| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 .. 11 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2224
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 00:16:00 -
[181] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Sounds like a good spot for a DCU II to me There are no tech 2 drone control units.
A fact that I consider highly unfortunate.
If there were, however, they would surely consume 40CPU, 2PG, and reside in the solitary low slot of a rebalanced freighter. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 00:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
you are quite the eve philosopher op.
all i do is in eve is mission grind and found nothing relevant to your post.
is this some kind of conceited attempt to assert what you do as being superior? maybe as a counter measure to all the pvp kidds posting about how great pvp is then i say you've done no good. just like those who down trodden others as being 'carebears' always tend to pat themselves on the back for thinking they're onto something.
it's just as easy to say that without pvp there would be nobody to buy your minerals or large modules and so im afraid your antithesis falls. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6084
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 00:47:00 -
[183] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Sounds like a good spot for a DCU II to me There are no tech 2 drone control units. A fact that I consider highly unfortunate. If there were, however, they would surely consume 40CPU, 2PG, and reside in the solitary low slot of a rebalanced freighter. What about officer ones ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4352
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 01:02:00 -
[184] - Quote
Meyr wrote: If you can't fill a freighter's cargohold with the least expensive cargo possible, without it being cost-effective to gank it, while giving the pilot ZERO options for altering the survivability of his vessel, it's a FAIL design.
Freigher pilots have many options for altering the survivability of their ship. Like miners however, they choose not to do any of this because then they would have to manually pilot their ship.
Meyr wrote:THAT is why so many of us say that ganking is too easy. Not because idiots are locking everything that comes through a gate, but because the Industrialists and Haulers have NO VIABLE OPTIONS IN HOW TO FIT THEIR VESSELS.
Ganking stupid people is easy because they continue being stupid. Perhaps if they didn't fill their lows with cargo expanders then stuff everything they own in to their untanked hauler. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4352
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 01:11:00 -
[185] - Quote
Meyr wrote:If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years.
Yeah, because it's not like you people haven't been screaming at CCP to make ganking harder for years now or anything. Why put a little effort in to making yourself less likely to be ganked when you can just beg CCP to do it for you? This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
811
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 01:18:00 -
[186] - Quote
Meyr wrote:Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).
Too bad.
EVE Online is PVE. PVP is what DRIVES EVE Online. The desire for fights, space, vengeance, and much more, but it's all based upon PVE.
You can disagree all you want to, but, at its core, PVE is what enables all of the PVP.
Wether it's mining (yes, all of you nullsec hardcases, MOON MINING IS STILL MINING - it's just the ultimate in AFK PVE), manufacturing, ratting, Faction Warfare, trading (yes, at the highest levels, trading is PVP, but not to 99% of the PEOPLE doing it), or mission-running, PVE is what EVE is based upon.
NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'
Just because someone doesn't want to PVP doesn't mean they're "doing it wrong." Quite the contrary - they're doing it how they want to. They're paying their subscription fee to CCP, and getting something they enjoy in return.
THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the ultimate sandbox. Stop your moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners - who do you think just bought that X-Type X-Large Shield Booster from you? Some idiot looking to pad your killboard in the next fleet fight? Of course not.
Some people want to 'pew-pew!' Nothing wrong with that. Others just want to build things. Great - someone has to make new stuff to replace the losses, or supply new doctrines.
Others just want to have the shiniest, most ISK-per-module 'blinged-out' "ain't no rat gonna kill this" mission-running ship. It's a goal - just like that top-end Bougatti you'll never even come close to pushing to its limits.
So, stating that EVE is only a 'harsh, cold, dangerous place' is, at best, myopic - it merely goes to show how self-centered you are. I've made great friends of people I'll probably never meet in person. I've spent time enjoying solo play, and I've been one more name in local during huge fleet fights.
EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.
Yes, it really is that simple.
This is what i call good reading but its wrong. You need to go back in 2001 when the beta was release hoop you get your answers. Eve is pvp/pk based. Not pve. Pve is a job you can do. For mining you need to pvp. See the link back to basic 2001. And that will end all debate on that matter. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2227
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 01:20:00 -
[187] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Sounds like a good spot for a DCU II to me There are no tech 2 drone control units. A fact that I consider highly unfortunate. If there were, however, they would surely consume 40CPU, 2PG, and reside in the solitary low slot of a rebalanced freighter. What about officer ones
I'm not really so sure about that. It might turn out to be a little OP to put an officer mod on a freighter. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 03:51:00 -
[188] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Sounds like a good spot for a DCU II to me There are no tech 2 drone control units. A fact that I consider highly unfortunate. If there were, however, they would surely consume 40CPU, 2PG, and reside in the solitary low slot of a rebalanced freighter. What about officer ones I'm not really so sure about that. It might turn out to be a little OP to put an officer mod on a freighter.
Takes just under a Billion in 'nados to gank a typical freighter. People would gank it just for the officer mods even if it had minimal cargo :D In fact it would get ganked just for the chat/forum street cred of "hey look at this idiot in an officer fit freighter".
Note that the recent indy changes made some ships such as the Nereus, Wreathe etc capable of actually being a viable ganking bait ship in themselves. Tthe nereus can manage a LSE and DCU for 25k or more EHP, 6 drones a couple of warp stabs and still have room for a MWD and cloak all for under 5 mill fitted. A small gang of nereus would be a hilarious but effective ganking fleet.
However the same changes have made big capacity indys like the Iteron V and Bestower even harder to tank effectively. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4353
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 04:26:00 -
[189] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:Takes just under a Billion in 'nados to gank a typical freighter.
That is called overkill. You can do it for just over half the price & with less people. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

Meyr
SiN Corp Black Core Alliance
208
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 04:59:00 -
[190] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:Meyr wrote:How about, as I've proposed several times, reducing all Freighter's cargo capacity to the point where a T2 cargohold expander will return them to their current capacity, and fit them with one low slot, 40 CPU, and 2 PG?
You DO understand that freighter pilots need SOME form of options in fitting their ships? Should they CHOOSE to gimp their ship's cargo capacity in return for increased survivability, who are you to protest it?
If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years.
You want the killmail, I want to reach my destination intact. If my choice in how I fit my ship means you can't log in knowing exactly what it's going to take to kill me, that's not my problem. If a DC II makes my ship too hard for you to kill, too bad.
HTFU, as you gankers like to tell everyone else! So you want to change freighters? That was the whole point of this Eve is PvE thing? I've hauled all kinds of stuff in my Crane. Never had a problem. I am guessing that a lot of freighter pilots get along just fine. But something tells me that you are very angry and passionate about this crusade which leads me to guess that you have had problems that other freighter pilots have not. Am I off the mark here?
Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4353
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:05:00 -
[191] - Quote
Meyr wrote:Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.
They do, but they choose not to take precautionary measures. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8101
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:09:00 -
[192] - Quote
Meyr wrote:Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship. I can think of at least six options without even trying. My EVE Videos |

Meyr
SiN Corp Black Core Alliance
208
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:12:00 -
[193] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Meyr wrote:If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years.
Yeah, because it's not like you people haven't been screaming at CCP to make ganking harder for years now or anything. Why put a little effort in to making yourself less likely to be ganked when you can just beg CCP to do it for you?
I trust you see the irony of a Goon making the above statement?
What I mentioned specifically was the fact that a freighter pilot has no choice in how many Catalysts it will take to kill his ship. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4353
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:18:00 -
[194] - Quote
Meyr wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Meyr wrote:If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years.
Yeah, because it's not like you people haven't been screaming at CCP to make ganking harder for years now or anything. Why put a little effort in to making yourself less likely to be ganked when you can just beg CCP to do it for you? I trust you see the irony of a Goon making the above statement? What I mentioned specifically was the fact that a freighter pilot has no choice in how many Catalysts it will take to kill his ship.
They do, they just choose not to use to available options. I've never been in the habit of begging CCP to make my playstyle easier because finding a counter was too much effort. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

Meyr
SiN Corp Black Core Alliance
208
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:23:00 -
[195] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Meyr wrote:Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship. I can think of at least six options without even trying.
Please - elaborate at length!
What choice does a freighter pilot have in determining how many Catalysts it will take to kill his Obelisk?
At best, the pilot can plug in a few implants. Nothing else he has direct control over has any effect upon the EHP of his ship.
Alone among all ship classes, a freighter pilot has no fitting options.
|

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6086
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:27:00 -
[196] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Meyr wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Meyr wrote:If it makes YOUR 'fun' more difficult, awwww, poor baby, too bad. That's what you gankers have been telling hauler pilots for years. Yeah, because it's not like you people haven't been screaming at CCP to make ganking harder for years now or anything. Why put a little effort in to making yourself less likely to be ganked when you can just beg CCP to do it for you? I trust you see the irony of a Goon making the above statement? What I mentioned specifically was the fact that a freighter pilot has no choice in how many Catalysts it will take to kill his ship. They do, they just choose not to use to available options. I've never been in the habit of begging CCP to make my playstyle easier because finding a counter was too much effort. *shrug*
Just lie down and it'll end faster. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8101
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:29:00 -
[197] - Quote
Meyr wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Meyr wrote:Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship. I can think of at least six options without even trying. Please - elaborate at length! What choice does a freighter pilot have in determining how many Catalysts it will take to kill his Obelisk? At best, the pilot can plug in a few implants. Nothing else he has direct control over has any effect upon the EHP of his ship. Alone among all ship classes, a freighter pilot has no fitting options. EHP is not the only factor.
A freighter pilot can:
- Use alts/friends to web him
- Use Slave/LG Slave implants for more EHP (works best with armor freighters)
- Use LG Nomad implants for agility
- Fly JF instead for extra agility and EHP (costs quite a bit more though)
- Use an alt/friend in a boosting ship to increase EHP
- Take routes around common freighter ganking sites (e.g. Niarja) instead of going through them
- Avoid autopilot
- Use instant dock and undock bookmarks to avoid being cargo scanned at the most likely location (trade hub undocks)
- Fly only through systems with higher security status to decrease CONCORD response time (which directly increases the DPS required to kill you)
- Fly with combat escort (some jamming ships would be great for this)
- Fly with logi escort
- If you're being bumped as a setup for a gank, log off
- Most importantly, don't fly with cargo worth ganking over
My EVE Videos |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6086
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:34:00 -
[198] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:EHP is not the only factor. A freighter pilot can:
- Use alts/friends to web him
- Use Slave/LG Slave implants for more EHP (works best with armor freighters)
- Use LG Nomad implants for agility
- Fly JF instead for extra agility and EHP (costs quite a bit more though)
- Use an alt/friend in a boosting ship to increase EHP
- Take routes around common freighter ganking sites (e.g. Niarja) instead of going through them
- Avoid autopilot
- Use instant dock and undock bookmarks to avoid being cargo scanned at the most likely location (trade hub undocks)
- Fly only through systems with higher security status to decrease CONCORD response time (which directly increases the DPS required to kill you)
- Fly with combat escort (some jamming ships would be great for this)
- Fly with logi escort
- If you're being bumped as a setup for a gank, log off
- Most importantly, don't fly with cargo worth ganking over
So when is CCP going to rebalance freighters to have more EHP ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8102
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:37:00 -
[199] - Quote
On that note, buffing freighters to have more EHP isn't going to have the effect these whiners think it would have. Freighter EHP increases -> freighter pilots get more confident -> freighter pilots carry more expensive cargo -> ganking becomes profitable again. My EVE Videos |

Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2139
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:37:00 -
[200] - Quote
Every ISK generated in this game ultimately comes from three places: Mission rewards, rat bounties, and sales to NPC merchants (read: tags and general goods). That's it, nothing else.
Now from there that ISK may change hands many times. That pile of ISK may then be used to buy minerals, or equipment, or ammo, or whole ships. And when that happens it is taxed, like everything else in EvE. Thus, ISK suffers from natural entropy. I single chunk of ISK cannot last forever, and after it has changed hands enough times it will evaporate away entirely from taxes alone if nothing else.
So when someone buys that thing you're selling, where did they get the ISK from? Well, maybe they sold something themselves. Another player. Great, but where did that player get the ISK from? Trace it back far enough and sure enough, as I said, every ISK generated in EvE comes from some sort of PvE activity.
No matter how far removed you think you are from PvE, in the end every ISK in your wallet was originally generated when someone finished a mission, killed a rat, or sold junk to a NPC merchant. It may have gone through the wallets of a dozen players before reaching you, but in the end that is the undeniable source of all wealth in EvE.
TLDR; Taxes and destruction is how ISK is deleted. PvE is where ISK is created. Everything else is just middlemen and entropy. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8102
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:39:00 -
[201] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Every ISK generated in this game ultimately comes from three places: Mission rewards, rat bounties, and sales to NPC merchants (read: tags and general goods). That's it, nothing else. Wrong. My EVE Videos |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6086
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 05:43:00 -
[202] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:On that note, buffing freighters to have more EHP isn't going to have the effect these whiners think it would have. Freighter EHP increases -> freighter pilots get more confident -> freighter pilots carry more expensive cargo -> ganking becomes profitable again. Increase freighter ehp towards arbitrarily high values ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2140
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 06:13:00 -
[203] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Wrong.
Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Arrunca
Quator Finance
5
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 06:53:00 -
[204] - Quote
Meyr wrote:Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.
That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?'
So EVE is not a PVP game because you have a different opinion about what it describes compared to the rest of the world? Well, enjoy PVE then, while the rest of us enjoy doing the same under the nave PVP... |

Arrunca
Quator Finance
5
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 06:53:00 -
[205] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Every ISK generated in this game ultimately comes from three places: Mission rewards, rat bounties, and sales to NPC merchants (read: tags and general goods). That's it, nothing else. Wrong.
Yeah, because ship Insurance is not like one of the bigges isk injectors in the game!
|

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 06:54:00 -
[206] - Quote
Arrunca wrote:Meyr wrote:Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.
That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?' So EVE is not a PVP game because you have a different opinion about what it describes compared to the rest of the world? Well, enjoy PVE then, while the rest of us enjoy doing the same under the nave PVP... everything is pve
ok, i'll enjoy some pve with hostiles ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8103
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 07:00:00 -
[207] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Wrong. Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry. You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance. My EVE Videos |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 11:44:00 -
[208] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Wrong. Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry. You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.
.. and xmas presents
do not forget xmas presents |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1948
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 12:02:00 -
[209] - Quote
Starting any thread with
"I know Ill get flamed for saying this, but I dont care.."
Means
You do care
You cared enough to feel the need to be passive/aggressive about it
You should probably call your mother once in a while and say "I love you mom"
You will feel much much better, trust me *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
78
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 13:21:00 -
[210] - Quote
The problem is that Eve is not short of people who build to replace losses and fund PVP.
Eve is short of content creators, the people that destroy things.
The people who do nothing but 'bear inflate the economy and do nothing to better the game for anyone else. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 .. 11 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |