The problem is client-side lag, not server-side.
Turn off drone models and their brackets. Problem solved

uaaaaaaaaaau .. tears ... so delicious

nom nom nom


anyway, on a more serious note.
CCP nerfed areaDD at goons request, because, well, goons could not win.
CCP nerfed sensor boosters at goons request, well, you know, old vets like BoB could pwn them too far away since they didn't had the skills :THEHORROR:..

Then goons discover that NANO was too much, they where getting owned left and right in their ratting pastures. :cry cry cry: and CCP nerfs.

Goons jump into a system bubbled? too many bubbles? NO PROBLEMO, batphone CCP they will remove them for us.

Now getting owned by sentry drones .. what do to? lemme see.. AH YES! let's bat phone CCP once more. ALWAYS WORKED IN THE PAST why not once more?

Next on the cry list: REMOVE caps from game, since goons out number everyone, it's game over for everyone else.

Then, remove MWD, make sure hostiles cant run away.

Why not nerf skilling speed? OLDER chars like SirMolle etc can skill SLOWER so goons and buddies catch up?

Why not make WARP BUBBLES affect only the hostiles and NOT those that are blue to the bubble owner? Goons love sabres..

Last time we escalated with 250 dreads, N3 escalated with 40 titans and then what? Exactly, node crashed 10-15 minutes later.

I'm pretty sure neither N3 nor PL enjoy 1% lagfests till 6am, but on the other hand you have no more options left other than abusing carrier fleets. Ok, no problem, but lets ask CCP to fix massive drone blobs at least.

Last time we escalated with 250 dreads, N3 escalated with 40 titans and then what? Exactly, node crashed 10-15 minutes later.

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.

Now getting owned by sentry drones .. what do to? lemme see.. AH YES! let's bat phone CCP once more. ALWAYS WORKED IN THE PAST why not once more?
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PL have a forum CTA or something?

edit:double

are you sure the lag is not from the 1500 blue you have in local?

E.i. creating massive lag in nullsec warfare and causing node crashes, thus making the most advertised aspect of this game completly unplayable.

Your current work looks like this: https://cloclo9.datacloudmail.ru/weblink/view/78b637324992/in_ccp_we_trust.png

But you need to address this issue asap. One of possible solutions: enable drone grouping option like it was done with guns or something similar.

It seems rusrus are as having a forum KTA as well (also Sentry is spelled with an SSSSSSSSSSSS)

CCP has stated its not the drones or number of drones, its errors that come when trying to process that many units on field at once, which they are fixing.

Call to arms, not Kallll

Some of you too blind to see the message.

We do not ask for sentry/carriers, etc nerf


We want carriers to cause less lags, while saving their characteristics.

may be make less drones for carriers, while boosting their(drones) dps/ehp?

PL have a forum CTA or something?

You can't be that stupid not to notice the fact that drones cause 80% of the lags, not 2k ppl.

Hi Pot, my name's Kettle.



So there is never tidi when like 100 subcaps do something outrageous like... undock? And there's never any tidi with 2k people as long as there's no slowcats there?

You're deluded at worst, mentally challenged at best if you genuinely think that.

LOL Nice contradiction there buddy.

Create a stacking penalty for Drone Link Augmenters.

Being able to fight from Close to Super Long Range with one ship is game-breaking for null-sec fights.

Fix centry drones! No Lags!

we now speak not about number and about lags from use of a large number of drones

Despite what people think we simply use whatever ship comp we need to use to be able to handle the task at hand. When you are fighting a foe that brings Domis , Phoons , Tengus , Ishtars , Bombers , Ceptors & other fleet comps at the same time and outnumbers you on average 4:1 you need a durable fleet comp. Slowcats & Wrecking Ball provide that . The hostiles knowing we are going to bring slowcats have a multitude of options on how to deal with us. The most obvious one is using there own capitals and supercapitals. The gist is there is counterplay to slowcats and wreckingball. Which is the definition of balanced gameplay in a sandbox.

All I see is butt hurt here. Drones are not broke. They just aren't how rusrus/goons like em.

So, 8 hours laggfest(30-40 min in eve) causing by 250 carriers is ok, and server working fine? 250 ships is creating laggs more than 2k f*ck*ng subcaps, do CCP think it's normal?

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This is my impression of a DD/AAA RUSRUS poster.

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did manny ping minusten or something

Fix centry drones!

doesn't that make drones broken if they can only be countered by lag inducing AoE damage

Why cant drones be viewed as a "grouped" weapon when they are assisted. Instead of having 9 calls to the server you have one per person. Seems like a simple solution that would reduce the load greatly.

Despite what people think we simply use whatever ship comp we need to use to be able to handle the task at hand. When you are fighting a foe that brings Domis , Phoons , Tengus , Ishtars , Bombers , Ceptors & other fleet comps at the same time and outnumbers you on average 4:1 you need a durable fleet comp. Slowcats & Wrecking Ball provide that . The hostiles knowing we are going to bring slowcats have a multitude of options on how to deal with us. The most obvious one is using there own capitals and supercapitals. The gist is there is counterplay to slowcats and wreckingball. Which is the definition of balanced gameplay in a sandbox.


Now drones are entities much like missiles once were. The same missiles AAA & Stainwagon used with wild abandon despite the fact that using a missile based concept caused massive lag. They didn't use missile base ships to intentionally cause lag they used them because it was the best tool they had at their disposal. Do drones need to be reworked so they don't create excessive server load? Maybe so maybe not only CCP can answer that. As CCP stated in regards to the last few node crashes they had nothing to do with server load and everything to do with a error in the code.



I think the discussion CCP is having about drone assign is the correct approach. Its not a question of is this or that overpowered . Instead they are looking at it from the pov of : How much control should of your ship should you give over to another person. So things like fleet warps are part of that question. I personally think bombers are way overpowered. In heavy TIDI there is near 0 counterplay to stopping bombers. Since bombers can warp cloaked together you have 0 warning till they decloak and launch bombs and tidi removes the problem of having fast reactions. So bombers are already prepared to drop their bombs and warp off.

Need fix lags (TD) because of drones and fix alfa damage from assist drones. Currently gameplay broken.

Lets start with the objective well-balanced game conception, which CCP has been feeding us for years: every ship has its combat role and niche. But with carrier blobs what we really get is all sub-caps (xept suicide dictors) are totally useless once carriers are deployed, because any subcapital ship within 200k range from carriers gets instapoped, including ceptors orbiting carrier blob at 40k. There was once an ultimate anti-subcap weapon for titans, maybe even twice with tracking version and sub-cap dd, remember what happened to it?

I don't think there really should be an ultimate cap ship which cuts down all sub-cap classes. And even sieged dreads melt under carrier focused fire like matches, one by one. Speaking of dreads btw, they do have own niche of anti-battleship capitals, which is ok and relatively balanced. But not carriers. I'm pretty sure even 100 dreads will lose to 100 carriers. Is it intended game mechanic as well?

I personally know a few ways to counter carrier blobs with capitals, but the problem is still the lag: dreadnaught guns cycle for 3-5 min, sc fb's get smartbombed (which you have plenty of time to fit in TD) after gettign a few carrier kills and even titan doomsdays are not the solution, because they have about 2 hour cooldown. So you end up with having 20-30 kills for the whole night of fighting, not even mentioning the node survival chance And this exactly is the matter of my concern.

Also I agree that bombers are currently OP.

It's funny that OP has nothing to do with either drone assist or carrier OP-ness, but while you're at this dumb preventive damage control, lets have a chat on subj.

Lets start with the objective well-balanced game conception, which CCP has been feeding us for years: every ship has its combat role and niche. But with carrier blobs what we really get is all sub-caps (xept suicide dictors) are totally useless once carriers are deployed, because any subcapital ship within 200k range from carriers gets instapoped, including ceptors orbiting carrier blob at 40k. There was once an ultimate anti-subcap weapon for titans, maybe even twice with tracking version and sub-cap dd, remember what happened to it?

I don't think there really should be an ultimate cap ship which cuts down all sub-cap classes. And even sieged dreads melt under carrier focused fire like matches, one by one. Speaking of dreads btw, they do have own niche of anti-battleship capitals, which is ok and relatively balanced. But not carriers. I'm pretty sure even 100 dreads will lose to 100 carriers. Is it intended game mechanic as well?

I personally know a few ways to counter carrier blobs with capitals, but the problem is still the lag: dreadnaught guns cycle for 3-5 min, sc fb's get smartbombed (which you have plenty of time to fit in TD) after gettign a few carrier kills and even titan doomsdays are not the solution, because they have about 2 hour cooldown. So you end up with having 20-30 kills for the whole night of fighting, not even mentioning the node survival chance And this exactly is the matter of my concern.

Also I agree that bombers are currently OP.

this dude just copy pasted something from google translate and has no idea whats going on.

Bring even numbers to all fights and ill fly something other than subcaps. Don't say to me to make more friends because all 0.0 pilots are either on your side or mine and your side is much much much larger. I would love to fly a BS concept or a T3 concept and have a fighting chance but when you are so greatly outnumbered by such a diversity of fleet comps you must go to a tank concept. Slowcats are the tank. So your side then has a choice to counter slowcats by using your own capitals and supercapitals. To this point you fail to make that leap and one can speculate why. But that is your problem not mine and not CCP's. We are not flying some spaceship that your party doesn't have access too. This isn't 2004 where most of the game couldn't use T2 guns making those that can overpowered. This is 2013 in a game thats been around for 10 years. You're group has very old alliances and players within it. You have carriers you have dreadnaughts you have supercarriers you have titans. Use them and stop crying "UNFAIR UNFAIR".

I am sorry that a knife loses in a gun fight 99% of the time. I am sorry that a machine gun will kill better than a pistol. I am sorry that a grenade will kill better than a machine gun. I am sorry a bomb will kill better than a grenade. " ITS UNFAIR WHY CANT I KILL THE GUY USING A IED WITH MY BUTTER KNIFE". Moron go buy a nuke.

Give dreadnaughts cannons assist without lock!!!

Maybe if you bring short range dreads to the fight you wouldn't have to do that?

Maybe you lock target? before cause damage.

Bring even numbers to all fights and ill fly something other than subcaps. Don't say to me to make more friends because all 0.0 pilots are either on your side or mine and your side is much much much larger. I would love to fly a BS concept or a T3 concept and have a fighting chance but when you are so greatly outnumbered by such a diversity of fleet comps you must go to a tank concept.

Slowcats are the tank. So your side then has a choice to counter slowcats by using your own capitals and supercapitals. To this point you fail to make that leap and one can speculate why. But that is your problem not mine and not CCP's. We are not flying some spaceship that your party doesn't have access too. This isn't 2004 where most of the game couldn't use T2 guns making those that can overpowered. This is 2013 in a game thats been around for 10 years. You're group has very old alliances and players within it. You have carriers you have dreadnaughts you have supercarriers you have titans. Use them and stop crying "UNFAIR UNFAIR".

I am sorry that a knife loses in a gun fight 99% of the time. I am sorry that a machine gun will kill better than a pistol. I am sorry that a grenade will kill better than a machine gun. I am sorry a bomb will kill better than a grenade. " ITS UNFAIR WHY CANT I KILL THE GUY USING A IED WITH MY BUTTER KNIFE". Moron go buy a nuke.

You can't be that stupid not to notice the fact that drones cause 80% of the lags, not 2k ppl.

Food for thought: Are sentry drones too good, or do all other drones suck?

We understand it and we have no problem with you using best game mechanics against subcap blob.

CCP should somehow fix drone lags (they fixed missiles after-all).

Fights, when there are 180+ carriers bubbled by 100 man fleet (around 390 ppl in local, i was there) shouldn't cause 10% ti-di.
It should be brutal and fast, for both sides.

By reducing the lag caused by drones the chance of dealing with carrier blob is increaced significantly.

it seems strange that carriers can use sentries which are effectively battleship sized guns and they are OP to boot....
remove drones from carriers
remove drone assist mechanic

How do you know exactly that drones cause those lags btw?
There are rumors that it has something to do with tons of crap in cargo. The unified inventory, when introduced, was a completely broken feature, and had huge performance issues. CCP did some quick urgent band-aid, and proceeded to creating shiny white ships. So imo these rumors look quite probable.

But it should be balanced of course. Once again, sentries are down-sized "weapon" type. Fighters, the "natural" size, are not used almost at all. Why?

it seems strange that carriers can use sentries which are effectively battleship sized guns and they are OP to boot....
remove drones from carriers
remove drone assist mechanic

Give dreadnaughts cannons assist without lock!!!

Battleships can use Cruiser sized weapons.
Battlecruisers can us Battleship sized weapons.
Cruisers can use Frigate sized weapons.
Why break the chain?

Angry Russians.


Angry Russians Everywhere.

Angry Russians.
Angry Russians Everywhere.

Much of an argument.
Dunked.

because of tons and tons of drones and in the end resulted in node crash

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.

So nobody disagrees that TiDi, caused by drones should be fixed somehow?

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.

Or immature people, saying "Angry Russians" think that TiDi should be there and we should live in 0.0 where anybody can use it as exploit?

Well CCP seems to disagree...

They didnt say drones dont cause TIDI. Or did I read it wrong?

Both sides use drone doctrines. If CFCRUS are complaining about issues from such doctrines, maybe they shouldn't be contributing to their own pain.

This thread is what happens when baddies post a terrible thread, and then tell everyone in Jabber to go agree with them.

Therefore, drones =/= the problem, blobs are.

oh yeah -A- who is loosing this war miserably, suddenly come to forums and bothers about overall game balance, not of their own interest or something ofc, no, god forbid!

Much of an argument.
Dunked.

TLDR: Remove sentry Assist or allow guns to be assistable

-a- vs -a- is amusing

TiDi occur more often when carrier-drone doctrine is used. So higher load is produced by drones, not by your fictional "blob".
What we're asking in this thread is that CCP to look into this issue and fix that high load.

Veritas posted saying that the drones haven't actually caused the latest node crashes, despite you pro-blobbers insisting that they do

Veritas didnt even mention about drones.

System with 8000+ abandoned sentry drones was lagging whole day (until they were removed by petition)
With only 50 ppl in local, grid was loading for a few minutes. Do you really like it that way?


There is no need to fix carriers or drone assist...just fix lags caused by them, goddamit!

So, 8 hours laggfest(30-40 min in eve) causing by 250 carriers is ok, and server working fine? 250 ships is creating laggs more than 2k f*ck*ng subcaps, do CCP think it's normal?

uaaaaaaaaaau .. tears ... so delicious

nom nom nom


anyway, on a more serious note.
CCP nerfed areaDD at goons request, because, well, goons could not win.
CCP nerfed sensor boosters at goons request, well, you know, old vets like BoB could pwn them too far away since they didn't had the skills :THEHORROR:..

Then goons discover that NANO was too much, they where getting owned left and right in their ratting pastures. :cry cry cry: and CCP nerfs.

Goons jump into a system bubbled? too many bubbles? NO PROBLEMO, batphone CCP they will remove them for us.

Now getting owned by sentry drones .. what do to? lemme see.. AH YES! let's bat phone CCP once more. ALWAYS WORKED IN THE PAST why not once more?

Next on the cry list: REMOVE caps from game, since goons out number everyone, it's game over for everyone else.

Then, remove MWD, make sure hostiles cant run away.

Why not nerf skilling speed? OLDER chars like SirMolle etc can skill SLOWER so goons and buddies catch up?

Why not make WARP BUBBLES affect only the hostiles and NOT those that are blue to the bubble owner? Goons love sabres..

fix sentry assist and this will fix tidi.

who not prevent carriers from abandoning drones that aren't scrammed/webbed?
or - you know - prevent them from abandoning at all?

fix goon lag please!

look at those DoD dudes crying at ccp for help to win their war

Dear designers/developers, I would very much like you to gift me with sentry drones that don't lag the grid to **** this year, thank you and can hardly wait.
Cherio!

just the usual

actually anybody with a brain can comprehend that it is not drones fault there is lag , but the blobbing goons
what if drone lag would be fixed?
goons just would bring twice the numbers and now they would cry about fix railgun lag or something
so to fix this problem goons should be fixed --> hit them with the nerfhammer yarrr