No. Most likely it was a disadvantageous transaction in which I traded them a couple hundred rounds of Fusion or Phased Plasma S for it.

The currency is irrelevant. Using that mod in exchange for the paltry amount of ammo i spent to get it contributes to my bottom line; selling higher priced mods that I don't use is profit.

Would you argue that station trading is not true profit because I purchase mods at one price from someone else, and then resell them at another?

Real piracy, conquest of POCOs and moons. Eve is a game where PVE supports PVP, granted, as there are industrial processes that make using them desirable in the first place. Simple truth however is that all this PVE serves to generate PVP, and PVP can be used to secure yourself a nice little space to PVE.

Ratting is PVE? Tell that to the guy that ratted Clone Tags in my favourite system. Mining is PVE? Then you won't need that hardener... PVP is intertwined with everything and there is no escape. Ganking is legit PVP in my eyes, if I wish to wage an economic war against an entity that refuses to leave hisec I have a choice between wardeccing or ganking. Up-front or sneaky-surprise, it's a gameplay choice.

Sure, the guy grinding away all day has every right to enjoy his game the way he wants too. It's just as legit as my moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners that sell X-Types. I don't mind that they run missions. I mind that the majority does nothing else, and does not stand for anything but themselves.

My true gripe isn't with PVE, it's with the absolutely horrible mentality that a lot of mission runners have. I find it hard to not be condescending about someone that only plays for their own gain, and cries when he can't grind his ISK to play for free this month. I'm an annual subscriber, so these people just tick me off with their egoistic whining and autistic expectations.

what if there were new pvp missions that would give players competing objectives but for the same mission...

take the damsel...

player A. has to save the damsel

player B. has to make sure she stays put.

basically you are looking at fancy arena missions that will force the players to fight but the rewards would be worth the risk.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'

The magic of EVE is to maintain a balance between PVP and PVE.

Ships and buildings in EVE do not wear off. If no destruction in PVP or PVE, construction is not needed. Ravaging in PVP activities substantially increases the demand for the products/services provided in PVE. PVP activities boost income to PVE activities such as mining, manufacturing and exploring.

On the other hand, without the enonomic benefits/drawbacks created by a rich game environment and economy for PVE, PVP will be meaningless. No one will be interested to fight for an empty space.

No one will be interested to fight for an empty space.

I beg to differ, but only to play devil's advocate.

If the only benefit of PvPing in 0.0 was having the name of your alliance in the top left of everyone's interface when they entered system, people would fight and die over it.

Gamers take up arms for no cause at all and with such minimal prompting.

Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'

EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.

Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.

That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'

Controlling the rocks to be mined that are needed to build the ships is PvP.

PK is still PVP....

You make an argument that this game is based on PVE, and then disregard a major part of the PVP aspect of the game, simply because you don't agree with how it's done.

PK is still PVP....

You make an argument that this game is based on PVE, and then disregard a major part of the PVP aspect of the game, simply because you don't agree with how it's done.

Ehhh, what's 'real' piracy? I define it as PVP with purely profit in mind. Camping the known route of a mark, cloaking up inside a DED or exploration site, or more plainly shoot everything on an undock in lowsec.

Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

Yes, it really is that simple.

"Real" piracy requires creativity and honor.

A lot of people call themselves pirates, but there have only ever been a certain number of them who actually are legitimate pirates. If you can't efficiently catch and ransom people (and uphold your end of the bargain when the ransom is paid), you're not a pirate; you're a **** with guns just like every other **** with guns in this game.

Pirates stick to certain codes of conduct. Stray too much, and you're just a camper, ganker or straight-up PvPer.

First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner .

For some reason I always just wanted an excuse to post that.

Let's be realistic: saying miner ganking is peeveepee is really like saying a large 30-year old dude knocking an old woman to the ground and stealing her pension check is a street brawl. It's really just stupid that people still say it.

Player A get's blobbed.
Player A comes on forum screaming that the missions are stupid.

Basically the same thing that happens with FW.

Controlling the rocks to be mined that are needed to build the ships is PvP.

Have you even tried?

Exactly, you PvP so you can do high end PvE activies in safety. Therefore, Sov PvE is the real end game, and PvP is just the mechanic to get there.