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Logan Revelore Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae 18	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:08:00 - [91] - Quote I wonder the same.. Once upon a time I wanted to fit the Rokh that sits in my hangar to do level 4s. I've found that to be near impossible, it ends up doing less DPS than my BC Ferox, even though it has an extra gun hardpoint and more lows and mids as well. My Ferox actually does more dps than my Rokh. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but I can't get a proper dps from my Rokh while fitting rails.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1280	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:14:00 - [92] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As Idetailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 849	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:25:00 - [93] - Quote 1 vs 1 ships are not designed to fight outside their class for the most part. And battleships are specifically vulnerable to smaller ships. So by going '1v1 a cruiser can beat a BS' you are deliberately setting them up in the worst possible position. Battleships are a fleet vessel and are meant to be used as such. And in that role they have a number of useful positions.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1280	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:39:00 - [94] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: 1 vs 1 ships are not designed to fight outside their class for the most part. And battleships are specifically vulnerable to smaller ships. So by going '1v1 a cruiser can beat a BS' you are deliberately setting them up in the worst possible position. Battleships are a fleet vessel and are meant to be used as such. And in that role they have a number of useful positions. This is incorrect and untrue. Please post me a link where any dev ever stated that battleshiips are fleet vessels only? The reality is that apart from capital ships and certain dedicated fleet ships such as logis, recons, EAS and the like (some of which can stll solo like pros (curse for example)) all ship which were released at launch were designed as solo ad small gang ships. From memory maximum gang size was 6 people at release. Not sure where the Battleships were designed as fleet ships came from but its pure horseshite lol.
Deunan Tenephais 59	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:41:00 - [95] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). BSs are not junk or crap, they are big, slow, heavy and absolutely clumsy, but for that they get the best dps and the best tanking of all subcaps. At least they are supposed to, if they do not then it's a problem.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 13431	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:41:00 - [96] - Quote Gulliver Kilmister wrote: So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are. So what's the point? Lots of EHP, lots of damage, lots of range. BS aren't ownmobiles, and they shouldn't be, but there are some jobs that nothing else will do. 1 Kings 12:11
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 13431	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:43:00 - [97] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). Your meticulous commitment to exposing your ignorance is, in it's way, quite inspirational. 1 Kings 12:11
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1281	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:50:00 - [98] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Gulliver Kilmister wrote: So BS align, move and warp the slowest of all subcaps, they have have poor resists, a huge sig radius, are outtanked by pretty much everything when factoring in sigtanking, speedtanking etc, their guns have have terrible signature resolutions, track shockingly bad, there is not a single viable T2 B2 to advance to, there's no single cov ops variant available despite all the other drawbacks and they're the most skill intense and most expensive T1 subcaps there are. So what's the point? Lots of EHP, lots of damage, lots of range. BS aren't ownmobiles, and they shouldn't be, but there are some jobs that nothing else will do. Hmm no. EHP over BC is not significant. EHP over T3 is non-existant, T3 have more, huge amounts more when considering mitigation. DPS over BC no. Paper DPS perhaps but actual applied DPS is what matters. A battlecruisers dps will all be applied to a cruiser. Hardly any of the BS dps will be applied to a cruiser. Range is all they have however a attack battlecruiser has that too. So do sentries.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1281	Posted - 2014.01.02 12:52:00 - [99] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). Your meticulous commitment to exposing your ignorance is, in it's way, quite inspirational. My ignorance has nothig on your arrogance.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 996	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:04:00 - [100] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). 1v1 is now how you compare ships. Otherwise a tempest can defeat almost any ship smaller than him by sheer power of neuts combined with no cap usage guns. That altoguh doe snto make the temepst less horrible in real applications. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1282	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:06:00 - [101] - Quote Deunan Tenephais wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). BSs are not junk or crap, they are big, slow, heavy and absolutely clumsy, but for that they get the best dps and the best tanking of all subcaps. At least they are supposed to, if they do not then it's a problem. Its a problem then because they dont. You would think they'd have the best tank but no they dont. You would think they'd have the best damage but no, they dont. They dont do anything best except. . . Yeah nothing. Even a Domi is beaten at overpwered subcap killing with sentries by carriers lol.
Arduemont The State of War. 2875	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:07:00 - [102] - Quote Battleships are fine as is. They are a niche for PvP though. People very often use Battleships terribly. I know this because I regularly kill Battleships in something smaller. That said, I have regularly taken small Battleship gangs and trashed groups of three or four times the size. It's about knowing how to use them. Mal pretty much has it right, it's about using big guns, high natural EHP, and lots of slots to their maximum effectiveness. Because they're not very mobile, your best using them defensively in situations where you are not the one doing the attacking or dictating the range of engagement for example attacking structures or fighting on station. Naturally high EHP, lots of slots, big capacitors and large cargo bays make BSs naturally good active tankers. And because they move slowly they rely quite heavily on their fleet members. Because they can use MJDs, you can also force people to fight within scram range (again, so long as your are fighting defensively). They are much more 'module' intensive to fly, which can make it especially difficult for people who don't operate under stress well, or just people who don't have a great deal of PvP experience. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Omega Sunset Caldari Roughnecks 109	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:13:00 - [103] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Battleships are a fleet vessel and are meant to be used as such. And in that role they have a number of useful positions. Yes exactly, as I mentioned they are ships of the line. You need a line to hold such as in navy combat. They will do fine in solo missioning, but really they are best with escort ships, and some BS's really are only useful in pvp fleet engagements. Though I do take my scorp on lvl4's some times, fun challenge. People complain how boring lvl4's are, but maybe they cant get themselves to train for more than one ship? ...and whichever is considered optimal under theory craft. GÇö+¬GÇö
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1282	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:16:00 - [104] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). 1v1 is now how you compare ships. Otherwise a tempest can defeat almost any ship smaller than him by sheer power of neuts combined with no cap usage guns. That altoguh doe snto make the temepst less horrible in real applications. No you dont compare by fightng them you compare by ability. Lock times Mega 118 : with sebo 180 : with 2 sebo 270 Brutix 250 : with sebo 400 Thorax 350 : with sebo 550 EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K DPS Mega 1000 : applied to cruiser 450 Proteus 900 : applied to cruiser 900 Real comparisons 1 v 1
Arduemont The State of War. 2875	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:19:00 - [105] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K Why are you passive tanking a ship that has an innate advantage when active tanking? "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1282	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:24:00 - [106] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K Why are you passive tanking a ship that has an innate advantage when active tanking? Theyre both buffer tanked. You realise the Proteus has a sub for buffer tanking and its tank is bigger than a battleships when fitted correctly. Foolish to active tank a Proteus imo.
Arduemont The State of War. 2875	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:28:00 - [107] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Arduemont wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K Why are you passive tanking a ship that has an innate advantage when active tanking? Theyre both buffer tanked. You realise the Proteus has a sub for buffer tanking and its tank is bigger than a battleships when fitted correctly. Foolish to active tank a Proteus imo. The mega, in it's nature as a Battleship, has a massive advantage being active tanked. There is no way, you can fit a Proteus to solo a propperly fit mega. Passive tanked Battleships are old hat, and only work now with on-grid logistics. Fit a web and scram to that mega, a MJD, and an active tank and there is nothing a proteus can do on it's own to win. It can escape, sure, and the Mega won't be able to catch it, but the opposite is also true. If your going to sit within web and scram range of a Mega, your going to die. Stray out of scram range, and you can't pin a mega with a MJD. The natural advantage of a Battleship in active tanking, is that it has a large cargo bay for cap boosters, a natural buffer (that you don't need to add to) for some leeway in your active tank, and lots of slots. Plus, it doesn't rely on moving to keep it's tank up. Change the Mega for a Hyperion and the effect is massively exaggerated. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9712	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:33:00 - [108] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). Your data was a single badly fitted megathron being used for the wrong job vs my three years of flying nothing but megathrons. You have very little experience in BS which shows in your lack of knolage with large weapons, what the hulls can do and which ships are best for what tasks. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Seven Koskanaiken Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two 702	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:48:00 - [109] - Quote Ratting until t3 is trained. The doctrine is battleships.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1283	Posted - 2014.01.02 13:55:00 - [110] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Arduemont wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K Why are you passive tanking a ship that has an innate advantage when active tanking? Theyre both buffer tanked. You realise the Proteus has a sub for buffer tanking and its tank is bigger than a battleships when fitted correctly. Foolish to active tank a Proteus imo. The mega, in it's nature as a Battleship, has a massive advantage being active tanked. There is no way, you can fit a Proteus to solo a propperly fit mega. Passive tanked Battleships are old hat, and only work now with on-grid logistics. Fit a web and scram to that mega, a MJD, and an active tank and there is nothing a proteus can do on it's own to win. It can escape, sure, and the Mega won't be able to catch it, but the opposite is also true. If your going to sit within web and scram range of a Mega, your going to die. Stray out of scram range, and you can't pin a mega with a MJD. The natural advantage of a Battleship in active tanking, is that it has a large cargo bay for cap boosters, a natural buffer (that you don't need to add to) for some leeway in your active tank, and lots of slots. Plus, it doesn't rely on moving to keep it's tank up, unlike anything smaller that will explode almost instantly the moment it stops moving. Change the Mega for a Hyperion and the effect is massively exaggerated. Hmmm I don't know what you're thinking but if you're not using a buffer and max dps (can't do that with reppers) then you're doing it wrong imo. Mega is a in your face, blow it up till it dies or you die ship. Bleed tank maybe is okay but not relying on active reps imo. Each to is own. In any case the point is that for a proper comparison of ability one has to measure the same things. You don't measure a Proteus buffer tank vs a Mega active tanking or you get nonsense data.
Arduemont The State of War. 2875	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:05:00 - [111] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Each to is own. In any case the point is that for a proper comparison of ability one has to measure the same things. You don't measure a Proteus buffer tank vs a Mega active tanking or you get nonsense data. Yes, true. You do need to measure the same things to be objective. But your simply selecting a small group of things that are baised towards the Proteus. That small group is probably one of the most commonly quoted set of stats, but that is besides the point. The fact it there are an almost infinite list of things you could compare. Many of which the Mega would win on. Examples; Can it be immune to warp disruptors (read, can it fit a MJD): Boolean Mega: True Proteus: False Total EHP when fitting for maximum active tank: Megathron wins Active tank whilst moving at mav velocity taking into account signiture radius: Proteus wins Active tank whilst stationary taking into account signiture radius: Mega wins Range: Mega wins Speed: Proteus wins. Also, you can measure a Proteus passive tank against a mega active tank. It gets a lot more complicated but it's entirely possible. I don't have access to EFT for exact figure right now, but you can measure exactly the outcome in maths given the opportune positional situation of each ship. That is, after all, what the game does. A great many stats become irrelevant when you come down to brass taxes. The Proteus's speed for example, because it can't operate at it's max speed without allowing the Mega to leave whenever it wants. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 996	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:05:00 - [112] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: baltec1 wrote: Battleships are powerful enough, people simply are not using them well No. Theyre junk. As I detailed in that other thread with actual real data vs your personal opinion. You may think your Mega or Raven performs well but thats just your fleetmates picking up your slack. And fleets are useless for any useful comparison. As I have stated before, I could take any ship into a fleet fight if I had overwhelming numbers on my side and do well. The only useful comparison is a one vs one comparison. The numbers clearly show BS as crap when compared to other subcaps. Your anecdotal "I blew up some newbs in my blob in a a raven with rockets therefore battleships with rockets are fine" is nonsense. Also some battleships are fine, but only because they a) use a non large weapon system and can assign that system to a non battleship controller b) have bonuses which are non battleship type attributes (sig reduction, speed, agilty, tracking). 1v1 is now how you compare ships. Otherwise a tempest can defeat almost any ship smaller than him by sheer power of neuts combined with no cap usage guns. That altoguh doe snto make the temepst less horrible in real applications. No you dont compare by fightng them you compare by ability. Lock times Mega 118 : with sebo 180 : with 2 sebo 270 Brutix 250 : with sebo 400 Thorax 350 : with sebo 550 EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K DPS Mega 1000 : applied to cruiser 450 Proteus 900 : applied to cruiser 900 Real comparisons 1 v 1 You mean you eft warrior instead of checking the REAL result of using them? You clearly do not do PVP. Try that same proteus agaisnt a Vindicator that is just a tiny bit more ISK. See how well it melts... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Deunan Tenephais 59	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:09:00 - [113] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Its a problem then because they dont. You would think they'd have the best tank but no they dont. You would think they'd have the best damage but no, they dont. They dont do anything best except. . . Yeah nothing. Even a Domi is beaten at overpwered subcap killing with sentries by carriers lol. They do have the best tank, period, a standard T1 BS has more shield/armor/hull than a navy BC and usually has more slots for tank modules if needed, and remember that their repair modules rep a good deal more than medium sized ones. And if they cannot speed tank then they can outrange, knowing that outmaneuvering a foe rests solely in the player's hands, form fitting to piloting. For the dps part I play mainly with railguns and large rails seem not so good compared to medium; knowing that I don't have full gunnery skills I'm not sure how well they scale with a very high level of skill, I guess the difference between medium and large become more significant even if I can't say from experience. And I don't use the other offensive systems enough to be well knowledgeable about them, so I won't say anything about them.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 996	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:09:00 - [114] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: You thought it was badly fitted because you're inexperienced with the Mega. Sitting in blobs with a mega doesn't give you experience. Your amazing 60 kills in your career , from wich 16 are pods , 4 barges , 2 rookie ships, 4 industrials, 2 shuttles and 5 frigates do not igve you as well much room to talk about your "EXPERIENCE". You clearly are very very bad at PVP. Therefore your capability to annalyse what ship is good or not is incredibly limited. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9714	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:15:00 - [115] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: You thought it was badly fitted because you're inexperienced with the Mega. Sitting in blobs with a mega doesn't give you experience. The mega is a gang based ship. It shines with five man gangs to two thousand man fleets and is highly adaptable. You used none of its strengths and threw it into a gang that would have killed any subcap quickly. You chose the wrong ship for the wrong job, fitted it badly and chose the wrong target. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Angelica Dreamstar Aliastra Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:17:00 - [116] - Quote Oh you silly, isn't it obvious? :) Men like to fly biiiiig, strooooong ships ...... it helps with the ladies......... ;)
Arduemont The State of War. 2875	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:19:00 - [117] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The mega is a gang based ship. It shines with five man gangs to two thousand man fleets and is highly adaptable. You used none of its strengths and threw it into a gang that would have killed any subcap quickly. You chose the wrong ship for the wrong job, fitted it badly and chose the wrong target. The mega really is a pretty terrible small gang BS. Your much better of with a Domi, or (optimally) a Hyperion if your going to 1 vs 1. So Inf really has pitched one of the best solo (I prefer the Legion, but I wouldn't say one were that much better than the other) T3s against (hands down) the worst solo Gallente BS. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Tetsuo Tsukaya Itinerant Empire 230	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:22:00 - [118] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Arduemont wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: EHP Mega 118K Proteus 135K Why are you passive tanking a ship that has an innate advantage when active tanking? Theyre both buffer tanked. You realise the Proteus has a sub for buffer tanking and its tank is bigger than a battleships when fitted correctly. Foolish to active tank a Proteus imo. Of course, it's worth pointing out that the mega isn't going to be hit with the nerfbat in the near future while the proteus' subs that bring them up to battleship stats almost definitely are.
Pinky Hops Spartan's DNA Apex. 183	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:24:00 - [119] - Quote I think a lot of this debate is around other ships.... I don't really think BS's are too weak. I think T3's and certain other specific smaller ships (Ishtar comes to mind) are too strong and need to be nerfed.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9716	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:27:00 - [120] - Quote Arduemont wrote: baltec1 wrote: The mega is a gang based ship. It shines with five man gangs to two thousand man fleets and is highly adaptable. You used none of its strengths and threw it into a gang that would have killed any subcap quickly. You chose the wrong ship for the wrong job, fitted it badly and chose the wrong target. The mega really is a pretty terrible small gang BS. Your much better of with a Domi, or (optimally) a Hyperion if your going to 1 vs 1. So Inf really has pitched one of the best solo (I prefer the Legion, but I wouldn't say one were that much better than the other) T3s against one of the worst solo Gallente BSs. Hyperion is a good solo ship but the mega does well in small gangs as it can be very agile and fast for a battleship and packs a massive punch with great tracking. Even before the BS and blaster changes I was roaming around in small gangs of 5 to 15 people. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship

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