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Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:14:00 -
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So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are.
So what's the point? |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:17:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to
Black ops . . . /thread Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
842
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:17:00 -
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Marauders are actually a viable upgrade. One can argue the cost is questionable & that they could be better designed, but the ship itself is a decent step from their T1 cousins now. They also don't have poor resists, the T1 BS have identical resists to all T1 ships. Only the T2 ships have lower resists. Sig & Speed tanking can be countered by TP's & Webs. So when you need 'in your face' brute force tanking, the BS does it. They also have huge range when you consider snipers, large DPS compared in most cases to other subcaps.
So.... that's why people use them. |

ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:18:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Gulliver Kilmister wrote:there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to Black ops . . . /thread Marauders . . . //thread// Dodixie > Hek |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:19:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Black ops . . . /thread
They were buffed? When?
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Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:22:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Gulliver Kilmister wrote:there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to Black ops . . . /thread Marauders . . . //thread//
Read about the changes and wondered what they're good for now (?) |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:32:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Marauders are actually a viable upgrade. One can argue the cost is questionable & that they could be better designed, but the ship itself is a decent step from their T1 cousins now. They also don't have poor resists, the T1 BS have identical resists to all T1 ships. Only the T2 ships have lower resists. Sig & Speed tanking can be countered by TP's & Webs. So when you need 'in your face' brute force tanking, the BS does it. They also have huge range when you consider snipers, large DPS compared in most cases to other subcaps.
So.... that's why people use them.
It's a step from their T1 counterparts - agreed - but the T1 counterparts are atrocious.
T2 have lower resists? Thats new to me.
Sig & speed tanking can be countered with webs and TPs - yes - but BS come perma webbed and TPd right out of the box, at any range.
I agree on the range, but whilst EFT DPS look kind of 'meh' the actual applied DPS is poor due to their guns sig resolution and poor tracking. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
842
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:35:00 -
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T2 BS have lower Resists than T2 Cruisers (Like HAC's). Not lower than T1. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:36:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Black ops . . . /thread
They were buffed? When?
They weren't. You've never done black ops stuff have you? Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4097
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:42:00 -
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Machariel
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:43:00 -
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Why do people eat oranges, when apples are just SOOOO much better?!??? I don't get it... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:46:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
They weren't. You've never done black ops stuff have you?[/quote]
No - how would I? I'm a noob.
On paper, they look like the T1 BS - just with worse DPS and EHP and the ability to fit a very short range portal limited to few ships.
What's that great black ops stuff you do? |

Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:47:00 -
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I like Battleships. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:49:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
They weren't. You've never done black ops stuff have you?
No - how would I? I'm a noob. On paper, they look like the T1 BS - just with worse DPS and EHP and the ability to fit a very short range portal limited to few ships. What's that great black ops stuff you do?
You're a noob, never experienced battleship stuff (mauraders, null anomaly ratting, black ops, incursions, etc) yet you say they are bad?
Here's the wiki, start reading it and come back when you're a tad bit more educated. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
121
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:51:00 -
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Battleships are good fun.. love the Mach gotta train into blops still myself but looking forward to it.
Also nuet Geddon useful/annoying |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
843
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:52:00 -
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The level 4 mission effect also puts a lot of people into BS, who then want to use that training elsewhere. Basically lvl 4 missions are tricky to do in non BS ships, due to the DPS output needed sometimes to break the NPC BS tanks. T3 cruisers can do it and if you are good, you can do it with some of the smaller T2's. Or simply as a fleet in smaller T1's (A few Cruisers working together for example).
As do Null fleet doctrines when you are engaging structures as part of your objectives. |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:55:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:You're a noob, never experienced battleship stuff (mauraders, null anomaly ratting, black ops, incursions, etc) yet you say they are bad? Here's the wiki, start reading it and come back when you're a tad bit more educated.
You're wrong. I never said they were bad, I asked why people fly them.
So much for uneducated posts... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:59:00 -
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Some battleships are quite good for null pvp. Dominix and Megathron are excellent. Apoc Navy Issue is popular. Armageddons ate great neuting ships. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
614
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:03:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:So what's the point?
That's supposed to be your job. Figure it out. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:04:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:You're wrong. I never said they were bad, I asked why people fly them.
Gulliver Kilmister wrote:So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 BS to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are.
So what's the point?
Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:05:00 -
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They're only useful for two things. Shooting red squares and as disposable fleet ships due to insurance and range projection.
They have been nerfed so hard its very difficult to justify using them over something else in game.
Subcap killing: BC, T3 and even carriers > BS due to weapon size, tracking, lock time and speed. Tanking: T3's have more EHP amplified by small sig radius and speed. Small gangs: Warp speeds, agility, speed make them undesirable. Gate camping: Mobility, locktime, damage application make them undesirable. Combat anoms - you can use 2 or 3 RR BS to run a 10/10 or 1 Hac to run the same combat anom due to to BS's aweful sig radius and citidel torp application (20k damage vs Ishtar / Tengu 1k or less) as well as damage application (BS Torps or Cruise (bad) vs Tengu HAM (good) or Ishtar Sentry (excellent), mobility, cloakability (lock time nerfage)).
BS have all the negatives of a capital but not the EHP / mobility (jump drive) of one. |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:11:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Gulliver Kilmister wrote:You're wrong. I never said they were bad, I asked why people fly them. Gulliver Kilmister wrote:So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 BS to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are.
So what's the point?
Those are facts that I came up with due to reading about BS before investing time and money made me wonder why people fly them before I invegst time and money into flying them.
Here's the Wiki, it might help. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:17:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Gulliver Kilmister wrote:You're wrong. I never said they were bad, I asked why people fly them. Gulliver Kilmister wrote:So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 BS to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are.
So what's the point? Those are facts that I came up with due to reading about BS which made me wonder why people fly them before I invest time and money into flying them. Here's the Wiki, it might help. ...but thanks for letting me take part in your rich experience - it has proven to be very constructive for this thread :).
I don't know how you define constructive . . . but ok I guess. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Leigh Akiga
Perkone Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:20:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are.
So what's the point?
EHP
Although, in the age of the assigned sentry drone blap, that doesnt really help much. You are correct sir, there is no longer any reason to fly battleships. Everyone train archons! |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:31:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote: Those are facts that I came up with due to reading about BS which made me wonder why people fly them before I invest time and money into flying them.
Once you learn that most ships in Eve have a purpose and a role, you'll probably see the roles Battleships can serve. Until that time, focus on your support skills (if you can't fly anything, let alone a battleship, without proper support skills, then you'll never "get it"), weapons, and cruisers and battlecruisers. Learn FIRST.
Oh, and nice troll. 2/10 "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:33:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote: I don't know how you define constructive . . . but ok I guess.
It was constructive because your argument in your original post to this thread appeared to claim that the power of black ops itself were enough to justify all the weaknesses to the BS class as a whole as indicated by your 'end thread' comment.
You claimed I said they were bad, which I never did - I stated some facts about BS I've researched which discouraged me from training for them.
I'd call your posts very constructive due to the impressive display of how people contributing nothing useful to a question and venting nothing but hot air make fools of themselves.
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:34:00 -
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Gulliver Kilmister wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote: I don't know how you define constructive . . . but ok I guess.
It was constructive because your argument in your original post to this thread appeared to claim that the power of black ops itself were enough to justify all the weaknesses to the BS class as a whole as indicated by your 'end thread' comment. You claimed I said they were bad, which I never did - I stated some facts about BS I've researched which discouraged me from training for them. I'd call your posts very constructive due to the impressive display of how people contributing nothing useful to a question and venting nothing but hot air make fools of themselves.
What you mean trolling? Yea that's what we do here in General Discussion. If you want a serious answer go ask in the new player forums. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:35:00 -
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In the case of Incursion they are the best thing for the job.
In the case of PvP ... who told you about BS ??? There are no BS, please step away from the keyboard and keep your hands in plain sight.
In the case of ratting ... HACs like the Ishtar and T3s like the Legion and Tengu can get access to places BS are banned from so you see few BS.
In the case of Level IV mission running, well level IVs are a doddle once your skills are up and you can do level IVs in an assault frigate if you want ... but battleships make for stress free mission grinding. |

Gulliver Kilmister
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:38:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote: What you mean trolling? Yea that's what we do here in General Discussion. If you want a serious answer go ask in the new player forums.
Point me to the post where I even mentioned the word trolling, please.
Oh - and on a side note, trolling is prohibited on these forums... |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1074
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Posted - 2014.01.02 01:41:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:They're only useful for two things. Shooting red squares and as disposable fleet ships due to insurance and range projection.
This is a good two sentence explanation. Luckily, lots of people like shooting red squares. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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