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Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:18:00 - [91] Originally by: ***take Edited by: ***take on 23/03/2006 08:11:24 Originally by: DigitalCommunist 0.0 people shouldn't be complaining about event consentuality No offense DC, but I distinctly remember a considerable number of complaints by BoB members (includingd yourself) about some Serpentis showing up in Fountain not so long ago and killing a Dread I believe and a bunch of battleships? But that's not my point. It seems that even if the event team's Gurristas were NOT there, the POS was doomed anyways based on the gang size intending to remove it. I do not know why there are now 3 threads about this with IRON/G folks complaining about it. It's just a single POS and I'm betting that if it was offline it was due more to bad management by its operator than the event team. The reason WHY I COMPLAIN are those "ACCIDENTS" regarding the ISD involvement. Maybe their involvment wouldn't have mattered today - but who can assure us that it won't happen again under such circumstances ... if they can backup their acting with a well-though story it's more than ok ... if they attack outnumbered an enemy of their faction it's ok - the defenders get the fun AND the loot. But interferring in quite balanced conflicts is imho a no-no ... _________________________________________ Originally by: Skellibjalla Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. Originally by: Tool - Hush I can't say what I want to,even if I'm not serious.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:18:00 - [92] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte so my conclusio: 1. the guristas didn't change the outcome (hence ... even if they were on our side ... it wouldn't have mattered) agreed Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte 3. why the hell is the event-team interferring in conflicts which were balanced? if it didnt effect the outcome in any way, how can it influence the balance? Cause we own D7 at day and you own D7 at night
Shittake	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:21:00 - [93] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: ***take Edited by: ***take on 23/03/2006 08:11:24 Originally by: DigitalCommunist 0.0 people shouldn't be complaining about event consentuality No offense DC, but I distinctly remember a considerable number of complaints by BoB members (includingd yourself) about some Serpentis showing up in Fountain not so long ago and killing a Dread I believe and a bunch of battleships? But that's not my point. It seems that even if the event team's Gurristas were NOT there, the POS was doomed anyways based on the gang size intending to remove it. I do not know why there are now 3 threads about this with IRON/G folks complaining about it. It's just a single POS and I'm betting that if it was offline it was due more to bad management by its operator than the event team. The reason WHY I COMPLAIN are those "ACCIDENTS" regarding the ISD involvement. Maybe their involvment wouldn't have mattered today - but who can assure us that it won't happen again under such circumstances ... if they can backup their acting with a well-though story it's more than ok ... if they attack outnumbered an enemy of their faction it's ok - the defenders get the fun AND the loot. But interferring in quite balanced conflicts is imho a no-no ... But I don't remember all the outrage from the G/IRON folks when BoB had a "bad day" with the event team? How is this different?
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:23:00 - [94] Originally by: **take Originally by:** Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: ***take Edited by: ***take on 23/03/2006 08:11:24 Originally by: DigitalCommunist 0.0 people shouldn't be complaining about event consentuality No offense DC, but I distinctly remember a considerable number of complaints by BoB members (includingd yourself) about some Serpentis showing up in Fountain not so long ago and killing a Dread I believe and a bunch of battleships? But that's not my point. It seems that even if the event team's Gurristas were NOT there, the POS was doomed anyways based on the gang size intending to remove it. I do not know why there are now 3 threads about this with IRON/G folks complaining about it. It's just a single POS and I'm betting that if it was offline it was due more to bad management by its operator than the event team. The reason WHY I COMPLAIN are those "ACCIDENTS" regarding the ISD involvement. Maybe their involvment wouldn't have mattered today - but who can assure us that it won't happen again under such circumstances ... if they can backup their acting with a well-though story it's more than ok ... if they attack outnumbered an enemy of their faction it's ok - the defenders get the fun AND the loot. But interferring in quite balanced conflicts is imho a no-no ... But I don't remember all the outrage from the G/IRON folks when BoB had a "bad day" with the event team? How is this different? Cause Im a ebil BoB/5 anti hateboy sucker and the rest of G doesnt post at all anyway. Also some people use right channels to express their grudge.
1naz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:24:00 - [95] Why are NPCs interfering negatively with player controlled content in such a massive way? Cheese.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte so my conclusio: 1. the guristas didn't change the outcome (hence ... even if they were on our side ... it wouldn't have mattered) agreed Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte 3. why the hell is the event-team interferring in conflicts which were balanced? if it didnt effect the outcome in any way, how can it influence the balance? Cause we own D7 at day and you own D7 at night i logged in at 18-19 eve time and never did G/IRON own anything this day in d7 (from the point i logged on, doesnt mean it was because of me , just cant speak for earlier) we had our fleet during prime time sitting at the hw gate and never got contested, we reached the gang peak around 22.15 eve time with 330-340 ppl in gang. Operation ended around 3-4 eve time (dont quote me here dead tired) with 100 ppl in gang oh appearently the gangsystem went broke at 330-340 ppl as it kicked at that point 100+ ppl from gang also TS had reached it limits with 500ppl at some point i think oO Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:26:00 - [97] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte so my conclusio: 1. the guristas didn't change the outcome (hence ... even if they were on our side ... it wouldn't have mattered) agreed Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte 3. why the hell is the event-team interferring in conflicts which were balanced? if it didnt effect the outcome in any way, how can it influence the balance? should have used different terms ... the guristas didn't changed the outcome of the BATTLE in a WAR which was quite well balanced BEFORE they entered the stage. afaik we had in the last days some nice battles - so why did the guristas intervene in this conflict? the following reasons for an involvement of the guristas(not from a rp side ... i think it's legitime, cause i couldn't find some rp backup to this event) a.) G/IRON/RZR were winning against F-E/.5 in d7-zac .. so they needed backup by the guristas b.) G/IRON/RZR and F-E/.5 were quite equal in the battles in d7-zac ... why do we need a involvement by a NPC-Faction?? let the skills of our FC decide .. so can someone explain it to me why they showed up?? c.) G/IRON/RZR were loosing against F-E/.5 ... could someone from ISD explain the bandwagon-warfare style?? so please tell me now ... have i forgotten something and/or missunderstood?? _________________________________________ Originally by: Skellibjalla Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. Originally by: Tool - Hush I can't say what I want to,even if I'm not serious.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte so my conclusio: 1. the guristas didn't change the outcome (hence ... even if they were on our side ... it wouldn't have mattered) agreed Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte 3. why the hell is the event-team interferring in conflicts which were balanced? if it didnt effect the outcome in any way, how can it influence the balance? Cause we own D7 at day and you own D7 at night i logged in at 18-19 eve time and never did G/IRON own anything this day in d7 (from the point i logged on, doesnt mean it was because of me , just cant speak for earlier) we had our fleet during prime time sitting at the hw gate and never got contested, we reached the gang peak around 22.15 eve time with 330-340 ppl in gang. Operation ended around 3-4 eve time (dont quote me here dead tired) with 100 ppl in gang oh appearently the gangsystem went broke at 330-340 ppl as it kicked at that point 100+ ppl from gang also TS had reached it limits with 500ppl at some point i think oO We killed off your POS at the afternoon , but such discussions are not point of this thread
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:29:00 - [99] Originally by: **take Originally by:** Ishquar Teh'Sainte But I don't remember all the outrage from the G/IRON folks when BoB had a "bad day" with the event team? How is this different? Don't know about this event ... must have been in my time before G ... i'd appreciate if you can give me a link to this event ... so not that i'm talking about things i don't know atm _________________________________________ Originally by: Skellibjalla Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. Originally by: Tool - Hush I can't say what I want to,even if I'm not serious.
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:32:00 - [100] Originally by: 1naz Why are NPCs interfering negatively with player controlled content in such a massive way? Cheese. This is the point. I get you to all read this again and again and again. It's this kinda thing that really annoys me as the battle was balanced out. There is no need to bring in alot of NPC's to start messing with player driven content! This will make me leave the game if it carries on. _______________________________ Waa it still too big not by much tho
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:33:00 - [101] @ Ishquar there is a background story behind that, most ppl just dont know it, as i dont know the details myself i wont spread anything that might be false so i'll leave it at that for now Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:35:00 - [102] Originally by: Nafri We killed off your POS at the afternoon , but such discussions are not point of this thread probably because i wasnt online, then you dare! agreed agreed not point of this thread Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:35:00 - [103] Let's just see what the event team say about it, then carry on flaming one another. To be honest, ig a Guristas fleet had jumped in and started taking pot shots at the F-E/5/Kaos/etc fleet; we'd have seen exactly the same thread. So let's all be cool.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:35:00 - [104] @ tiuwaz ... well .. if there's a background story for this event .. where can i find it?? should be posted somewhere ... can you at least tell me the name of the event?? i need something to feed eve-search.com _________________________________________ Originally by: Skellibjalla Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. Originally by: Tool - Hush I can't say what I want to,even if I'm not serious.
Well wicked	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:35:00 - [105] First off, BOB whined or what ever you want to call it when it happened to them.I think even in the fact it did, was alot different than now erm kay.Bigger conflict tipping the scales(that conflict). How many pos you kill in d7- before DEV got involved?5,FE plz tell.Also i wonder the time it takes you to put out the fire power of them dreads, how many passes or pilots would of been activated and picked off alot mroe fo your uber fleet??Don't act like this had no impact plz...unless your part retarded I guess. Also as stated before, the pos started having problems as this was about to happen...oh imagine that.Pos has troubles, things going offline no mail etc. and it happent o be the time the dev team are coming to engage.... Alot of bull** is what I smell.I think overall it's ok, the battle was one; maybe one you can actualy with clear head say you won.Looking at the killboards and visiting clear to see who has been winning most engagements. Also 300 person fleet you talk/brag about, you manned this fleet after you constantly *** that 60 person fleets lag you guys out and thats why been getting the short end of most engagements?.. or was it everyone and their dog logged on to help dev's take down a POS?...seems that's what it was.. DEV team took down a pos today good work.... I wish both mroe fun and real fights in thic conflict, it more the npc(devs whatever) that erk me,and 5/fe jumping on the wagon saying "omg our fleet,though".... simple fact is you had 5+ cap ships that even if lost would cost you nothing and add the fire power of everything.So stop acting like YOU did anything. -.- ncie fleet though i guess =\
Netto	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:51:00 - [106] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Indeed i am and it does look like it. So far the only two factions who havent really mobilzed yet are Sansha and the Covenant. Though Sansha did serve as target practice for the Angel Cartel and ASCN iirc. That's correct. We've had I believe 2 incursions by Sansha forces, and we assaulted one Sansha POS. Only the latter did Angels actually lend any ships to the battle. Was actually a lot of fun, minus the crazy ass lag and inflated death count because of it. (Dreads not being able to go into siege ftl :( ) Netto Celestial Fleet - We care.
SengH	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:53:00 - [107] I'd be scared of a real angel cartel fleet... could you imagine a 80 BS angel cartel fleet with max skilled machariel pilots? ... yikess....
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:55:00 - [108] all issues aside atm i had fun in this event, and i have to praise the Guristas players for absolutely staying true to their role, they did some great roleplaying (mostly in gang chat, some in local) props to that oke got that off my chest, the lamenting can continue now Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:56:00 - [109] Originally by: SengH I'd be scared of a real angel cartel fleet... could you imagine a 80 BS angel cartel fleet with max skilled machariel pilots? ... yikess.... better get them on our side now Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
HordeZla	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Lost Dragon 5/F-E..... IBesides that there is the fact that we have had "reporters" observing our fleet for the past several days. These "reporters" would surely know the time zones that we are mainly active and could therefore coordinate an offensive when we could at least retaliate in kind. First of all....your time zone is not much difference then majority of us. Secondly....we had 170 pilots gang at 19:30 EVE time and numbers went higher and higher over time. With that allready you could assume something will happen (more like it atacking the POS). Or you thought we were just looking for gate/station fights as last few days? But, no...you didnt gather your fleet as high as you would like. It has nothing to do with Event at that time. When guristas came they came with 8-10 dreads. We used only few more i guess. (why bother to take others when we have 300+ gang so those several dreads should be more then enough). I heeard stories about 40 G/Iron dreads...where were they? Or you think guristas would bring extra more in that caise?. So....10 guristas dread at most made you start this whining threads? So think a bit before you post about global picture and not just "OH, mama mia....CCP are in favor to 5 / FE* ------------------------------------------------ With killing of G/Iron who need Sex?
Phonix	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:09:00 - [111] I dont care about the event. CCP just need to work on EVE, not thinking about events. The game is almost unplayable at the moment in large scale pvp. Yet they release capitals ships, so called fixes to the phoon (Nice fix btw). They promote the game for large scale warfare, yet its impossible. When you have to relog every 30 mins to clear the 100% CPU usage I think thats abit more important to fix than the ships. Open a new server using caster, ^^ so we can have large scale pvp without this 5 min module activation time.. Fate Website & Killboard CEO of Fate
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:12:00 - [112] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 23/03/2006 09:12:47 Originally by: Phonix I dont care about the event. CCP just need to work on EVE, not thinking about events. The game is almost unplayable at the moment in large scale pvp. Yet they release capitals ships, so called fixes to the phoon (Nice fix btw). They promote the game for large scale warfare, yet its impossible. When you have to relog every 30 mins to clear the 100% CPU usage I think thats abit more important to fix than the ships. Open a new server using caster, ^^ so we can have large scale pvp without this 5 min module activation time.. the lag as such was oke and the (reinforced) node was able to handle the amount off ppl nicely big problem is their memory leak (which i think you are speaking off), also the inital loading when you warp into a pos is rather bad, not sure why that is the case Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:18:00 - [113] Originally by: SengH I'd be scared of a real angel cartel fleet... could you imagine a 80 BS angel cartel fleet with max skilled machariel pilots? ... yikess.... thats why we napped them lol btw sanshas brought up a pos in our space during one of our events and we lost 2 dreads to it so I think everyone had their troubles with events at some point - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Yzman Shhan	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:19:00 - [114] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Q: What do you think happens when an alliance announces in their alliance channel that theyre gonna be escorting 6 Guristas dreadnaughts? A: Everybody and their mom gears up for combat, duh. Who doesnt want to escort 6 Guristas dreads? If not for the possible reward then for the total awesomeness of 6 guristas dreads. I had no clue that Guristas are joining in on the fun. This was planned before by people maybe in the know of the event, but I assure most of the people had NO idea that Guristas are taking part of the action. Besides I logged before the event, again :\| -- No sig ftw!
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:22:00 - [115] Originally by: Yzman Shhan Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Q: What do you think happens when an alliance announces in their alliance channel that theyre gonna be escorting 6 Guristas dreadnaughts? A: Everybody and their mom gears up for combat, duh. Who doesnt want to escort 6 Guristas dreads? If not for the possible reward then for the total awesomeness of 6 guristas dreads. I had no clue that Guristas are joining in on the fun. This was planned before by people maybe in the know of the event, but I assure most of the people had NO idea that Guristas are taking part of the action. Besides I logged before the event, again :\| So it was an event allmost no one on both sides knew??? Is it then allowed to call it an "event" (in the ISD/Aurora - storytelling - manner)?? /me thinks Aurora has now some serious problems with its credibility _________________________________________ Originally by: Skellibjalla Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. Originally by: Tool - Hush I can't say what I want to,even if I'm not serious.
Xlover	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:22:00 - [116] ok, so 10 dreads now..so which is it? 350 man fleet,300 man fleet, 195 man fleet with few joining.. 3 dreads,5 dreads,up to but not limited to 10.. lol I agree with the fate guy tbh,Can't even fleet battle on a large scale yet they are spawning 10 dreads to take down a player pos..player isk envolved.Again you knew dev's envolved would over shadow anything you did,yet you let it happen.Expect feed back wether psotive or negative plenty of diverse peopel n corps posting tbh.Ten dreads ffs..I hope that the Gurista's enemy goes and helps g n friends own 2-3 of 5/FE pos's in that contested system.For 5/fe trying to help gurista get the space back..oh wait if they took down even 1-3 of your pos's in that system then you wouldn't have soverenty.. but thats not much, just a fleet of 10 dreads to make quick work of those pos's no matter what armies are scrambled.. imo big difference either way... Anyways many more battles to come and fun to be had CCP need to spend time working on game and reinforcing system that have bigger conflict, not just when they roll in for fun.. kinda funneh eh they reinforce the node when theya re around, but can't do it when they know 500+ pilots are through per day. teh X blood radier phinox's 4tpwnage
WildCard	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:37:00 - [117] Ok, FE/5 needs 500 ppl at TS and about 340 in the gang to stand vs 60 G/IRON and friends. Not enough they called for help from the Guristas team. Then they engaged in the middel of the night. Sure, we attacked em agin and again with our small group. At last of course, we aren't able to handel em, and they shoot 3 POS in the reinfored mode. Well all fine for me. Let em be proud about their big deadly high end fleet, we also should be proud members of G/IRON and friends. Guys we enganged with 60ppl a fleet of ~340! Perhaps BOB will also do such things. But FE/5? Never erver. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody--
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:42:00 - [118] Wildcard you really should stop posting when u start to look retarded. It seriously doesnt get better after that. So much missinformation and twist from a hostile ceo just cant be answered in any other way, sorry. I think i made every relevant post on the pages 1-3 so maybe just read up.
Phonix	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:46:00 - [119] Originally by: Kcel Chim Wildcard you really should stop posting when u start to look retarded. It seriously doesnt get better after that. So much missinformation and twist from a hostile ceo just cant be answered in any other way, sorry. I think i made every relevant post on the pages 1-3 so maybe just read up. Huh? Fate Website & Killboard CEO of Fate
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:47:00 - [120] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 23/03/2006 09:47:38 Originally by: WildCard Ok, FE/5 needs 500 ppl at TS and about 340 in the gang to stand vs 60 G/IRON and friends. Not enough they called for help from the Guristas team. Then they engaged in the middel of the night. Sure, we attacked em agin and again with our small group. At last of course, we aren't able to handel em, and they shoot 3 POS in the reinfored mode. Well all fine for me. Let em be proud about their big deadly high end fleet, we also should be proud members of G/IRON and friends. Guys we enganged with 60ppl a fleet of ~340! Perhaps BOB will also do such things. But FE/5? Never erver. @Phonix i was refering to this masterpiece of wit and humor offered by our great G competitors.

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