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Dozer Kerr
Phoenix Space Legion
Against ALL Authorities
7
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:20:00 -
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fix Drones please |
Executer SV
Solar Guards.
SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:21:00 -
[332] - Quote
Fix drone lag pls |
Mist Mahyisti
Hardened Steel Wing
SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:48:00 -
[333] - Quote
fix drone lag pls |
Tiberius Septim
Russia Caldari
Hand of Despair
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:50:00 -
[334] - Quote
fix drone lag pls, but do not nerf sentry |
Huroken
Hardened Steel Wing
SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:54:00 -
[335] - Quote
fix drone lag pls |
Basya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 12:56:00 -
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Yeah, probably thread was started with cry-style post, but some guys try to hold back or ignore offers and ways of the decision.
I will not try to talk about the objectives pursued - it is clear to everyone. Everyone is trying to succeed by any means.
You are doing it as forum trolls. You ignore the ideas and opposes yours correct view of the entire message.
But. But some of guys suggest different ways. Some very radical, others cautious. Let's take another intermediate results and collect all of the proposed solutions. Some of them are discussed at the informal Russian-language forum here and so are not aware of all the ideas. Just realize, people know that one-sided solutions will not be accepted.
1. Enable drone grouping option like it was done with guns or something similar. This will work like a missile launcher fix.
2. Limit carriers to fighters only (like a supercarriers was limited to fighters and FB's only).
3. Limit carriers to use only 5 drones. Change carrier bonuses to increase drone stats (damage or something etc). This will reduce drones count and save it's power.
4. Remove assist or change it only for squad members / only for sub-cap ship class.
5. Create a stacking penalty for Drone Link Augmenters.
6. Split drone bay to 2 parts: fighters and all others with valid limits. Reduce amount of drones (not 100500 sets of drones).
7. Allow guns to be assistable.
8. Change sentry-drones stats. They are hit (insta-pop) all target around 200 km.
9. Add some delay to launching new drones after abandoning.
10. Create new skill for assist the drones like a "level 0 allows to control 5 assisted drones and +5 drones for each skill level" or etc.
11. TiDi affect to all in sol. system, but jumped or cynoed ships doesn't affect TiDi restrictions. Support power can join faster than battle is going on.
12. Drone Assister lock the target. Target will see only assister yellow box. Show all yellow boxes if somebody assist drones to drone assister.
13. Fix or change targeting speed for drone assisters. Prevent scan boosted target callers will shoot ships very fast with 3000 drones.
14. Reduce assist to "class -1" ship types. E..g carriers can assist to carrier or BS, BS can assist to BS or BC and so on...
15. Split the carrier role. If carriers will use weapon/sentry they can't use repaire modules. If carrier will pump the target - they can't use drones. Like a old-style siege on dreads. Probably this can be formed with triage module like a "carrier can pump only in triage mode".
Thank you! |
Alexander the Great
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
165
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Posted - 2014.01.09 12:57:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Alexander the Great wrote:Sentry carriers are imbalanced So go and create a separate thread about nerfing them. This thread is about lags and fixing thereof.
If sentry carriers weren't so good they wouldn't be used so much and thus wouldn't create so much lag. Unless someone would like to kill the node intentionally, which some entities in game can surely do. So I don't see a need for separate thread.
My idea is simple. First fix lag created by cloud of drones and do it ASAP. Then start rebalancing sentry carriers. And this can be separated into more general steps like:
- sentry drones rebalance (including assist mechanic)
- capital remote repair fix
- capital navigation rework
And still I'm waiting for logical arguments against this. For now I see only whine of people who abuse this imbalance. |
Jaya Rain
7
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:14:00 -
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Do not expand this game.
Fix it first. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
208
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:24:00 -
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So is this a centralized CFC whine thread?
I see a pattern of spammy responses from NPC alt's and CFC coalition members |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
694
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:29:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:So is this a centralized CFC whine thread?
I see a pattern of spammy responses from NPC alt's and CFC coalition members
yes, they had a "forum CTA" for posting here. |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
82
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:54:00 -
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I'm not in null and have no experience of carriers so am neutral in this sense.
To me drone assist is fine but should be limited to the assistee only being assisted by as many drones as they can fly (why should they be able to direct more drones than they can interface with?). Then if a fleet wants to hit a single target they can, but they all have to shoot it simultaneously by having the target broadcast the same as for any other weapons system.
No whining, no nerfing, just a simple change to stop a single pilot directly controlling a gazillion dps at once. A good fleet commander would still be able to do so, but it would require co-ordination and discipline which is as it should be in fleet action I think. |
Cyaron wars
SkREW CREW
Local Down
67
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:54:00 -
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Looks like OP was unable to write things in more understandable manner so I will fix it for him:
"Dear CCP,
We, 2/3 of 0.0 alliances decided to kill remaining 1/3, but failed. Our mutual forces are getting smashed in the face by enemy. Somehow our enemy was smarter then we, he invested more ISK into fleets and spent more time on planning fleet composition. He is countering our superior numbers by fielding more ISK and SP and in case we grow ********* to field bigger toys, he escalates it even further. We on our side are unable to risk high valued ships. Please be so kind to nerf my enemy, since his 250 carriers create a soul crushing lag while our 10005000 pilots that try to jump into same system do not affect server load. Please also remove drone assist on carriers, but only carriers. Drone assist can be left on every other drone boat.
We would be glad if you would force all our enemies fly rookie ships every time we want to fight them.
Thanks ahead,
BL/SF/CFC/-DD-/-A- and their dog."
There you go guys, this is how you should ask for nerfs properly. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
694
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:01:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm not in null and have no experience of carriers so am neutral in this sense.
To me drone assist is fine but should be limited to the assistee only being assisted by as many drones as they can fly (why should they be able to direct more drones than they can interface with?).
no, he doesnt control the drones, its me who sets my drones either to defend or to help the assistee.
Cyaron wars wrote:Looks like OP was unable to write things in more understandable manner so I will fix it for him:
"Dear CCP, ...
haha nice, this sums it up pretty well :-D |
Ordo Malus
Shadows Of The Requiem
The Unthinkables
15
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:04:00 -
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Let me make sure I'm understanding this...
1) Stainwagon decides to take N3's sov. Grrr N3.
2) Stainwagon cant take on N3 alone.
3) CFC and Stainwagon get 30k+ toons together.
4) -A- fails at life, Eurogoon has to come help.
5) Everyone vs N3 equates to 1300 vs 400-500 on field.
6) N3 realizes its never getting a fair fight, escalates with Archons + small supporting fleets.
7) Everyone stays out of "slowcat" range and cries how unfair the tactic is ignoring that they are failing with 1300 people on their side of the battlefield.
8) Rather than fix their tactics or adjust fire, post tears on internet:
a. Terrible post by mittani about how evil sentry drone assist is (despite goons using it as the only managable fleet comp)
b. DBRB makes terrible post on GRRR Archons (capitals) using sentries (ignores CFC all for max dues in "boot" carriers)
c. Subsequent failure to deploy "Omega fleet" despite thousands of pilots.
d. Darkness of Despair gets mad at sentry drones because grrrr sentry drones.
All I got out of this is that 1300 pilots on field are mad that 400ish can phalanx and hold an area down through cooperation and thought while the 1300 somehow cant field their own capital fleets or think of anything intelligent to do in game.
CCP, I request you please remove every ship from the game except for the Ibis. Let us fight out our nerd rage with this singular ship, then everyone is on even ground.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
694
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:08:00 -
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Ordo Malus wrote:
5) Everyone vs N3 equates to 1300 vs 400-500 on field.
its their main argument for the equation is simple: 1300 dudes should be able to kill 500 and take their space. |
Ordo Malus
Shadows Of The Requiem
The Unthinkables
19
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:15:00 -
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By this logic, the Japanese should have never lost Iwo Jima to the Marines. Numbers is not a solution against tactics.
Try again. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
84
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:18:00 -
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...snip... no, he doesnt control the drones, its me who sets my drones either to defend or to help the assistee.
For the drones to know what a ship is targeting the pilot of said ship would have to interface with the drones to feed them telemetry so that to me means that:
a) a pilot should not be able to be assisted by drones outside his own drone control range (how would he feed target data?)
b) a pilot should not be able to control in any way more drones than he can interface with (i.e. the sum total of his own + assisting drones)
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
84
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:22:00 -
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Ordo Malus wrote:By this logic, the Japanese should have never lost Iwo Jima to the Marines. Numbers is not a solution against tactics.
Try again.
I was about to make that point re the 300 spartans at thermopylae ( I know they were supported by ~7000 healot slaves but still...).
Given the correct choice of battleground and tactics the criteria that constitutes a superior force will change drastically!
15000 Knights and infantry against 3000 (or whatever it was) archers? Should be a massacre of the archers...but out that in the battlefield of Agincourt....
History is littered with examples of a smaller force crushing a supposedly superior foe. |
Ordo Malus
Shadows Of The Requiem
The Unthinkables
19
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:35:00 -
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If we removed drone assign, N3 would still be able to use wrecking ball. The difference is CFC's Dominix hoard would fall on it's sword.
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vivat77
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
6
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:03:00 -
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Ordo Malus wrote:If we removed drone assign, N3 would still be able to use wrecking ball. The difference is CFC's Dominix hoard would fall on it's sword.
If carriers start lock me, im start warp out ship + align to sun, and spam need armor/shield with no perfect alpha your slowcats can kill only slow noobs, and subcaps can come to optimal for kill this carriers. |
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JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
Darkness of Despair
213
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:10:00 -
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In case someone is thick enough to misapprehend the topic of this thread - it's neither about nerfing carriers nor about changing the mechanics of drone assist. It's also NOT about tactics of countering a subcap blob with capital ships as well as it's not about excursions to history of mythological battles fought between the ancient Greeks and the ancient Persians. All of the aforementioned are mesmerizing subjects on their own, and each deserves a separate dedicated topic, in which, upon creation we will gladly discuss the subject proposed, as i hope all will do here.
For this topic, however, It's very simple, really -
Thousands of (abandoned as well as not ) sentry drones create a massive amount of lag, even with practically empty local in a system. We'd request a CCP rep to acknowledge the stated on the forums as well as to address it ingame. Thanks. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
694
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:12:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
...snip... no, he doesnt control the drones, its me who sets my drones either to defend or to help the assistee.
For the drones to know what a ship is targeting the pilot of said ship would have to interface with the drones to feed them telemetry so that to me means that:
still, the assignee isnt controlling drones. Drones watch on their own who he's shooting at and simply shoot the same target. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
86
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:42:00 -
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JIeoH Mocc wrote:In case someone is thick enough to misapprehend the topic of this thread - it's neither about nerfing carriers nor about changing the mechanics of drone assist. It's also NOT about tactics of countering a subcap blob with capital ships as well as it's not about excursions to history of mythological battles fought between the ancient Greeks and the ancient Persians. All of the aforementioned are mesmerizing subjects on their own, and each deserves a separate dedicated topic, in which, upon creation we will gladly discuss the subject proposed, as i hope all will do here.
For this topic, however, It's very simple, really -
Thousands of (abandoned as well as not ) sentry drones create a massive amount of lag, even with practically empty local in a system. We'd request a CCP rep to acknowledge the stated on the forums as well as to address it ingame. Thanks.
Good point, we've wandered waaaaay off topic :D
How about this:
A pilot can only maintain one flight of abandoned drones close by (e.g. via a simple heartbeat message automatically sent using a tiny bit of spare drone control bandwidth) and one flight of active drones. If the second flight of active drones are abandoned they warp out of grid instead of going dormant locally.
Also abandoned drones cluster together for collection, meaning they are now managed as one item of 5 drones rather than 5 items of 1 drone.
Added bonus: New career path of lost drone farming :D |
le Ellecon Ellecon
Impetus Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:48:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Ordo Malus wrote:
5) Everyone vs N3 equates to 1300 vs 400-500 on field.
its their main argument for the equation is simple: 1300 dudes should be able to kill 500 and take their space.
Are you slow or what? Problem is you cant win or lose battle against sentry archons no matter how many supers or sabs you have. When server drops to 1% tidi its endless battle for all sides. There is no such precedent in the history of eve whats people talking about here, you dumb damage control is ridiculous. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
694
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:53:00 -
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le Ellecon Ellecon wrote:
Are you slow or what? Problem is you cant win or lose battle against sentry archons no matter how many supers or sabs you have. When server drops to 1% tidi its endless battle for all sides. There is no such precedent in the history of eve whats people talking about here, you dumb damage control is ridiculous.
are you slow or what? I wrote its their wish not that its currently the case, this is why this whine thread exists in the first line. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
187
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:26:00 -
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Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.
It is a nice mirror of the situation in game. |
Seeker's's
FIRST SHOCK SQUADRON
Darkness of Despair
1
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:45:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.
It is a nice mirror of the situation in game.
Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject. |
Deishuu Kaiki Teikitsu
Evicted.
Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:07:00 -
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Seeker's's wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote:Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.
It is a nice mirror of the situation in game. Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.
>shitpost any topic on this subject
>This is coming from a guy in the alliance that shitposted over 3 pages for a forum CTA
mfw |
Ametist01
Space Plague School
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:49:00 -
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Fix drone lag |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
187
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:44:00 -
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Seeker's's wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote:Rus cannot defeat our superior advanced posting, so must turn to blobbing with pages on pages of monkeys mashing out one line of "+1 nerf centries plz.." Next they shall be crying to CCP to put a much harsher character limit in place and to ban anyone capable of stringing together more than 3 words that haven't just been copied from someone else.
It is a nice mirror of the situation in game. Gosh, your coalition are so afraid that CCP just nerfs carriers instead of consistent improvement of game mechanics (and I rly understand your concern) that you prefer to remain blind to a huge problem and to shitpost any topic on this subject.
Questions:
Who are the bulk of posters in these 17 pages?
Who had a forum KTA?
How consistently are the posts that actually contain any content beyond mindless repasting the same thing exclusively about addressing the lag that you guys say is from drones and not some whinging about the need to nerf the effectiveness of a certain weapon type?
What proof has been provided that it is in fact drones causing this lag and not say... a couple thousand people all being present at the same time? Have you ever been in a system with more than 50 people undocking at once? Ever noticed the huge declines in tidi after 200 people jump out- even though most likely there has been even more sentries out than before? |
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