates).

I think Battleships need more advantages to offset these disadvantages.

So, moving the goalposts now, huh?

Ok. At 500, it does 182 DPS, which kills the poor thing in just over two minutes. Meanwhile, the Thorax still does ~550, and still requires 4GÇô5 minutes (or GêP minutes).

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I was refering to what a single Tracking Disrupt could do (it doesnt really knock stats down that low) and yea bringing back fleet mates is a good thing but youll also see that i said a battleship shouldnt be solo so if we arent going completely 1v1 then you cant use it against one side for the sake of arguing

No the goalposts for small ships orbiting big ships has always been 500 metres Tippia. Why would you orbit at 2k where they can hit you slightly. At 500 metres the Rokh does virtually no damage. In 50 seconds my 2 flights of light drones kills the Rokhs meds. After that its game over.

Oh Lugia... I miss you man...

Lol, a lot of ships can fit at least two tracking disruptors without making great sacrifices.

If battleships shouldn't have the ability to fight in small numbers, then they should be more effective at fighting in larg-ish numbers, in "straight up" situations where hit and run tactics aren't that important.

Them being worse in both small AND large scale battles is imbalanced.

Ehh, wormholes aren't my thing. I'ma pirate!

No the goalposts for small ships orbiting big ships has always been 500 metres

The only thing that is important is in all cases a Rax inside 2k of a Rokh

At 500 metres the Rokh does

In 50 seconds my 2 flights of light drones kills the Rokhs meds. After that its game over.

Yea i know... one of these days youll have to join one of our roams though

We're still waiting for your fits. Why are you being so secretive about your work if you are so confident that you are right?

Lol, a lot of ships can fit at least two tracking disruptors without making great sacrifices.

If battleships shouldn't have the ability to fight in small numbers, then they should be more effective at fighting in larg-ish numbers, in "straight up" situations where hit and run tactics aren't that important.

Them being worse in both small AND large scale battles is imbalanced.

im not saying they cant fight in small numbers im saying they cant fight solo which is a big difference from small gangs and as for large ish numbers its more of a how large is large... ive seen 2-3 tornados alpha a tengu but not even break the shield of a Raven at a certain point though anyone ship is going to be erased when enough is focusing fire on it its just a matter of what it can do before its sweeped aside

So your Rokh actually only has one tracking mod (not 3), no rigs and is using the largest guns available. Which ammo are you using in those guns?

I'm referring to the ongoing theme of using fast, nimble ships for heavy slugfests/straight up engagements.

Imo, Battleships should either be really strong, but not very mobile, or quite strong and reasonably mobile.

At the moment some battleship doctrines are just underpowered in general.

And @ Kagura.

Sure, an equal number of small ships, you're right, the Battleships might win.

But how long until the smaller ships use their superior mobility to dogpile onto the Battleships?

With the warp changes it's even easier.

I'm referring to the ongoing theme of using fast, nimble ships for heavy slugfests/straight up engagements.

Imo, Battleships should either be really strong, but not very mobile, or quite strong and reasonably mobile.

At the moment some battleship doctrines are just underpowered in general.

And @ Kagura.

Sure, an equal number of small ships, you're right, the Battleships might win.

But how long until the smaller ships use their superior mobility to dogpile onto the Battleships?

With the warp changes it's even easier.

Small gangs can and do follow doctrines.
And yes, Battleships are designed to move around the field, their damage and EHP is not designed with carrier immobility in mind.

4 BS are sitting ducks to be attacked by a huge number of compositions.

For example, lets say you added two falcons to those 12 thoraxes.

Now do you understand my point?

Small gangs can and do follow doctrines.
And yes, Battleships are designed to move around the field, their damage and EHP is not designed with carrier immobility in mind.

4 BS are sitting ducks to be attacked by a huge number of compositions.

For example, lets say you added two falcons to those 12 thoraxes.

Now do you understand my point?

This is a very important point. Part of winning EVE fights is being able to force an engagement and dictate range. A battleship or group of battleships cannot force an engagement, nor dictate range. This means the only time those battleships will be engaged is when they're able to be destroyed. They're usually also not able to leave a fight at will.

This completely ignoring the difficulties of the fight vs smaller faster ships.