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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:37:00 -
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Not a good idea. This character is a year old with 25m SP. She would join the 100m SP club in an instant if this were brought in. Not to mention killing the character bazaar.
Anyway, this has been done to death at least a hundred times.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Anomaly One
157
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:54:00 -
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Everyone would quit
What a dumbass idea
We really need a downvote button
Never forget.
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Trust me, I'm an Anomaly.
DUST 514 FOR PC |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
395
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:00:00 -
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Why not let us Remove some Unwanted/Unused Skills with PLEX.
I DO NOT want the skill points or price of the skill books reimbursed.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
The Volition Cult
644
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:16:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Why not let us Remove some Unwanted/Unused Skills with PLEX.
I DO NOT want the skill points or price of the skill books reimbursed.
As this is a different request to the OP, please post your own thread with your own request rather than derailing the OP's. Mind you, you could just do a quick search of past requests similar and the same as yours and see how little support that one gets as well.
As an aside, you also might want to get some medical help for that OCD you're obviously suffering from. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:08:00 -
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These are many of the arguments I have discerned so far about why we should not be able to buy skillpoints. I'm sure I missed a few:
Quote:Skillpoints matter:
Buying skillpoints is paying to win, and paying to win is bad.
EVE would die because veteran players would see all their hard earned advantages evaporate when Bill Gates and Barrack Obama bought everyone infinite skillpoints to play internet spaceships, thus causing the veteran players to quit en mass.
Veteran players deserve to have more skillpoints and thus advantage because they didn't just pay money; they paid time to earn those skillpoints and that advantage.
Veteran players would dominate the game if you could buy skillpoints, because veteran players can afford to buy more skillpoints than noobs.
New players should be satisfied with their inferiority.
Skillpoints don't matter:
A noob in a Rifter can kill a veteran in a Titan because skillpoints don't matter in this game, so allowing players to buy them would make no difference.
EVE would die because new players would buy a bunch of skillpoints but still suck at the game, which would cause them to quit en mass.
It doesn't matter whether skillpoints matter or don't matter:
The character bazaar makes it possible to buy skillpoints. There is no need for another option.
EVE is my game. Go find your own.
EVE is not a "fair" game.
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
55
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:15:00 -
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what you want sir - is the implant that allows you to train skills 3 times as fast, that plugs into slot 10, and can only be plugged into characters under 30d, (and will degrade when that character reaches 30d) |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
63
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:28:00 -
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The only things different than this proposal and the Character Bazaar are:
1. No one would be compensated but yourself and CCP when you add SP. When you buy "SP" currently (ie buy a toon in the Character Bizarre with more than yourself) the difference is an ingame toon gets paid in addition to the transfer fees.....hmmmmm?
2. Old toons defend the status quo that greatly benefits themselves.....who knew?
Nothing posted that I have seen is seems to be anything more than that...other than the one post that suggested we might all spend our isk on SP to the detriment of other goods and services thus ruining the economy. The rest of the posts reek of protecting self interest, not in making Eve a better game.
/carry on |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
165
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:32:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:How does it help a new player to 'catch up' if older players are suddenly gaining millions of extra SP? Because older players already have complete frig/dessie skills. Newer players could buy a month or two and no longer be fodder.
Do you even know how long it takes to gather 600M+ for a new player? This would not help new players in absolutely no way whatsoever, instead it makes it all a lot more harder for them. Not just catching up on skill points, but also affording a real-money free gameplay via plexing their account(s). |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
63
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:32:00 -
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Crazy Legs Finnigan wrote:This idea is horrible. I'm going to wardec your corp OP
Let me guess. You grown toons in a vat with isk from your corp and then sell them in the Character Bizarre?
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Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
63
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:33:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:Danika Princip wrote:How does it help a new player to 'catch up' if older players are suddenly gaining millions of extra SP? Because older players already have complete frig/dessie skills. Newer players could buy a month or two and no longer be fodder. Do you even know how long it takes to gather 600M+ for a new player? This would not help new players in absolutely no way whatsoever, instead it makes it all a lot more harder for them. Not just catching up on skill points, but also affording a real-money free gameplay via plexing their account(s).
Do you know how long it takes someone with a job to earn $20? Minutes.
Where do you think those PLEX for sale come from? |
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
412
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:12:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Dr Sraggles wrote:
Who cares if an old toon suddenly has Carrier 5?
Would not the game benefit from more players with Frigate 5?
Everyone with balance in mind cares. The game benefits from players with longevity in mind, not want it now get board 20 minutes later. Eve is not WoW in space and it's skill system is nothing like it either. It is one of the best systems I've come across and allows new players to compete very early on.
This.
The day they allow the purchase of SP is the day to biomass your characters and move on.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1746
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:02:00 -
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OP seems to be blind. He cannot see that the self-interests we defend here are not the ones he accuses us of defending. He cannot see that many of us "veterans" for whom he has such an irrational and intense dislike are actually defending the game we enjoy and not our wallets (certainly not my wallet, I don't make any money from any of this).
OP's initial and subsequent posts as well as his continued belittling of any and all detractors and dissenters shows that he lacks something very important that the skill-over-time system is designed to allow the development of: An understanding of EVE, its mechanics and how everything works. He is either ignoring or unaware of the importance that experience has, instead believing like so many others that having skillpoints, a T2 ship and expensive modules are all you need to win. While this may be (and oftentimes is) true in other games, it does not apply in EVE whatsoever.
Even a perfect fitting, if such a thing could ever exist, on the strongest ship in the game (again, if such a thing actually existed), will be quickly rendered into scrap metal and dropped loot if the pilot is unable to fly that ship effectively. In EVE, it isn't so much about skillpoints and ships and modules as it is about gameplay skills.
Gameplay skills are an ability that you cannot buy even with ten thousand PLEX.
OP is on a crusade against something he views as possibly evil and absolutely damaging to the game, all the while completely unwilling to accept that his own ideal may be what's actually dangerous, simply because the ones telling him as much are the very veterans he despises and holds bias against.
OP lacks a basic understanding of where the power in EVE actually comes from (no, OP, officer modules aren't as amazing as you seem to think they are) and wishes to overturn everything just to sate his own impatience and dare I say it, ignorance.
OP, like so many others who have come creeping around the F&I forums lately, has no understanding of what "pay to win" actually means; he and all the others sling it around at every opportunity like a catchphrase, club motto or a magic phrase that should dismiss any arguments against them and make their own points utterly irrefutable. Unfortunately for them, this is not the case.
OP, if you cannot understand why your idea is unequivocally terrible, you have not played EVE long enough to make such a suggestion in the first place. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
48
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:22:00 -
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Skill points are the only thing sacred to this game, a common grind from the paupers to the market tycoons.
This would kill what is at the heart of Eve. The holy skill que. The reason I log in on the third day of my vacation, for 30 seconds.
The idea proposed kills it in ways that have been adaquetely explained. For shame op, for shame. |
Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned
Ace of Spades.
65
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:30:00 -
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Buying skill points with plex will instantly decimate a large player base.
If people would be able to buy skill points with plexes, this would immediatly become an immensely popular use of it. Prices of plexes would immediatly sky rocket, and the amount of available plexes would immediatly drop significantly. What would this mean for the new player. This would mean that a 500M plex suddenly would become a 500B plex Since you litterly have players and alliances with multi trillions to spend. The'd become the so called "godfathers" hordeing all free available plexes. The new player, can't afford a plex with ingame currency anymore.
At the same point older players, especially those that play regularly on a monhtly basis, and don't subscribe to the game anymore but play it purely by earning enough isk monthly to buy plexes to afford there accounts, suddenly have no available plexes to buy, and thus either have to start paying real live money again, or quit. Because a number of these money makers provide with a substantional amount of the mining, building and tradeing, multiple aspects of the economy will die out as well. In the mean time, the new player still hasn't been able to buy a plex.
Because the manufacturers are now fewer, and the gathered resources are now fewer, items become more and more expensive. Tradeing will stagnate, wich will encourage more people to train and build there own stuff, wich in turn will stagnate tradeing even more.
At this time the "godfathers" will start lureing other people over to do their bidding, Their hoarded plexes, will instigate a "if you suicide gank this and that entity 10x, you'll be rewarded a plex" The newer player, who happens to belong to that entity will find himself beeing harrased more and more and will have a verry displeaseing experiance with eve. Eventually many will leave, and instead of telling others how much fun Eve can be, the'll tell people not to play that game.
Your total playerpool will shrink even further.
In the mean time, only real life rich people will benefit, the'll be able to buy plexes, and sell a few to get billions of isk, and use the other ones to speed up their training. Confident that the've maxed there skills, and bought the shiniest ship with the shiniest modules they head outside of a station, Where it will instantly get suicide ganked, cause its something shiny. Haveng spend hundreds of dollars / euros / insert currency those rich people will say "screw this game"
Eventually Eve will be dead, just because unlike a few million people who have played this game for over a decade, one single new player wanted to get some extra skill points |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
48
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:12:00 -
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Kesthely wrote:Buying skill points with plex will instantly decimate a large player base.
Spells out armegeddon
Eventually Eve will be dead, just because unlike a few million people who have played this game for over a decade, one single new player wanted to get some extra skill points
Any number of things could happen, there are a lot of assumptions in the above post but the end result is you upset the majority of the player base which I believe to be the truth. Cats marrying dogs, total anarchy. |
D'ni Pyremere
Blackwater Academy.
Against ALL Anomalies
1
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:57:00 -
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This is blatant pay-to-win and that would destroy the game. To address your "bling" factor, yes, officer mods do give you nice bonuses for billions of ISK you put at risk every time you fly your ship. In addition that ISK investment may transfer at least in part to your killer when they loot your wreck. To use Estamel's Adaptive Invulnerability Field as an example, you would be lucky to even FIND one for sale firstly, secondly people are OFFERING over 16 billion just to get one of them. Let's stick with good ol' Estamel and take a look at Estamel's Modified 425mm Railgun. Average price? 1.2 billion. Then consider most ships will fit at least 4, some as many as 8. So tell me, how exactly does the cost and associated risk of officer modules line up with buying skill points?
Early TL;DR: Buying skill points is a no risk pay-to-win option. Buying officer modules is a very high risk option with tens of or even hundreds of billions of ISK on the line.
When it comes to providing extra skill points to players there is only one system I think I would support. That being awarding players extra skill points for actually playing the game. If you are actively hunting down NPCs or other players you would be rewarded extra skill points directly proportional to the enemy killed. Much like a traditional EXP system. This would lessen the issue of people simple sitting in stations waiting for SP and encourage more active players. And as long as these skill point awards were scaled to the current skill points they wouldn't give older players an advantage. If you have 100 million SP you shouldn't get any SP for killing frigs. Or perhaps a better option would be to base it on the power of the ship being used. Ships get reduced SP for killing ships smaller than themselves (or of lower tech level), full SP for killing ships of equal size, and bonus SP for killing larger ships.
But even this idea would get no support. People like the current system. Let them like it. It isn't bad anyway. New players can do TONS. You can even do a lot in PvP. You just need to learn the ropes. Now the prior comment of a Rifter killing a Titan? Come on... Really? More like a Rifter orbits a Titan shooting it for eternity and a day, does so little damage the Ttian pilot doesn't even notice he is there until 3 days later, calls in a small ship and has the Rifter killed... But just because a frigate can't solo the biggest ships in the game doesn't mean a frigate like a Rifter is useless in PvP by any means. Frigates can really pis |
TehCloud
Mastercard.
191
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:24:00 -
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I can't believe how shortsighted people can be.
Everyone even remotely suggesting that buying SP for real money should be a valid idea should have his forum permissions revoked immediatly.
My Condor costs less than that module! |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
63
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:58:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:I can't believe how shortsighted people can be.
Everyone even remotely suggesting that buying SP for real money should be a valid idea should have his forum permissions revoked immediatly.
Do realize there is such a thing as the Character Bizarre and it happens every day that people buy SP for cash because they bought the Plex with cash? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2112
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:18:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:TehCloud wrote:I can't believe how shortsighted people can be.
Everyone even remotely suggesting that buying SP for real money should be a valid idea should have his forum permissions revoked immediatly. Do realize there is such a thing as the Character Bizarre and it happens every day that people buy SP for cash because they bought the Plex with cash?
Buying a character off the bazarr is not the same as buying SP.
A character from the bazarr has been trained up just like every one else, often times for years.
Also a character will never sell for less than (its age in days * (cost of plex /30))
Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:45:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Training Amarr BS 1 takes minutes, then bling can make a huge difference in performance. Using one Plex to get Amarr BS 5 is the end of the world?
Please tell me who is flying T1 Battleships with only level 1 skills and with officer mods. Also tell me when they log on and where they fly them. Thanks. |
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Ludaman
The Bad Boy's
The Bad Boy's II
0
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:07:00 -
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The only way skill Points wise I could see helping new players and not killing the PLEX system, is to give the new players 1 or 2 mil SP after their first 30 days.
I say after the first 30 days so they will have an Idea of how to use it. |
Sigras
Conglomo
648
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:19:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:TehCloud wrote:I can't believe how shortsighted people can be.
Everyone even remotely suggesting that buying SP for real money should be a valid idea should have his forum permissions revoked immediatly. Do realize there is such a thing as the Character Bizarre and it happens every day that people buy SP for cash because they bought the Plex with cash?
Do you realize that the character bazaar (note the spelling) does not create the same problems of SP inflation I talked about earlier?
Do you realize that growing characters for the character bazaar is a perfectly ligament way to make ISK which would be put out of business with your awful suggestion?
Do you realize that this is the same reason that buying PLEX and selling them for ISK is ok, but CCP selling ISK directly would not be?
Do you realize the difference between an open market with fluctuating prices and a static set amount?
Do you realize that this is the whole point of EvE? |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:21:00 -
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OP Summary: I want instant skillpoints and I wish to hide my desire for instant gratification under the guise of helping noobies. Even though my proposal ironically benefits older and richer players exponentially more. |
Scuzzy Logic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:21:00 -
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Let me explain it this way:
This idea would disadvantage early adopters of EVE.
Like seeding more T2 BPOs using the same lottery system the older players benefitted from, CCP will never do it again due to oldfag tears and MUH INFLATION. (Secret: CCP seeded a Gold Magnate (a collector ship never to be seeded again) into a private lottery which was leaked to be rigged and no one gave a rats ass somehow.)
Oldfags comprise the vast majority of the nullsec blocs, which in turn manipulate CCP in almsot every conceivable way short of waterboarding the devs on their way to work.
Hence, your idea will never happen.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
902
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:34:00 -
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Scuzzy Logic wrote:Let me explain it this way:
This idea would disadvantage early adopters of EVE.
Like seeding more T2 BPOs using the same lottery system the older players benefitted from, CCP will never do it again due to oldfag tears and MUH INFLATION. (Secret: CCP seeded a Gold Magnate (a collector ship never to be seeded again) into a private lottery which was leaked to be rigged and no one gave a rats ass somehow.)
Oldfags comprise the vast majority of the nullsec blocs, which in turn manipulate CCP in almsot every conceivable way short of waterboarding the devs on their way to work.
Hence, your idea will never happen.
Actually, everyone gave a rats ass about that lottery you are referring to, and it was removed from said lottery.
T2 BPO lottery was a terrible thing, most people agree on that, the only reason they still exist is because T2 BPO removal is even worse potentially to investors. Since how do you follow the money train fairly. If I paid a billion for it, do I get it all back, what about the person who sold it, do they loose a billion? etc etc.
However, SP for Plex. Already exists, it's called a months skill time. Instant SP for Plex? Hell no. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
135
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Posted - 2014.01.14 05:17:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
However, SP for Plex. Already exists, it's called a months skill time. Instant SP for Plex? Hell no.
Please see: character bazaar
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
63
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Posted - 2014.01.14 05:17:00 -
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Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:OP Summary: I want instant skillpoints and I wish to hide my desire for instant gratification under the guise of helping noobies. Even though my proposal ironically benefits older and richer players exponentially more.
Respondents Summary:
"I got mine and don't want anyone to be able to quickly have as many SP as me. I do better Industry/Mining/PvP/PvE than people that don't have as many SP as I do and I want it to stay that way."
News Flash:
Eve is a tiny, no MINUSCULE game among online MMOs. The largest single reason for that is the months and months it take to create an effective toon. New players in general simply do not have a year to wait before they feel truly competitive in small gang pvp and can fly more than a t1 fit rifter.
I am quite impressed with the venom with which many defend a game that on it's busiest days has 50,000 players. Big games that are true successes have hundreds of times the number of players that also play it for years and years. Eve is not perfect. It is a good game that could be great but for some very clunky game mechanics not the least of which is the impossibility of improving your toon other than simply the passage of a very long time. |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.01.14 06:49:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:OP Summary: I want instant skillpoints and I wish to hide my desire for instant gratification under the guise of helping noobies. Even though my proposal ironically benefits older and richer players exponentially more. Respondents Summary: "I got mine and don't want anyone to be able to quickly have as many SP as me. I do better Industry/Mining/PvP/PvE than people that don't have as many SP as I do and I want it to stay that way." News Flash: Eve is a tiny, no MINUSCULE game among online MMOs. The largest single reason for that is the months and months it take to create an effective toon. New players in general simply do not have a year to wait before they feel truly competitive in small gang pvp and can fly more than a t1 fit rifter. I am quite impressed with the venom with which many defend a game that on it's busiest days has 50,000 players. Big games that are true successes have hundreds of times the number of players that also play it for years and years. Eve is not perfect. It is a good game that could be great but for some very clunky game mechanics not the least of which is the impossibility of improving your toon other than simply the passage of a very long time.
I'm quite wealthy in real life. Your proposal wouldn't disadvantage me other than perhaps ruining the entire game.
Also can you give citation that Eve Online's membership is due to the skillpoints system? Or did you just make that up :D
Most people I've introduced Eve to didn't want to play it because they weren't interested in internet spaceships. Not because of the skilpoints system which many actually applaud it for in contrast to the grindfest found in other MMOs. Also Eve Online is one of the few MMOs whose membership has consistently grown over a long period of time, in comparison to others which bloom upon release but then steadily decrease.
Eve isn't perfect. There are many faults. Not introducing plex for skillpoints isn't one of those flaws though.
*Edit
Also your statement that that it takes a year to be good is rubbish. Eve encourages specialisation. There are many pilots 2-3 years old that don't fly anything other than frigates. They have the skills to fly capitals but deliberately choose to just fly frigates because that's what's fun to them. Being a fleet tackler or a solo frig pilot doesn't take that long and is something a new player can achieve in a relatively short time in a manner which older players don't have any advantage over other than perhaps PvP experience.
And before you say something stupid like "older players can fit officer modules on their frigs".... no... just no. Or if that's something you do. Please tell me when and where you fly :) |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
388
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Posted - 2014.01.14 07:10:00 -
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OP I applaud you for your epic troll that has now hit almost 6 pages. Strategically ignoring well thought out posts and examples, hitting veterans of the game in soft squishy spots that effect 'feelings'. 9.5/10
On the off chance that you are actually illiterate and have failed to read the logical posts, please re-read the entire thread and address the real issues of your proposal.
- How are you going to stop veteran players from using there already substantial amounts of isk to buy up the plex market in game in the first hours after the announcement of the change? This would inflate the price of plex and remove a significant amount of players from the game within months.
- Using ISBoxer a player can control many accounts at the same time, performing the same action, CCP has not deemed this against the EULA. What is stopping a rich player from making an army of alts and 'solo' pvp you with dozens of similarly named characters? While this can happen now, not many people want to put the time or effort into putting dozens of toons in the same ships with the same skills.
- Lets say I'm a new player. I download the game, buy 100 mil skill points (approx. 720 dollars) at this point I have effectively maxed out my skills for pvp. I buy a shiny fit faction battleship looking for a fight, and end up getting concorded or ganked because I don't understand the game mechanics. And the losses will continue until I quit or learn the very hard way. How do you address this?
If you can give me well thought out, and good answers to these three simple questions/scenario's, I will support your idea.
I invite you, convince me you're right, ignore this post and you're just another dirty troll and I'll request a thread lock.
MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.-á -Garresh- |
Sigras
Conglomo
648
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Posted - 2014.01.14 07:18:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:OP Summary: I want instant skillpoints and I wish to hide my desire for instant gratification under the guise of helping noobies. Even though my proposal ironically benefits older and richer players exponentially more. Respondents Summary: "I got mine and if someone else wants to get theres instantly they can go to the character bazaar and get one from a system that doesnt completely inflate the SP market to where they are meaningless and useless"
FTFY
Of course you dont want to use the character bazaar because "WAH WAH WAH I DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH THEIR CHARACTER, I WANT TO PLAY WITH MY CHARACTER BUT AT THEIR SP LEVEL NOW NOW NOW!!!!!!1111ONE"
Dr Sraggles wrote:News Flash:
Eve is a tiny, no MINUSCULE game among online MMOs. The largest single reason for that is the months and months it take to create an effective toon. New players in general simply do not have a year to wait before they feel truly competitive in small gang pvp and can fly more than a t1 fit rifter.
Your perception that it takes months and months to create an "effective toon" is part of why nobody in this thread respects you. If you think SP really matters you're dead wrong. Ive seen T1 rifters take out fleet stabbers because their pilot knew exactly what he was doing, and if you dont know what you're doing, no amount of SP is going to fix stupidity.
Dr Sraggles wrote:I am quite impressed with the venom with which many defend a game that on it's busiest days has 50,000 players. Big games that are true successes have hundreds of times the number of players that also play it for years and years. Eve is not perfect. It is a good game that could be great but for some very clunky game mechanics not the least of which is the impossibility of improving your toon other than simply the passage of a very long time.
First of all, I bet the owners of CCP make more than you do, friend . . .
second, Eve is a game that takes skill to play; im not talking about SP, im talking about real player skill from the person sitting at the computer. It is a game of long term strategy and delayed gratification. If you want instant gratification and someone to tell you how good a job you're doing every time you turn in a wolf pelt WoW is >>>>>>>>>> that way
The SP system of "wide not deep" is ingenious and allows for new players to compete with the best PvPers quickly by specializing and disciplining themselves.
Eve is a hardcore game that rewards forethought and planning, the WORST thing you could do is make it more like other games. That is why Eve is the only game with steady growth over 10 years.
If like the way other games do it so much why dont you go play them? im sure enough of them have gone free to play for you to take your pic. Dont worry Im sure the instant gratification mindset had nothing to do with their failure . . . |
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