You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.

wich is pvp income ofcourse.

Running incursions often does involve PVP, and succeeding at that can increase your payout rate.
Insurance is of course also almost always present in combat PVP encounters.

Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

EVE Online is PVE. PVP is what DRIVES EVE Online. The desire for fights, space, vengeance, and much more, but it's all based upon PVE.

You can disagree all you want to, but, at its core, PVE is what enables all of the PVP.

Wether it's mining (yes, all of you nullsec hardcases, MOON MINING IS STILL MINING - it's just the ultimate in AFK PVE), manufacturing, ratting, Faction Warfare, trading (yes, at the highest levels, trading is PVP, but not to 99% of the PEOPLE doing it), or mission-running, PVE is what EVE is based upon.

NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'

Just because someone doesn't want to PVP doesn't mean they're "doing it wrong." Quite the contrary - they're doing it how they want to. They're paying their subscription fee to CCP, and getting something they enjoy in return.

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the ultimate sandbox. Stop your moronic, short-sighted, and stupidly egotistical sneering at those evil, lazy, cowardly, and dirty mission-runners - who do you think just bought that X-Type X-Large Shield Booster from you? Some idiot looking to pad your killboard in the next fleet fight? Of course not.

Some people want to 'pew-pew!' Nothing wrong with that. Others just want to build things. Great - someone has to make new stuff to replace the losses, or supply new doctrines.

Others just want to have the shiniest, most ISK-per-module 'blinged-out' "ain't no rat gonna kill this" mission-running ship. It's a goal - just like that top-end Bougatti you'll never even come close to pushing to its limits.

So, stating that EVE is only a 'harsh, cold, dangerous place' is, at best, myopic - it merely goes to show how self-centered you are. I've made great friends of people I'll probably never meet in person. I've spent time enjoying solo play, and I've been one more name in local during huge fleet fights.

EVE is what you make of it - but it's all paid for by PVE. No PVE, no PVP.

Yes, it really is that simple.

Nope. Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.

funny that, I thought incursions are about killing NPC's. Can you show me an incursion wich doesnt involve PVE?

Nope. (MEYR MEANT "YES" HERE IN ORDER FOR THE ANSWER THATS GIVEN TO MAKE SENSE - Edit) Haven't lost one yet. I simply hate the fact that freighter pilots have zero choice in regards to the survivability of their ship.

They do

Pilot properly. Apart from that, you dont need any.

Ever wonder why elephants, hippos and whales dont have armour?

Elephants - their mass.... REALLY thick, hard skin.

Hippos - ... mass, and really thick skin.

Whales - size, and really thick skin.

The problem is that Eve is not short of people who build to replace losses and fund PVP.

Eve is short of content creators, the people that destroy things.

The people who do nothing but 'bear inflate the economy and do nothing to better the game for anyone else.

When did I say it didn't involve PVE?
Do you know what contesting a site is?

You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.

How often does insurance pay out more than a ship cost in the first place?

How often does insurance pay out more than a ship cost in the first place? And that's before modules are factored in.

How often does building a ship remove more isk from the game than insurance pays out for losing it?

Incursions were PvE last time I checked. That some people like to raid Incursion runners and force PvP on them does not change this in any way. The Incursion itself, and it's NPC signed payout, is strictly PvE.

New characters falls under "After enough decimal places no one gives a damn."

How often does insurance pay out more than a ship cost in the first place? And that's before modules are factored in.

Keep trying. I can shoot this crap down all day.

Some sort of banking clan that prints money and giving the players an ability to set those up and set interest rates would be the obvious solution.

the only issue would be trust. Afterall EVE banks are notorious for scarpering with the memebrs deposits.

The OP was about erecting a more effective barrier against PvP activities against purely PvE players **in highsec** due to the game needing PvE activity to grease the gears of the game. Naturally I agree. Concord response time should be cut in half. After all, *it's a crime* these pvp players are committing in highsec.

The OP was about erecting a more effective barrier against PvP activities against purely PvE players **in highsec** due to the game needing PvE activity to grease the gears of the game. Naturally I agree. Concord response time should be cut in half. After all, *it's a crime* these pvp players are committing in highsec.

erect.

If "Big bad null alliance" decided to invent some alternative currency which is tracked electronically outside the game and said currency is used to "pay" members for services and goods and can be used to "buy" services and goods all through an extrnal interface memebers log in to the only issue would be trust. Afterall EVE banks are notorious for scarpering with the memebrs deposits. Maybe some sort of "Tritanium Standard" ?

No one that logs into this game is, as you describe them, "purely PvE. They are all willing participants in the game as it is.

Concord response time is fine exactly as it is. Stop lobbying for changes. If you don't like the mechanics of the game don't play the ******* game. You can't in one breath say that you enjoy playing the game and in the same breath talk about the changes you want to make to it. That's just asinine.